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Jennifer Korrupt
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.04 01:54:06 -
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Hi
I'm attempting to get the numbers for how much of each Minnerals I need for a me8 Levithan print. Can anyone point me to where I can get the numbers? |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2016.01.04 02:11:41 -
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I believe Titan, like any other capital ship, produced from capital parts which, based on corresponding blueprint efficiency grant some extra fluctuations. However, industry tab is available for every part. Although, if nothing's changed, trying to build a titan will bring a lot of people on your tea party. |
Mad Vemane
House Atild Heavy Industries United Systems of Aridia
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Posted - 2016.01.04 03:06:02 -
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EVEIPH can get you those numbers |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.01.04 05:14:52 -
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This seems like one of those questions where, if you have to ask, it probably doesn't matter.
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Taunrich Kaufmann
Caldari Executive Mining and Exploration
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Posted - 2016.01.04 13:36:26 -
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Jennifer Korrupt wrote:Hi
I'm attempting to get the numbers for how much of each Minnerals I need for a me8 Levithan print. Can anyone point me to where I can get the numbers?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.01.04 13:46:03 -
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https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprint/
pick the blueprint, hit the Ms next to the components, look in materials for materials, set the MEs for the component blueprints, then you have a list of everything needed.
Woo! CSM X!
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.04 16:49:07 -
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Link in my signature but yeah, if you are asking this then I hope you know all the other factors that go into building a Titan.
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Eitak Utrigas
Hydraxis Industries Stella Nova
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Posted - 2016.01.06 13:24:53 -
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As a side note, is there any program that tells you the optimum Ore required to build stuff as opposed to the minerals? |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.06 14:42:03 -
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Eitak Utrigas wrote:As a side note, is there any program that tells you the optimum Ore required to build stuff as opposed to the minerals? No but it's been on my list for awhile to put into IPH. Maybe I'll work on it this weekend.
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.06 16:09:56 -
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Eitak Utrigas wrote:As a side note, is there any program that tells you the optimum Ore required to build stuff as opposed to the minerals?
Yes, and no it isn't public and no, you can't afford it |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.01.07 08:46:07 -
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Eitak Utrigas wrote:As a side note, is there any program that tells you the optimum Ore required to build stuff as opposed to the minerals?
Define optimum?
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Eitak Utrigas
Hydraxis Industries Stella Nova
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Posted - 2016.01.07 08:59:10 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Eitak Utrigas wrote:As a side note, is there any program that tells you the optimum Ore required to build stuff as opposed to the minerals? Define optimum?
So say for example you want to build a Raven, dread or a Titan (yes there are people outside of PL who can afford these, Kenneth), it would be useful if a program could say the most time efficient way to obtain the required minerals would be to mine x Veldspar, x Mexallon x Scordite etc.
It could also be tailored to the area your in so if you're in highsec you know that you can mine x & y but still need to buy mineral z.
Just a thought really.
It feels like quite a complicated set of calculations.
I was actually thinking about it from when i was new trying to build my first cruiser. Spent ages mining a load of cr@p that I didnt need.
Of course such utilities could be useful in heavy industry. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.07 11:47:11 -
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Eitak Utrigas wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Eitak Utrigas wrote:As a side note, is there any program that tells you the optimum Ore required to build stuff as opposed to the minerals? Define optimum? So say for example you want to build a Raven, dread or a Titan (yes there are people outside of PL who can afford these, Kenneth), it would be useful if a program could say the most time efficient way to obtain the required minerals would be to mine x Veldspar, x Mexallon x Scordite etc. It could also be tailored to the area your in so if you're in highsec you know that you can mine x & y but still need to buy mineral z. Just a thought really. It feels like quite a complicated set of calculations. I was actually thinking about it from when i was new trying to build my first cruiser. Spent ages mining a load of cr@p that I didnt need. Of course such utilities could be useful in heavy industry.
LOL, I didn't mean the Titan
I meant you can't afford the program i use...
It takes the price of ore and compressed ore in jita and calculates the minerals I refine at XX percentage (You can select final refine rate) and then based on price tells me the most effecient way to get to my mineral requirement using pricing from eve central.
Thie way I end up with the most minerals at the least cost. It also doesn't tell me to get 350,000 units of bistot if there are only 1500 for sale as that does you no good, or if only 300 units are on sale in jita for a decent price, it uses those 300, but relies on other ores to make up the difference.
Basically you end up with a CF of a list, but it is by far the most economical way to get the minerals needed with the least amount of leftovers. |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.07 12:44:25 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:LOL, I didn't mean the Titan
I meant you can't afford the program i use...
It takes the price of ore and compressed ore in jita and calculates the minerals I refine at XX percentage (You can select final refine rate) and then based on price tells me the most effecient way to get to my mineral requirement using pricing from eve central.
Thie way I end up with the most minerals at the least cost. It also doesn't tell me to get 350,000 units of bistot if there are only 1500 for sale as that does you no good, or if only 300 units are on sale in jita for a decent price, it uses those 300, but relies on other ores to make up the difference.
Basically you end up with a CF of a list, but it is by far the most economical way to get the minerals needed with the least amount of leftovers.
Now I'm curious, how much ISK would you charge for 5th grade level programming product? |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.07 12:58:59 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:LOL, I didn't mean the Titan
I meant you can't afford the program i use...
It takes the price of ore and compressed ore in jita and calculates the minerals I refine at XX percentage (You can select final refine rate) and then based on price tells me the most effecient way to get to my mineral requirement using pricing from eve central.
Thie way I end up with the most minerals at the least cost. It also doesn't tell me to get 350,000 units of bistot if there are only 1500 for sale as that does you no good, or if only 300 units are on sale in jita for a decent price, it uses those 300, but relies on other ores to make up the difference.
Basically you end up with a CF of a list, but it is by far the most economical way to get the minerals needed with the least amount of leftovers. Now I'm curious, how much ISK would you charge for 5th grade level programming product?
LOL |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.07 13:01:04 -
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No, I'm serious. Answer the question. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.01.07 13:01:06 -
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Well, my ore compression util will tell you the lowest volume way of buying the ore (it'll tell you about the compressed versions, but you can multiply them by 100 for non-compressed) but it's not the cheapest way
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.07 13:33:26 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Well, my ore compression util will tell you the lowest volume way of buying the ore (it'll tell you about the compressed versions, but you can multiply them by 100 for non-compressed) but it's not the cheapest way
It's just a matter of pulling the prices and units available from the API, then it's just a bunch of calculations. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.07 13:44:02 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:No, I'm serious. Answer the question.
I won't even sell it to people in PL
Everything has a price, to a certain extent, this in particular does not |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.07 13:56:54 -
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Fair enough. |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.01.08 06:11:54 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Well, my ore compression util will tell you the lowest volume way of buying the ore (it'll tell you about the compressed versions, but you can multiply them by 100 for non-compressed) but it's not the cheapest way It's just a matter of pulling the prices and units available from the API, then it's just a bunch of calculations.
'just'
I hate people using that word. Because it tends to dramatically undersell the degree of work required.
The common way to solve this kind of problem is either a genetic algorithm, or linear programming. Because you're solving a bunch of equations, with a number of boundaries (price, the quantity available, and so on)
A wee bit harder than it initially sounds.
Woo! CSM X!
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.01.08 21:05:01 -
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Jennifer Korrupt wrote:Hi
I'm attempting to get the numbers for how much of each Minnerals I need for a me8 Levithan print. Can anyone point me to where I can get the numbers?
1. Look at an ME0 BPO on market. 2. Multiply by .92 (1 - (1*.01 per ME level)). 3. Profit?
Fair warning: this does not include any reductions, penalties, taxes, POS fuel, incidental expenses, or job costs associated with your production equipment and location.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.01.08 21:06:57 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Well, my ore compression util will tell you the lowest volume way of buying the ore (it'll tell you about the compressed versions, but you can multiply them by 100 for non-compressed) but it's not the cheapest way It's just a matter of pulling the prices and units available from the API, then it's just a bunch of calculations. 'just' I hate people using that word. Because it tends to dramatically undersell the degree of work required. The common way to solve this kind of problem is either a genetic algorithm, or linear programming. Because you're solving a bunch of equations, with a number of boundaries (price, the quantity available, and so on) A wee bit harder than it initially sounds.
This is no joke. I've been trying to build a compression algorithm for google sheets using their javascript scripting tools. Its hard, yo.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.01.08 22:27:39 -
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Use EvE Isk per hour to find out the mineral requirements relative to your characters skills and the researched BPO levels of the ship and the components.
Then use this super secret bespoke spreadsheet I didn't develop to calculate mineral compression and ore quantities - http://eve-industry.org/highsec-compression/ - or you can use the Fuzzworks one. I would sell it to you for several billion isk but I've found that patronising the plebs on these forums is worth more than any isk a mere mortal could afford. It uses the most common high sec ores as a basis for its calculations but that's fine because nobody on Gods green Earth mines a Titan. You can then open up your EvE client and look at the market history in Jita to see that compressed Palgioclase and Pyroxeres are the traditional choke points to buying compressed ore in volume. If the link doesn't work try typing 'ore compression calculator eve' into Google.
I then developed my own Excel spreadsheet to give me the price of the things based on current prices in Jita. Then its just a simple matter of getting a bit of money, building your POS in sovereign null, making sure it isn't reinforced every single day and cranking out those Titan babies like nobodies business. Enjoy. |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.09 00:55:48 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:'just'
I hate people using that word. Because it tends to dramatically undersell the degree of work required.
The common way to solve this kind of problem is either a genetic algorithm, or linear programming. Because you're solving a bunch of equations, with a number of boundaries (price, the quantity available, and so on)
A wee bit harder than it initially sounds.
If by 'degree of work required' you mean typing out the code, that's just typing out the code. Sure, it takes time, but you'll get there. Eventually. The hard part is working out the structure of what you need to do, as usual. That's where most people get stuck. |
Kyra Lee
Ixian Machines TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.09 04:03:54 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:'just'
I hate people using that word. Because it tends to dramatically undersell the degree of work required.
The common way to solve this kind of problem is either a genetic algorithm, or linear programming. Because you're solving a bunch of equations, with a number of boundaries (price, the quantity available, and so on)
A wee bit harder than it initially sounds. Aww come on Steve we all know you "just" made a website wit a couple of tools in it. How hard could that have been? ;) I for one am glad that a few of you have put the time and effort into making the awesome tools you have. Please keep up the great work!
As for the answer to OP's question. I went to eve-cost.eu to figure up the mineral requirements for an ME 8 Leviathan run with ME10 component BPs.
Trit - 3333363083 Pyer - 812489008 Mex - 277600724 Iso - 49209735 Nocx - 13666193 Zydrine - 4930033 Mega - 2449828
I then plugged that into Fuzzwork's compression calculator with max refine skills and got:
Module Type QuantityVolume Compressed Bistot 49 299.39 Compressed Crokite 13540105747.4 Compressed Hemorphite 10238916382.24 Compressed Omber 60257442180.18 Compressed Spodumain 54581873296 Compressed Plagioclase 3001818450272.7 Compressed Scordite 3 0.57 Compressed Veldspar 2476902371535.3
It's rough but it works. If you want something better you may have to build it yourself or buy it from that PL guy :) |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.09 08:15:03 -
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Some of us happen to enjoy programming and can "just" make themselves tools as needed. I've been updating my capital production thing for over two years now, for example. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.01.09 16:28:29 -
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No, I don't mean typing out the code.
Working out the logic behind it can be a pain in the ass. In this case, those calculations.
In this case, you're solving with two levels of constraints. You've got your target minerals which you want to hit, but probably not be too much over (how you define too much is always going to be interesting. probably on an ore by ore basis.) Then you have the ore that's actually available on the market for a reasonable price (again, defining reasonable is interesting)
It's not an exceptionally hard project. But you still have to find a suitable library to handle the linear programming, or genetic algorithm for solving it, get to grips with it, then feed in the numbers, working out your definitions of 'not too much' and 'reasonable price'
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.09 16:30:23 -
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Figuring out how to do it is what makes it fun really. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.01.09 16:36:31 -
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I know it's why I do it.
But it being fun, doesn't make it 'just'
Woo! CSM X!
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