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LordInvisible
Nova Ardour Mafia Horde
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Posted - 2016.01.11 08:12:38 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:There's nothing wrong with liking pvp for the sake of pvp. But that's not what the OP is talking about, he;s asking if there is any "pvp for greater purposes" going on, and the answer is "not as much as before".
I remember being a member of a corp in Atlas when we took Omist from the Russians. It was poor space, but it was space. Because it was poor space we (with the help of our friends Red.Overlord, BoB and others) took Insmother, then Detorid to give us access to more resources. And we held them (by the skin of our teech sometimes) while we used to wealth to build up. It culminated with us kicking Red Alliance out of C-J6, their 'ancestral home' as far as the game was concerned.
THAT was meaningful pvp. By winning battles, we ended up with better space to rat, explore and mine in, meaning we could then do MORE stuff than we did before we took that space...
Now?
Now there is no need to do that. Just get an alt and run some incusions/FW missions/highsec lvl 4s whatever and use that isk to buy ships you don't care about to throw at other people with ships they don't care about and try to smile while you're doing it. Great if you are into pvp for the shear pleasure of watching someone else lose something, but not so great if you want your gameplay to actually have an impact on your individual status and enjoyment of the game later on.
For me there is still some 'meaningful pvp' when I get into a defense fleet and kill the raiders who are trying to kill my mates who are mining. Killing those neutrals lets me get back to PVEing as well. But it's a mere shadow of what it used to be. Fortunately for me I'm mainly in it for the PVE, but the decline of actually meaningful pvp in EVE is a real loss for this game.
Very nicely written, since I'm also from that era..
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1094
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Posted - 2016.01.11 09:27:15 -
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yes its been always like that.
aside of the fact that noone wants to fight bunch of interceptors in Interceptors Online like it is now. |
LordInvisible
Nova Ardour Mafia Horde
21
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Posted - 2016.01.11 09:40:07 -
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Interceptors supported by frig logis and ECM.. |
Thorian Baalnorn
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.11 14:44:37 -
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LordInvisible wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:There's nothing wrong with liking pvp for the sake of pvp. But that's not what the OP is talking about, he;s asking if there is any "pvp for greater purposes" going on, and the answer is "not as much as before".
I remember being a member of a corp in Atlas when we took Omist from the Russians. It was poor space, but it was space. Because it was poor space we (with the help of our friends Red.Overlord, BoB and others) took Insmother, then Detorid to give us access to more resources. And we held them (by the skin of our teech sometimes) while we used to wealth to build up. It culminated with us kicking Red Alliance out of C-J6, their 'ancestral home' as far as the game was concerned.
THAT was meaningful pvp. By winning battles, we ended up with better space to rat, explore and mine in, meaning we could then do MORE stuff than we did before we took that space...
Now?
Now there is no need to do that. Just get an alt and run some incusions/FW missions/highsec lvl 4s whatever and use that isk to buy ships you don't care about to throw at other people with ships they don't care about and try to smile while you're doing it. Great if you are into pvp for the shear pleasure of watching someone else lose something, but not so great if you want your gameplay to actually have an impact on your individual status and enjoyment of the game later on.
For me there is still some 'meaningful pvp' when I get into a defense fleet and kill the raiders who are trying to kill my mates who are mining. Killing those neutrals lets me get back to PVEing as well. But it's a mere shadow of what it used to be. Fortunately for me I'm mainly in it for the PVE, but the decline of actually meaningful pvp in EVE is a real loss for this game. Very nicely written, since I'm also from that era..
I too am from that era and i was in atlas during the fall. I feel like that was the end of an era in eve. Not the fall of atlas but that time period in general. CCP was trying to combat major alliances holding several regions. Trying to get us to take only what we need rather than own half the map. Atlas at the time had pretty close to 5 regions. its a ridiculous amount of space for an alliance.
Then the game changed, CCP tried to get alliances to confine their empires to what they needed rather than own 20 meh systems to get 5 really good systems. Renters started to become pretty common and now it seems like everyone is renting.
A lot of people blame the change on alliances like PL,NC, Goons. They take space just because they can and then rent it out and use the money to fund their campaign.
The way things use to be is you would have an alliance that was both indy and pvp/combat. Some corps were combat mostly and others were mostly indy. The indy corps supported the combat corps and the combat corps provided a local market for the indy corps.
But then something changed. PVP corps got tired of indy corps " not contributing" in battle and indy corps got tired of constantly trying to be forced to defend their space. So they spilt. Alliances are now almost either exclusively pvp or exclusively PVE. The PVPers dont really do much but rat and run sites in their space. And the indy peeps have no desire to defend their space or get a CTA together. They rather just wait it out in the dock until the aggressors get bored and go home.
I am old school when it comes to null. I feel like everyone should earn a right to be there and not just be able to pay their way in. I remember when i was young and running around high sec with my corp. We had a desire to hold null space some day. We would recruit people with the same desire, participated in wars for practice and did roams in low sec to practice gang and fleet ops. Even our indy guys would fly in the gangs. They werent very good at combat and had marginal combat skills so we would put them in medium to long range fits and tell them to just point and shoot and run from enemy ships. We did the tackle and ewar, they just did support.
Those days are gone. Its been replaced with this borefest of pvp alliances taking space all the time and then renting it out to carebears. No one earns their space anymore they just rent it. And those who take space, dont take it cause they need it, they take it just for lols. They dont use the space they take.
CCP tries to keep their interference in the game minimal letting the players dictate much of what goes on inside of eve. They give us nudges sometimes in the direction they would like things to go. But we are stubborn and we often find a way around it... like when they introduced TCUs and such and made systems upgradable . But really what we need is the heavy hand of the EVE gods to smack us around a bit. We need something heavy handed to put things back the way they use to be. Where alliances used the space the took and defended the space they owned. Where you earn your place in null not buy your way in.
Null is suppose to be a reward for higher risk and more work. Now its a carebear fest managed by a few dictators on power trips. Everyone stopped playing Eve and started playing " Overlord: Renter's Edition" |
Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn
404
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Posted - 2016.01.11 15:52:48 -
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While I do agree with the sentiments voiced in the above post, I have to say that the current situation with EVE was inevitable once people worked out how to make real money from the game.
Yes, CCP ban RMT'rs however it's still going on. We know it, and CCP knows it.
Further; as a species we are actually risk averse. Note I say , as a species. Individuals vary in their tolerance for risk, but once grouped together we fort up.
So how do we make money and stay safe? we group together in ever larger groupings, assimilating the small fry, NAPping or Nipping the ones we cant swallow up, and Invading where we sense weakness. This works for most of the eve population, however the barbarians amongst us lament their confinement in guilded cages, wishing for the halcyon days of carnage and mayhem spreading across all of known space.
Civilisation. Its creeping influence has reached EVE. Short of some form of mutually assured destruction being embraced by the big boys, oh and RMT becoming impossible, the current slide into bland and risk free gameplay will continue.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3291
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Posted - 2016.01.21 10:11:45 -
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Boredom, profit, revenge? To show them who's the boss?
You people think too much.
We need more emotion driven narrative.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17136
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Posted - 2016.01.21 12:24:19 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote: Clearly, EWAR and logi make combat more complicated than you would prefer it to be.
In terms of logi they make killing the enemy impossible past a point. These days you wither can break the logi or you dont undock
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17136
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Posted - 2016.01.21 12:32:22 -
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welp
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7485
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Posted - 2016.01.21 13:10:30 -
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Logging on is my incentive to PVP. Because PVP is why I'm playing this PVP game.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7485
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Posted - 2016.01.21 13:11:27 -
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That's what she said.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc.
1169
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Posted - 2016.01.21 13:11:49 -
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Amarrchecko wrote: Did Eve ever have a bunch of PVP where people fought because their home was on the line
Come to wormhole space. Evictions don't happen all that often any more, but they still happen. Some people roll over and just give up and move **** out. Others actually fight for their home.
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
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