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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.07 17:13:29 -
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I was just looking at some modules and noticed that ECM jammers now have a strength of 3, huh ???
Considering that even a cruiser has a sensor strength of 16, you would need 6 matched racial jammers to jam it.
Even with bonuses it would appear to be difficult to jam anything bigger than a cruiser and you would have to basically gimp the jammer ship by having large number of mid slots fitted with jammers just to deal with a single cruiser. So that would mean no shield boosters, no scram, no web, no other defensive modules, just jammers and jammer support. That would appear to make ECM more or less infeasible, except maybe in a specialized fleet situation or something.
Is that the intention, or am I missing something? |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2016.01.07 17:38:19 -
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Yes, that is an intention. So you started to learn skills. So you started to fit strength enhancing modules, leaving no space for a tank. So you started to use ships that actually got bonuses to it. So you started to use actually trained chars for the job.
And ECM ship is a primary still. So, definitely not useless. |
Arla Sarain
726
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Posted - 2016.01.07 18:12:53 -
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Droidster wrote:I was just looking at some modules and noticed that ECM jammers now have a strength of 3, huh ???
Considering that even a cruiser has a sensor strength of 16, you would need 6 matched racial jammers to jam it.
Even with bonuses it would appear to be difficult to jam anything bigger than a cruiser and you would have to basically gimp the jammer ship by having large number of mid slots fitted with jammers just to deal with a single cruiser. So that would mean no shield boosters, no scram, no web, no other defensive modules, just jammers and jammer support. That would appear to make ECM more or less infeasible, except maybe in a specialized fleet situation or something.
Is that the intention, or am I missing something? Rather than revisiting and revamping ECM, they did that. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2016.01.07 19:20:03 -
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Droidster wrote:I was just looking at some modules and noticed that ECM jammers now have a strength of 3, huh ???
Considering that even a cruiser has a sensor strength of 16, you would need 6 matched racial jammers to jam it.
You have misunderstood jamming.
If you attack another ship and you activate your jamming module against that ship you get a % chance to jam the target taking into account your jammer's strength, distance to target for optimal and falloff calculations and the targets sensor strength. This % chance is a dice rolled at each jammer cycle, so you can jam a target will 1000 sensor strength with your 3 jammer strength. The jam will last for one jammer cycle then the dice is rolled again for the next cycle.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10090
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Posted - 2016.01.07 21:57:38 -
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Because of FALCON
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Kiddoomer
Deep Space Exploitation Federal United Battalion of Armed Renegades
84
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Posted - 2016.01.07 23:46:12 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Because of ROOK
Fixed
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Smendrik Von'Smendle
Nutt 2 Butt
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Posted - 2016.01.10 22:04:29 -
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I just watched a kitsune perma-jam a battleship with a minmatar specific jammer........if anything ECM seems broken |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2016.01.10 22:10:44 -
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Smendrik Von'Smendle wrote:I just watched a kitsune perma-jam a battleship with a minmatar specific jammer........if anything ECM seems broken Was it a minmatar battleship?
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
837
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Posted - 2016.01.10 22:20:24 -
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ECM is in a good place right now, jammers that are unbonused only really work when used en mass on frigates with the proper racial jam. Unbonused jams even with info links don't do too much to larger ships, aside from ECM drones. Which tend to work thru sheer volume of jams being applied.
With info links and a dedicated jamming ship they can generally take a few ships out of the fight on the enemy side, just like damps and TDs also both can. The primary difference is psychological. The only ewar that could possibly use a buff is target painters and imo they need to cut them in half and triple the bonuses to dedicated paint ships. Tl;dr ECM is fine.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.01.10 23:46:43 -
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Droidster wrote:I was just looking at some modules and noticed that ECM jammers now have a strength of 3, huh ???
Considering that even a cruiser has a sensor strength of 16, you would need 6 matched racial jammers to jam it.
Even with bonuses it would appear to be difficult to jam anything bigger than a cruiser and you would have to basically gimp the jammer ship by having large number of mid slots fitted with jammers just to deal with a single cruiser. So that would mean no shield boosters, no scram, no web, no other defensive modules, just jammers and jammer support. That would appear to make ECM more or less infeasible, except maybe in a specialized fleet situation or something.
Is that the intention, or am I missing something?
Uh... sounds like you're missing just about everything there is to know about how ECM works.
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