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Zarlak
Caldari Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 19/01/2007 12:26:12
Originally by: Malachon Draco
But then they can't go about and disabling some of the counterintelligence/security efforts people undertake to stop spies.
Doesnt matter. It has no place in gameplay. Its antisocial and this is why 99% of the playerbase are not in 0.0 and are not in alliances. If anyone tries to join you want screenshots of their brains. Omgz a spy might tell someone about a gate youve been camping for 20 hours straight, you might have to get some sleep! Oh no! Call to arms, a noob corp pilots just went to an empty system we never use 20 jumps away, we need to camp them for 4 hours! Puleaaaaase
considering your employment history is made up of industrial corps, try to join a 0.0 pvp alliance and youll see the damage that can be done by spies, you dont have the same concerns as us when your sat in a belt mining as we do when we have a fleet heading towards enemy space and they find out because theres a spy here, or that were gatecamping for a reason obviously because its boring but has to be done, and the enemy come in from a different gate and we miss them because of spies, or that our titan is compromised because of spies, or our forum talk and secrets and teamspeak information, so grow up before posting things like "its antisocial to be a bit concerned over your alliances assets or theyre operations"
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:49:00 -
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internal forum, teamspeak? do you have a toilet at your computer too? im sorry I probably dont understand since I have a job and dont play 16 hours a day. maybe ill quit my job and start screenshotting my desktop and everyone I meet Ill accuse of being a spy since they obviously care sooo much about spying on me
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Zarlak
Caldari Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Zarlak on 19/01/2007 12:48:22
Originally by: Kate Nexus internal forum, teamspeak? do you have a toilet at your computer too? im sorry I probably dont understand since I have a job and dont play 16 hours a day. maybe ill quit my job and start screenshotting my desktop and everyone I meet Ill accuse of being a spy since they obviously care sooo much about spying on me
why are you posting here? why the hell would i a.) have a toilet at my computer and b.) that have anything to do with every alliance in the game having a forum and using teamspeak, i also have a job aswell ill have you know, congratulations on you having one aswell, desktop screenshots arent asked for, and we havent accused anyone of being a spy its a security measure, for the love of god stop posting random garble on here you know nothing about
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Nexus internal forum, teamspeak? do you have a toilet at your computer too? im sorry I probably dont understand since I have a job and dont play 16 hours a day. maybe ill quit my job and start screenshotting my desktop and everyone I meet Ill accuse of being a spy since they obviously care sooo much about spying on me
Troll.
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zarlak
considering your employment history is made up of industrial corps, try to join a 0.0 pvp alliance and youll see the damage that can be done by spies
thats funny because I thought thats what we were discussing. try to join a paranoid antisocial group of players how? I wonder how many screenshots, references, and identification numbers ill need before they stop twitching and let me in
your circular logic is just brilliant
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ediz Daxx Troll.
you're so observant. want a medal? ill just need your login screen before i can give it to you
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: Ediz Daxx Troll.
you're so observant. want a medal? ill just need your login screen before i can give it to you
Like i said, troll.
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Zarlak
Caldari Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: Zarlak
considering your employment history is made up of industrial corps, try to join a 0.0 pvp alliance and youll see the damage that can be done by spies
thats funny because I thought thats what we were discussing. try to join a paranoid antisocial group of players how? I wonder how many screenshots, references, and identification numbers ill need before they stop twitching and let me in
your circular logic is just brilliant
i think to be honest youd be rejected on attitude anyway, this is my last post directed at you as i dont wish for this thread to be locked either for flaming or arguments, your overexaggerations show how little you know about the subject so for in the interests of everybody who has something constructive to say about the subject and knows something about the issue let them reply on your behalf, also how is a hundreds of players alliance who regularly go on ops with each other antisocial? lolz
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Bawldeux IV
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 19/01/2007 12:53:44
Originally by: Vito Parabellum Huh, this is quite the witchhunt!
This is what I believe; Account names is nothing to be kept secret, the password is the thing that shoulders the responsability of your security.
you go ahead and believe that mr i-am-not-a-security-expert. I handle security for a large network, and you are wrong.
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Compare this with emails where usually the email is also the account name. Inboxes can contain a lot of sensitive information, with more weight than that of a game. An account name can't be more public than this.
true, but that is why my users email address cannot be used to login, nor can thier user name from the address be used, a prefix has to be added to designate which of the domains they belong to, before it will work (another layer of security that ccp cannnot use, thus the rule against sharing the login name...)
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Although having a non-public account name adds to the security it should only be seen as a bonus on top of the security of your very long and random password. If your password is crap, your security is crap.
brute force and dictionary attacks are common because people with no knowledge of security use weak passwords, the same type that think giving out their login name is 'ok'
Three more things; You cannot change account name if it becomes "compromised". There are probably a lot of players with the same account name as character name. And with so many users you can guess account names just by chosing some random words, like arnold, sunflare, apache etc (sorry goes out to those users for revealing their secret accountnames!).
weak argument (and it is one point, not threee), using idiots as an example of why it is ok to passout your account name is as bad as being one of those idiots
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Meh, carry on with the witchhunt :p
you can always post your login name in this thread, if you feel so assured of what you posted already...(didn't think so...)
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kate Nexus on 19/01/2007 12:57:01
Originally by: Zarlak i think to be honest youd be rejected on attitude anyway
I agree. My non-paranoid, logical, and highly social additude just doesn't go with the flow in ba-humbug "its a trap!" land.
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:16:00 -
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Concerning spies...
I honestly don't blame CCP for allowing them. I blame all those people who think that having spies add such a rich new layer to gameplay.
Really, forcing alliances to operate on a need to know basis, where individual pilots cannot be told what they are fighting and risking their ships for is such a great addition to PVP. Not.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 19/01/2007 12:57:01
Originally by: Zarlak i think to be honest youd be rejected on attitude anyway
I agree. My non-paranoid, logical, and highly social additude just doesn't go with the flow in ba-humbug "its a trap!" land.
Hmmm, maybe just maybe you ought to go and live in 0.0 land for a while and experience a few wars to see how serious the issue of spies is.
In anyway, it's a natural reaction to broken game design. Allow only one accout per person and one character per person and the ingame persona could be hold responsible, however due to design issues prevention now starts with the real people behind their characters.
It's easy to steal, it's easy to spy, it's almost impossible to catch either other then through luck. ----------------------------------------------- The BIG Lottery |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/01/2007 13:19:36
Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 19/01/2007 12:57:01
Originally by: Zarlak i think to be honest youd be rejected on attitude anyway
I agree. My non-paranoid, logical, and highly social additude just doesn't go with the flow in ba-humbug "its a trap!" land.
You just don't know the alliance reality in EVE yet.
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: Zarlak
considering your employment history is made up of industrial corps, try to join a 0.0 pvp alliance and youll see the damage that can be done by spies
thats funny because I thought thats what we were discussing. try to join a paranoid antisocial group of players how? I wonder how many screenshots, references, and identification numbers ill need before they stop twitching and let me in
your circular logic is just brilliant
Spies and players, who are brought into another alliance to cause damage like stealing corps and alliance assets, offlining poses etc. are a reality. Many people play this game quite seriously and some use all means they have to get an advantage. That's not just paranoia that's a truth. Maybe you don't read the corps & alliances forum often enough.
Offlining poses by spies are a truth, ask Red Alliance, it was done to them. Stealing capital ships out of the pos by a spy happened, ask us and several others. Infiltrating the teamspeak is a truth, ask ASCN, BoB, LV, us.And several more evil incidents with spies and thieves that people let into their corps.
Some 'brainiacs' even take the game so serious that they'd even start denial-of-service attacks against your TS server, although luckily that's rare, because most people aren't that stupid and know where to stop. Ok, those are not in your corp, but it shows quite clear, how far some people are willing to go. ______________ *need new sig* |
Bawldeux IV
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zarlak
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: Zarlak
considering your employment history is made up of industrial corps, try to join a 0.0 pvp alliance and youll see the damage that can be done by spies
thats funny because I thought thats what we were discussing. try to join a paranoid antisocial group of players how? I st post directed at you as i dont wish for this thread to be locked either for flaming or arguments, your overexaggerations show how little you know about the subject so for in the interests of everybody who has something constructive to say about the subject and knows something about the issue let them reply on your behalf, also how is a hundreds of players alliance who regularly go on ops with each other antisocial? lolz
LV wants eula violating screenshots.
LV can spin it how they want, it is still an eula violation.
LV can be as social as they like internaly, but seem antisocial as heck to anyone on the outside, and as far as I am concerned, are trying to steal accounts based on their demand for login info.
as many mentioned, that login screeny can be faked with ease, and if the spy is worth squat, they would ensure you got a bogus screeny...so what would be the point of asking for the screeny to start with????
paranoid...ya, LV is paranoid.., banned for it, no, just pity them for having ignorance and stupidity running wild through their midst
CCP at fault for allowing spies, allowing the grief tactics some use, and allowing other completely unintended results form game mechanics (exploits)? yes, blame CCP because they are the ones that not only allow it, they encourage it.
...but a solution, one I know is easy to impliment, ccp can work with those who made the mistake and passed their info to the LV (or other 'dee'dee'dee' corps) paranoia machines, and change their login name.
It is a field in a db and is not something that cannot be changed like the PK, which would not be the login name (oh I would hope CCP wouldn't make such a boneheaded mistake like that...), the login name is just in the db for reference...so it CAN be changed with out effecting the PK, which links all things related to the account/charactor... (yes I am a DBA)
hope that helps you understand
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic it's a natural reaction to broken game design.
Normal people don't run around a game paranoid that everyone is going to take their lucky charms. 0.0 alliances are antisocial paranoid people and thats why 99% of the playerbase is in empire. You have to be stupid to screenshot your account info or anything else for a player in a video game. Make the connections and draw your own conclusions.
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zarlak Hopefully to clear confusion
What they did NOT want from him (which WOULD be a UELA violation but isnt of any use to recruiters as my login name could be ilikeprettypinkpanties1988 but my charecter names completely different, this would not help the recruiters at all, that isnt my login name by the way)
http://www.freewebs.com/byrnes/donot.JPG
what they DID want from him for good reasons so they can check if hes a spy or not or has alts in other alliances
http://www.freewebs.com/byrnes/do.JPG
Originally by: Garia666
People shouldn`t get 2 things confused. A screenshot of your characters is something else as a screenshot of you`r acount login name.
Incorrect. I have seen the original thread with chatlog and he very much did violate the EULA. He starts by asking for the screenshot of character screen. When this is provided, he then demands the login screen with drop down box displayed. He further goes on to ask for a Directory snaphot of the guys hard drive.
Read the original thread to which this applies.
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 19/01/2007 13:38:31
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Bawldeux IV
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 19/01/2007 12:57:01
Originally by: Zarlak i think to be honest youd be rejected on attitude anyway
I agree. My non-paranoid, logical, and highly social additude just doesn't go with the flow in ba-humbug "its a trap!" land.
Hmmm, maybe just maybe you ought to go and live in 0.0 land for a while and experience a few wars to see how serious the issue of spies is.
In anyway, it's a natural reaction to broken game design. Allow only one accout per person and one character per person and the ingame persona could be hold responsible, however due to design issues prevention now starts with the real people behind their characters.
It's easy to steal, it's easy to spy, it's almost impossible to catch either other then through luck.
Lived there, fought BoB for well over 3 months daily (mostly good fights, with a few lag fest that sucked for both sides), and know what spies can do...but that does not mean asking for login info should be allowed (you may notice I was on the losing end of that war with BoB).
Spies will be part of the game since ccp allows it, but ccp does not allow the sharing of login info either, so asking for it is not acceptable.
What CCP allows, and what CCP intended have a long history of being in conflict, and the loudest voice has always been those using the exploitive means to gain an advantage, while those vicimized...were mostly silent and just left the game.
How many accounts has CCP lost due to their permissive attitude towards grief and metagaming grief tactics? Has CCP seen how other games handle things of this nature, and pondered if they did the same, would they also have millions of subscribers instead of less then 200k active accounts and only 30kish online? subscribers = $$$$$$$$ in CCP wallets.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: DrAtomic it's a natural reaction to broken game design.
Normal people don't run around a game paranoid that everyone is going to take their lucky charms. 0.0 alliances are antisocial paranoid people and thats why 99% of the playerbase is in empire. You have to be stupid to screenshot your account info or anything else for a player in a video game. Make the connections and draw your own conclusions.
So you don't have any experience on the subject matter and yet you are ready to deal judgement? There is a word for that as well... ----------------------------------------------- The BIG Lottery |
Bawldeux IV
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn30101
Originally by: Zarlak Hopefully to clear confusion
What they did NOT want from him (which WOULD be a UELA violation but isnt of any use to recruiters as my login name could be ilikeprettypinkpanties1988 but my charecter names completely different, this would not help the recruiters at all, that isnt my login name by the way)
http://www.freewebs.com/byrnes/donot.JPG
what they DID want from him for good reasons so they can check if hes a spy or not or has alts in other alliances
http://www.freewebs.com/byrnes/do.JPG
Originally by: Garia666
People shouldn`t get 2 things confused. A screenshot of your characters is something else as a screenshot of you`r acount login name.
Incorrect. I have seen the original thread with chatlog and he very much did violate the EULA. He starts by asking for the screenshot of character screen. When this is provided, he then demands the login screen with drop down box displayed. He further goes on to ask for a Directory snaphot of the guys hard drive.
Read the original thread to which this applies.
I was part of that original thread, and yes, LV DID ASK FOR THE LOGIN INFO.
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Dr CapitalShip
Caldari Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:47:00 -
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Alliances asking for login screenshots and accout screenshots are silly.
Just use the test server to delete "sekrit" alts, and fake a logon name. To be honest - any spy worth their salt will do this anyway.
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Menkaure
Amarr Vanitas Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Menkaure on 19/01/2007 13:50:21
Just sticking my foot in for no apparent reason, I'd like to say that I generally agree that giving people usernames should never be done and LV are in the wrong for asking for it.
However, I'm thinking that this Kate person (among others) is a complete and utter moron and his (her?) attitude towards others is the most repellant thing about this thread (as opposed to a eula violation).
Hell, most 0.0 residents probably have a reason to petition him for harassment due to the comment "0.0 alliances are antisocial paranoid people and thats why 99% of the playerbase is in empire" Thats just damn slander.
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Lyn30101
Incorrect. I have seen the original thread with chatlog and he very much did violate the EULA. He starts by asking for the screenshot of character screen. When this is provided, he then demands the login screen with drop down box displayed. He further goes on to ask for a Directory snaphot of the guys hard drive.
Read the original thread to which this applies.
I was part of that original thread, and yes, LV DID ASK FOR THE LOGIN INFO.
But to be fair he only claimed that others even demand screenshots of harddrives.
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bawldeux
LV can be as social as they like internaly, but seem antisocial as heck to anyone on the outside, and as far as I am concerned, are trying to steal accounts based on their demand for login info.
To accuse people of paranoia is one thing to accuse people of stealing is another one entirely.
Out of order statement to make IMO.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bawldeux IV ASCN victim story...
You seen and felt the damage and wreckage in gamefun that spies do, I find it only naturally that alliance start to do out of game audits as a result as it is about the only thing they can do since the game itself grants them complete immunity.
Morally it shouldnt be like this. However they only try to protect their gameplay experience and that of thousands of others in their alliance; before it is ruined by one or a few rotten souls without any ingame options to weed them out. ----------------------------------------------- The BIG Lottery |
Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn30101 on 19/01/2007 13:54:54
Originally by: Ogul
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Lyn30101
Incorrect. I have seen the original thread with chatlog and he very much did violate the EULA. He starts by asking for the screenshot of character screen. When this is provided, he then demands the login screen with drop down box displayed. He further goes on to ask for a Directory snaphot of the guys hard drive.
Read the original thread to which this applies.
I was part of that original thread, and yes, LV DID ASK FOR THE LOGIN INFO.
But to be fair he only claimed that others even demand screenshots of harddrives.
My apologies, you are correct sir. He asked for character screen, login drop down screen, then claimed other alliances wanted hard drive snapshots. I stand corrected.
This in no way makes what he did ask for appropriate. I'd reccomend LV to fire the recruiter in question to be honest but I somehow doubt they would.
I still am troubled by the Devs unwillingness to step up and tell alliances Do not do this.
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic So you don't have any experience on the subject matter and yet you are ready to deal judgement? There is a word for that as well...
Oh I'm sorry, did you have anything to add to the thread or are you here to look up words in a dictionary? Here do me a favor and look up incompetent then report back to us.
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.19 14:03:00 -
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Bald, the problem is with the amount of alt financeer accounts growing so people can mine for isk in empire to finance their pvp, it takes a lot of subs lost before people will notice a turn in numbers.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.19 14:17:00 -
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Thread cleaned. Please don't flame and don't troll. ___
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.01.19 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn30101 Bald, the problem is with the amount of alt financeer accounts growing so people can mine for isk in empire to finance their pvp, it takes a lot of subs lost before people will notice a turn in numbers.
And by the time they do, EVE will be beyond recovery.
Its a question of morality vs winning.
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