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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.22 18:16:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Tar Kovsky
When ISS offered their help, we were free to accept it -- or not. By accepting it, we also accepted a debt of honor. We chose to be bound that way.
Those slaves you brutally mistreat were never free to make a choice.
I guess when I offer a man to choose between starvation or being enslaved by me, and he agrees to enslavement, he will have chosen to be bound to me and accepted a debt of honor. After all, he was free to refuse.
Furthermore, can I now expect you not to interfere with the fate of such a man, or would you dishonor this man by freeing him and thus making him break his word to me?
I consider myself a good custodian to my slaves. I have not mistreated them as vice-admiral Blake stated. I am generally consider rather 'soft' when it comes to slaves by most of my Amarr brethren. I strive to be a good master even above and beyond the guidelines set up by the SPCS. A benevolent and enlightened master, but a master nonetheless.
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Retromash
Minmatar
Order of the Lamp
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Posted - 2007.01.22 23:44:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Merdaneth
I guess when I offer a man to choose between starvation or being enslaved by me, and he agrees to enslavement, he will have chosen to be bound to me and accepted a debt of honor. After all, he was free to refuse.
I think that to choose between starvation and slavery is a no-brainer. To starve is to die. To choose slavery is to live and hope to be freed.
Debt of honor? There is no honor between a slaver and his captive except that which is in your mind.
If you truly were to be honorable, you'd offer a third choice, and allow the man to go where he chooses. I'm sure you wouldn't even have to pay for transport, and I'm sure swift pickup could be arranged.
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Agrikaan
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.23 16:05:00 -
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There is a lot of talk here about honour, about standing up for your friends and allies over the debt and obligations you have to nation. There is no greater obligation than that to God, state and race. If true honour were to dictate your choices, you would continue to fight for your people, and ignore all other.
It seems the years of enslavement for you was not long enough, you have reverted from what little enlightenment those years gave you.
We, as Amarr, have failed you badly. Fear not, we will try harder to reclaim you so we can tutor you the right way.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.23 22:42:00 -
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Ushra Khan came to the aid of ISS yes. What you fail to realize is ISS considered you better than the alternative, nothing else. This is not how friends and real allies are made. So much talk of honor, and perhaps you have it in some misplaced way, but you were used. The small gestures your momentary companions made on your behalf are as dust upon the cosmic winds.
This obligation you speak of were poorly made at best. Do you think that your friends among the rebels and traitors can hold off determined forces?
It is ironic and sad that you stand now at this precipice for fighting a battle over someone elses cause. It is not to late to accept a meaningful place in a prospering society. Consider that. The other alternative is to die well. One way or another you will be reclaimed.
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Ottom Ephesianos
Amarr
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.25 04:37:00 -
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Psychological attacks against the UshraÆKhanÆs honor and our allies will not work. Take your mudslinging rhetoric to someone who will listen to the poison tipped tongues of Amarr Empyreal sympathizers. When you worship a lie there is nothing else that can come from such forked tongues so do not think our will can be bent in the slightest.
We will see the end of slavery, by blood if you do not yield completely, to the last ship.
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"Trust me I've done this before."
Elite R. Ephesianos
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 12:42:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Retromash
Originally by: Merdaneth
I guess when I offer a man to choose between starvation or being enslaved by me, and he agrees to enslavement, he will have chosen to be bound to me and accepted a debt of honor. After all, he was free to refuse.
I think that to choose between starvation and slavery is a no-brainer. To starve is to die. To choose slavery is to live and hope to be freed.
I agree. But the frequent rallying cry of 'better to die a free man than to live as a slave' is commonly heard in your organization. So I have to assume that some of your people choose differently. The proclamations of your own kin makes my offer a valid one, and refusing or accepting it a valid choice.
Additionally, I consider the choice between believing in God or being a heathen a no-brainer too. But I have learned a long time ago that choices which seem no-brainer to one man, don't seem so to another man. People still got the free will to choose, and suffer the consequences of their choices.
Originally by: Retromash
Debt of honor? There is no honor between a slaver and his captive except that which is in your mind.
Debts of honor cannot be cast aside when it is inconvenient to you, that is the core meaning of the word 'honor': you keep to your agreement even if you don't like the conditions being imposed upon you, keep it if you don't like the are indebted, you keep it when it is much better for you to break it. This is also a choice, you can choose to be either honorable or pragmatic, but not both.
Originally by: Merdaneth
If you truly were to be honorable, you'd offer a third choice, and allow the man to go where he chooses. I'm sure you wouldn't even have to pay for transport, and I'm sure swift pickup could be arranged.
I did. I offered the starving man the opportunity to go where he chooses and try and find sufficient food for him and his family himself. He did not choose that option, he chose to be enslaved. Why? I do not know for sure, but he might have had a previous debt of honor to feed his family. That means he made the only proper moral choice at the time, and would stand a good chance to become enlightened within a generation.
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