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Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.23 12:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Ander Why 10 carriers? Wouldn't it be more useful and less costful to use 10 or 15 nanophoons/nanodoms orbiting at say.. 20km. Fitted with: 3 heavy nos to keep cap up indefinately to use 2-3 heavy neuts aswell. Using teh carrier-fleet is a tactical mistake if there're more standing by outside. At the moment, carriers are pretty much expensive papier machT with a bit of damage. Since it's not possible to web one.. the question being, will dreads track a moving titan? You cant bump a titan or a mothership with a battleship, it has zero effect. I even expect the carrier bumping to have a verry low effect. And if i got orbitted by 20 nano battleships, i would consider firing my DD. But to lemond, A titan is like a mobile station, it can hold what, 50(?) battleships in its corp hangars. If it comes under attack from your fleet, he will just get people to jumpclone to him. Dock in the battleships, and blow up those carriers. Or he opens the jump portal and gets a fleet over there. The above scenario requires a pilot in a 1 man corp Or if he cant get a fleet in he just cyno's out if he smells trouble. Seriously, killing a mothership or a titan is not something that can be written down in a forum post. It requires luck, and the ability to set the situation to your hand. It all happens in a zip of a second, you better hope your fleet commander is able to react fast enough. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
Asestorian Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.23 12:56:00 - [32] Edited by: Asestorian on 23/01/2007 12:52:41 edit: nevermind forgot about second page --- ---

LeMonde	Posted - 2007.01.23 13:10:00 - [33] Originally by: Ander Originally by: LeMonde I guess you can call this 'LeMonde's how to kill a titan with 20 people" Why 10 carriers? Wouldn't it be more useful and less costful to use 10 or 15 nanophoons/nanodoms orbiting at say.. 20km. Fitted with: 3 heavy nos to keep cap up indefinately to use 2-3 heavy neuts aswell. Using teh carrier-fleet is a tactical mistake if there're more standing by outside. At the moment, carriers are pretty much expensive papier machT with a bit of damage. Since it's not possible to web one.. the question being, will dreads track a moving titan? The reasons for using carriers is that 1) They can survive a titan superweapon. 2) They can tank the titans drones/guns easier than speed ships, which can be countered with a web. Also, like somebody pointed out, speed ships have a much harder time bumping a titan than Naglfars do. Will dreads track a titan? Never tried it, but I would think so. Either way, when the titan is out of cap it will go down sooner or later. My post assumed that the titan would have no backup and would simply try to escape. Of course it's not realistic to put this in practice, since if you were trying it for real there would be dozens of varables to consider, just as with any PVP situation.

Critta Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2007.01.23 14:46:00 - [34] Edited by: Critta on 23/01/2007 14:53:16 Edited by: Critta on 23/01/2007 14:50:37 Just a thought for stopping the titan from warping off... Could you not use a mothership with a cloning vat, and ready fitted interdictors in the corporate hangar array? That way you could just clone jump in a few suicidal interdictor pilots after he fires the DD weapon, and drop bubbles on him until you can get a large bubble up? That's still unlikely to help you if the titan pilot has got a cyno lit for a quick getaway though... EDIT: To avoid double post: Originally by: LeMonde The best way of doing this is by using energy neutralizers. I would begin by selecting ten carriers, Thanatos or Archon preferably. Each one fitted with five heavy energy neutralizers, a full bay of heavy energy neutralizer drones and fighter drones. The carriers would use their med slots for cap rechargers and lows for a duel rep armor tank. The carriers should have no problems nuking the targets cap in roughly one minute. Heavy drones for backup if the titan decides to blow its superweapon potentially killing fighters. Ok, so in that minute that you're trying to kill his cap, would he not just jump out?
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.23 15:00:00 - [35] nanonaglfars... i'm not sure if lemonde is being serious or this is his silly way of telling people not to bother. GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :(
Ilya Murametz Caldari Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.01.23 15:44:00 - [36] Edited by: Ilya Murametz on 23/01/2007 15:41:27 So... let see this, nanaphoonies and bumpage seems like a normal thing to do now adays .... I know this tactics works, hell we even used it the other day to get a certain carrier playin dock/undock game at NPC station (another stupid eve "feature" by the way). But really, i know this is not real life and it's silly to compare, but dont we have to draw a line somewhere... Things hitting other things in space at high rate of speed to prevent them from doing their thing... LOLOLOL come on ..DEVs.. You gotta be ****ting me...
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.23 15:46:00 - [37] With a competent Titan pilot, it's impossible. The combination of EW immunity, remote DD activation and DDs destroying, well, everything causes it. A minute to kill it's cap? It needs maybe 30 seconds to login its cyno alt, assuming its not already logged in. Assuming it doesnt just jump out the moment it sees a cyno next to it. Or after it sees the dozens of carriers. Or sees his cap drop rapidly. Or... So yea, get yours today. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com -Ivan K Stay out of my sig, it's not funny.
Imperil Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.23 15:47:00 - [38] NanoDreads? Are you ******* serious? Dictor bubbles will not work. Officer Smartbombs > Dictor bubbles. Same applies to any heavy drone, fighter and ship near it. A realistic way would be to DDOS the target and drop cargo containers in its way... LOOK, I JUST DID A LEMONDE! Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW!
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.23 15:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Elve Sorrow With a competent Titan pilot, it's impossible. The combination of EW immunity, remote DD activation and DDs destroying, well, everything causes it. A minute to kill it's cap? It needs maybe 30 seconds to login its cyno alt, assuming its not already logged in. Assuming it doesnt just jump out the moment it sees a cyno next to it. Or after it sees the dozens of carriers. Or sees his cap drop rapidly. Or... So yea, get yours today. I'd like to see a dev respond to this. Because I agree with Elve 100%. As it stands now, titans don't even need support. You can run around in a titan SOLO and have no threat of getting killed. I realize they are very difficult to build, but everything must have a vulnerability. Even titans. Shamis
Neslo Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.23 15:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Elve Sorrow With a competent Titan pilot, it's impossible. The combination of EW immunity, remote DD activation and DDs destroying, well, everything causes it. A minute to kill it's cap? It needs maybe 30 seconds to login its cyno alt, assuming its not already logged in. Assuming it doesnt just jump out the moment it sees a cyno next to it. Or after it sees the dozens of carriers. Or sees his cap drop rapidly. Or... So yea, get yours today. I'd like to see a dev respond to this. Because I agree with Elve 100%. As it stands now, titans don't even need support. You can run around in a titan SOLO and have no threat of getting killed. I realize they are very difficult to build, but everything must have a vulnerability. Even titans. Shamis Well I did hear that titans do have this one exhaust port... that if you fly a wing of kestrels down in groups of three... they might be able to destroy it with a cruise missle. From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....

Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.23 15:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Elve Sorrow With a competent Titan pilot, it's impossible. The combination of EW immunity, remote DD activation and DDs destroying, well, everything causes it. A minute to kill it's cap? It needs maybe 30 seconds to login its cyno alt, assuming its not already logged in. Assuming it doesnt just jump out the moment it sees a cyno next to it. Or after it sees the dozens of carriers. Or sees his cap drop rapidly. Or... So yea, get yours today. I'd like to see a dev respond to this. Because I agree with Elve 100%. As it stands now, titans don't even need support. You can run around in a titan SOLO and have no threat of getting killed. I realize they are very difficult to build, but everything must have a vulnerability. Even titans. Shamis Would you be happy if they could be killed, but that the effort to kill one would be the same effort put in to build one? Otherwise time will pass, they will be killed, and no one will find the will to build more. ----
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.23 16:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Neslo Well I did hear that titans do have this one exhaust port... that if you fly a wing of kestrels down in groups of three... they might be able to destroy it with a cruise missle. Would be funny if it didn't get posted in every titan thread this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.23 16:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Zhalakin Even worse, why can capital ships get stuck on drones? That's similar to a funny little problem in City of Heroes. In that game you play a super hero that can fly! Yet, a 6" street curb would bring you to a standstill unless you hopped over it. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C	Posted - 2007.01.23 16:48:00 - [44] Everyone that is saying "Battleships, HACs, ETC" in this thread just doesn't get it. You need a LOT of capital ships, some luck, and some serious capacitor draining ability. Merc Blog
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.23 16:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Saladin Would you be happy if they could be killed, but that the effort to kill one would be the same effort put in to build one? Otherwise time will pass, they will be killed, and no one will find the will to build more. So you think its good to have an invulnerable ship in the game? Perhaps they should release polaris frigates too?
Ayeina Tarn	Posted - 2007.01.23 16:57:00 - [46] IIRC, you do it by waiting for a Titan to log while aggroed, then probe him out.
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.23 17:01:00 - [47] The whole bumping thing is a bit silly, tbh. Maybe make it a server-conscious command ("ram" or whatever) that damages both ships involved relatively to their sizes, and make the regular bumping have no effect on ship alignment... dunno --; re: the original issue, capital interdictors could be nice solution. Like dreadnaughts, but when go in 'siege mode' they generate something like 100 km bubble around them, where warping and jumping does not work for anyone. Lethal for both sides so would require some good judgement when to deploy etc...
Klak Caldari Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.23 17:03:00 - [48] Originally by: j0sephine re: the original issue, capital interdictors could be nice solution. Like dreadnaughts, but when go in 'siege mode' they generate something like 100 km bubble around them, where warping and jumping does not work for anyone. Lethal for both sides so would require some good judgement when to deploy etc... Word. Grand Admiral Thrawn would like this idea too. ;)
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.23 17:04:00 - [49] Originally by: LeMonde Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 23/01/2007 12:03:06 Originally by: ElCoCo So you're confirming that it's intended to be able to jump out of a dictor or mobile bubble and that bumping ships to score an otherwise impossible kill is allowed? Very important question indeed... And I think Titan shouldn't be able to use their doomdays remotely, and carrier shouldn't be able to assign their fighters to a frig while they sit safely inside a POS. One of Tuxford's goals is to bring capital ships in the front line, right? These questions are ones you're going to have to ask Tuxford. I was just responding to the OP So instead of us asking Tuxford in some magical way besides doing it here, you should, I dunno.... nudge him and ask? But I guess working in the public sector does that to you...err no wait.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.23 17:10:00 - [50] One thing that I think would make a huge difference is making the doomsday device use a fixed % of your cap, say 50%. this would mean that no titan could jump right after doomsdaying. Oh, and for this hypothetical titan kill scenario, you can assume that the titan pilot won't log out...because we all know that repeatedly logging a titan out and in would keep him safe forever. Don't worry though, I'm sure the eve community is above such a thing... Shamis

Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.01.23 17:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Elve Sorrow With a competent Titan pilot, it's impossible. The combination of EW immunity, remote DD activation and DDs destroying, well, everything causes it. A minute to kill it's cap? It needs maybe 30 seconds to login its cyno alt, assuming its not already logged in. Assuming it doesnt just jump out the moment it sees a cyno next to it. Or after it sees the dozens of carriers. Or sees his cap drop rapidly. Or... So yea, get yours today. You need to hit it with the cap drain just after it has fired it's doomsday weapon - no Cap = No Jump + no more DD for and hour Would need good timing and advance notice of Titans wherabouts though
Sagnius Amarr Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2007.01.23 17:37:00 - [52] you know, you could allways try and catch it when it cynos in? if its the same as dreads and carriers, he will be jumping in with like 25% cap left cant jump out until its over 75% or whatever, and killing that 25% cap using that dev doods method might just be viable IE, to kill a titan, you have to bait him in? dunno, random thoughts
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2007.01.23 17:41:00 - [53] Nano Bs do not have wha tit takes to bump a titans mass. Nano dread is stupid. Your need a large number of dreads for the damage, i wud say above 30 to take it down at a good pace, and a plethera of neut ships, your fleet would need to be comprised of at least 100 pilots. or, u can kill the titan when it logs with its aggression timer still on LOL --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.23 17:59:00 - [54] Edited by: Crellion on 23/01/2007 17:56:26 Originally by: Klak Originally by: j0sephine re: the original issue, capital interdictors could be nice solution. Like dreadnaughts, but when go in 'siege mode' they generate something like 100 km bubble around them, where warping and jumping does not work for anyone. Lethal for both sides so would require some good judgement when to deploy etc... Word. Grand Admiral Thrawn would like this idea too. ;) Signed. A new command ship based on the tier2 BS of its race. Requires lvl 5 tackling skills, costs 200 mill, has 1 med slot (speed mod), uber tank of Doom, can fit 7 frig sized wapons and 1 Gravitational Interdictor launcher. Gravitational Intedictor uses, well, gravity [so is not classed as EW], has so huge fittings that it can be used only on: (a) the new ship due to 99% bonuses to fitting and (b) Capital ships but only if you reduce their ability to fit tanking mods to sillyness (for example where a Dread has to make do with Dual LarII to fit 1)... Effects of GI: A Medium warp bubble that also catches Titans - Motherships and -60% speed to all ships within same range. (Might want to add: does not effect the warp drives of non-capital ships.) Win \o/ Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.23 18:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Klak Originally by: j0sephine re: the original issue, capital interdictors could be nice solution. Like dreadnaughts, but when go in 'siege mode' they generate something like 100 km bubble around them, where warping and jumping does not work for anyone. Lethal for both sides so would require some good judgement when to deploy etc... Word. Grand Admiral Thrawn would like this idea too. ;) Didn't seem to work out to well for him in the end though. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
31i73 BGG	Posted - 2007.01.23 18:20:00 - [56] Originally by: LeMonde Two cloak/cyno ships to get your fleet in there. I thought there are no Cloaking/cynoing ships in game?
Szprinkoth Sponsz ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.23 18:32:00 - [57] Originally by: 31i73 Originally by: LeMonde Two cloak/cyno ships to get your fleet in there. I thought there are no Cloaking/cynoing ships in game? Fixed in next patch or something like that if I recall the dev blogs correctly.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.23 18:34:00 - [58] what if we had a badger filled to the brim with small secure containers full of bookmarks and jettison everything next to the titan thats much more likely to kill a titan then all the nanonaglfars in the world. GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :(
31i73 BGG	Posted - 2007.01.23 18:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Fixed in next patch or something like that if I recall the dev blogs correctly. omg, You believe that really?
Black Torment Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2007.01.23 18:49:00 - [60] The simple answer is Titans are not, and will never be killable without accidents or divine intervention. The problem here is everyone's talking about making it MORE vulnerable. The current issue is no titan pilot in his right mind is gonna put 10s of billions of isk in a gankable situation. Removing some of their immunity is going to enforce that even more. Making doomsdays non-remote activated is removing another use for them so less will get built and used in the first place. Remember, it's not meant to perform like an uber pvp ship, its just a big **** :) The ONLY way you can kill a Titan by force is to rip down the POS of whoever owns it. All of them, every last one. Cripple the alliance completely. Titans can't dock, can't go to lowsec, so unless they want to have that character perma logged or perma safespotted making the Titan useless anyway, you can kill it :)

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