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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.01.10 17:04:05 -
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I know this old, redundant and whet ever you call it.
But it's the only right thing to do, Playing with plex price to make Trilions on jacking up the prices and using the items as investment is not healthy for the game at all.
People buy less plex because they get more isk for it, people hoard draging the volume on the market to bottom and than jacking up the prices.
It's an ever ending cycle that is not good for CCP and casual players in the long run.
The Right solution for this impasse is to make let the item to be sold on the market only once. You can still tarde, contract or donate it.
But having plex trade hands only once will kill the market price manipulation and bring the plex to it's real value.
PLEX is not an regualr item that you can farm from ded sites or anoms, mine it your self or what ever when the market get scamed. It's a Metagame items that is brought to the game by spending real $.
Having that is mind it's insane to treat it as regual in game item and let people scam the shi* out of it. Because there is no way to inject big enough bulk that the Jita traders can't consume and that put fraction of if back on market for much more isk.
And saying that Market wariors are driving the price to it's real value; it's crazy talk and you know it .... it's no real price if there is no competition.
Don't let Few trilionares scam player base. Regulate Plex market by making it tradable on market only once. It will force people to get rid of theire stock and the price will drop, and no one will jack it up again because it will be immposible to do so.
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Iain Cariaba
2324
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Posted - 2016.01.10 17:08:27 -
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Reported for redundancy and ranting.
If you don't like how much it costs to PLEX your account, then pay the US$15 subscription fee.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Decarthado Aurgnet
Imperial Combat Engineers Empire of Arcadia
37
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Posted - 2016.01.10 18:18:56 -
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You realize what you're asking is kind of a big technical hurdle, yes? So far as I know, there's no current way where metadata can be attached to stackable items in such a way that each individual item can be uniquely tracked. If that were doable at this time, then we'd have things like logos on ships showing which corporation manufactured them.
With all due respect ... CCP has said they're not doing things like this. If you still feel like asking for it, then present undeniable world-ending evidence for why it needs to be done right meow and maybe their financial analysts will listen to you.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1469
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Posted - 2016.01.10 19:33:20 -
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Quote:But it's the only right thing to do, Playing with plex price to make Trilions on jacking up the prices and using the items as investment is not healthy for the game at all.
Why do you think making broad sweeping statements with no evidence, or even a vague attempt to support those statements, makes for a compelling argument?
Why should your post not be ignored, or even ridiculed, as the unhinged ravings of someone who failed econ 101?
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
531
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Posted - 2016.01.10 19:53:44 -
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Decarthado Aurgnet wrote:You realize what you're asking is kind of a big technical hurdle, yes? So far as I know, there's no current way where metadata can be attached to stackable items in such a way that each individual item can be uniquely tracked. If that were doable at this time, then we'd have things like logos on ships showing which corporation manufactured them.
The easy solution would be to create a 2nd version of a PLEX and the 2nd one is unable to be put on the market, and when you purchase the current version, you get the new version. Just playing devil's advocate though.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2967
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Posted - 2016.01.10 19:59:19 -
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people are buying more plex than ever before, BECAUSE they get so much isk for it.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1094
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Posted - 2016.01.10 20:17:33 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:People buy less plex because they get more isk for it... I'm not sure how to interpret OP's thought...
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4095
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Posted - 2016.01.10 20:51:11 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Regulate Plex market by making it tradable on market only once. It will force people to get rid of theire stock and the price will drop, and no one will jack it up again because it will be immposible to do so.
This will massibley reduce the amount of PLEX on the market, right?
Therefore reducing supply, while doing nothing about demand.
Therefore jacking the price HIGHER... |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
173
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Posted - 2016.01.10 21:28:09 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Regulate Plex market by making it tradable on market only once. It will force people to get rid of theire stock and the price will drop, and no one will jack it up again because it will be immposible to do so.
This will massibley reduce the amount of PLEX on the market, right? Therefore reducing supply, while doing nothing about demand. Therefore jacking the price HIGHER...
No it will massibley increase the amount of PLEX on the market. because people will stop hoarding it. and will stop the price manipulation. |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
173
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Posted - 2016.01.10 21:29:49 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hairpins Blueprint wrote:People buy less plex because they get more isk for it... I'm not sure how to interpret OP's thought...
People Buy PLex to put it on market to get Legal ISk for real $
Right now you can buy a maruder for 1 plex.
if plex cost 400 mil, you need to buy 3x plex not one. with is more plex on the market and more money for ccp. |
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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
173
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Posted - 2016.01.10 21:31:11 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:people are buying more plex than ever before, BECAUSE they get so much isk for it.
No, they buy less, because they get much more isk for it now.
they by few insted of dozen to get same results. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4095
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Posted - 2016.01.10 21:37:03 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Regulate Plex market by making it tradable on market only once. It will force people to get rid of theire stock and the price will drop, and no one will jack it up again because it will be immposible to do so.
This will massibley reduce the amount of PLEX on the market, right? Therefore reducing supply, while doing nothing about demand. Therefore jacking the price HIGHER... No it will massibley increase the amount of PLEX on the market. because people will stop hoarding it. and will stop the price manipulation.
I don't think you understand how the market works.
See all those PLEX in Jita? How many do you think were dumped straight to buy orders and then flipped for profit? You'd be removing that entirely, as well as taking every stored PLEX out of the market for good.
That is not going to do good things to the supply. You are not going to suddenly get more people buying PLEX with cash just because you removed the resale market entirely.
Hell. Even if what you want does happen and the price collapses, do you really think people are going to spend $45 instead of $15 to get that marauder?
(Disclaimer: I don't know what the US PLEX price is, because I am not American.) |
unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
172
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Posted - 2016.01.10 21:42:05 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hairpins Blueprint wrote:People buy less plex because they get more isk for it... I'm not sure how to interpret OP's thought... People Buy PLex to put it on market to get Legal ISk for real $ Right now you can buy a maruder for 1 plex. if plex cost 400 mil, you need to buy 3x plex not one. with is more plex on the market and more money for ccp.
you don't understand market at all
Price for PLEX with real money is constant.
http://i.investopedia.com/inv/tutorials/site/economics/economics5.gif
Supply = people who buy PLEX to sell for isk higher value PLEX, more people buy it with real money to sell it for isk.
Demand = people who buy PLEX to pay month subscriber with isk higher value, less people will pay it, thus less customers
sudden reduce PLEX to 33% of its original price mean there will be less seller, and buyer will start to bid higher due to more buyers than there would be at 1B point. |
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2016.01.10 21:43:26 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:people are buying more plex than ever before, BECAUSE they get so much isk for it. No, they buy less, because they get much more isk for it now. they by few insted of dozen to get same results.
I don't think you understand the basic of marketing.
the price of Plex tends to go up, because people are willing to pay for that price. Those people that get that isk start to use to to buy what ever have you, this in turns results in what ever they buy to go up in price, because now there a higher demand, this in turns means that the isk starts to equal out.
As for people buying less plexes, how do you know? Do you have data proving that people are buying less plexes? Do you have proof that people are just hording them? Because marketing 101 teaches that when you have a higher demand, you need to start making more supply to meet that demand, or someone else will. This means that someone has to be buying more plexes to provide for that demand. And looking on the markets and contracts, there no lack of plexes being sold.
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Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
256
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Posted - 2016.01.10 23:29:09 -
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This topic comes up every so often and somehow the current price of plex is always terrible and going to ruin the game.. It was funny when plex was at 300m.. its hilarious when plex is at 1b.
You people do understand that your ability to earn isk adjust with the price of plex right? |
Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
183
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Posted - 2016.01.11 02:35:56 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:I know this old, redundant and whet ever you call it.
EXACTLY!
SOOOO, IB4L
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.11 11:37:33 -
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There are probably a good deal of items that could/should be obtained from exchanges of an player made item +isk. To deflate the economy and push buying power in to the hands of active players.
I mean we could also just see rats have their bounties dropped again like CCP did when they deployed ESS, just slowly adjust ISK going in to the system down and make items even more about non-capital expenses.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
145
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Posted - 2016.01.11 13:58:35 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:I know this old, redundant and whet ever you call it.
But it's the only right thing to do, Playing with plex price to make Trilions on jacking up the prices and using the items as investment is not healthy for the game at all.
People buy less plex because they get more isk for it, people hoard draging the volume on the market to bottom and than jacking up the prices.
It's an ever ending cycle that is not good for CCP and casual players in the long run.
The Right solution for this impasse is to make let the item to be sold on the market only once. You can still tarde, contract or donate it.
But having plex trade hands only once will kill the market price manipulation and bring the plex to it's real value.
PLEX is not an regualr item that you can farm from ded sites or anoms, mine it your self or what ever when the market get scamed. It's a Metagame items that is brought to the game by spending real $.
Having that is mind it's insane to treat it as regual in game item and let people scam the shi* out of it. Because there is no way to inject big enough bulk that the Jita traders can't consume and that put fraction of if back on market for much more isk.
And saying that Market wariors are driving the price to it's real value; it's crazy talk and you know it .... it's no real price if there is no competition.
Don't let Few trilionares scam player base. Regulate Plex market by making it tradable on market only once. It will force people to get rid of theire stock and the price will drop, and no one will jack it up again because it will be immposible to do so.
So you know it why are you open a post, but to make it sure.
The raising Plex prices are good for the buyers, to be honest the amount a plex is worth is in my eyes still to low.
so a no from me
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Mag's
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
20956
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Posted - 2016.01.11 14:02:21 -
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Yeah no. Plex prices need to reach at least 2 billion tbh. They are way too cheap atm.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2480
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Posted - 2016.01.11 16:01:48 -
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If anything about PLEX need to be regulated, it's the amount of thread about their trading/prices... |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1474
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Posted - 2016.01.11 16:10:46 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:people are buying more plex than ever before, BECAUSE they get so much isk for it. No, they buy less, because they get much more isk for it now. they by few insted of dozen to get same results.
So you're saying people buy more of something when they're getting a poor value for their money, and buy less of something when they're getting a good value for their money?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3737
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Posted - 2016.01.11 16:17:56 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hairpins Blueprint wrote:People buy less plex because they get more isk for it... I'm not sure how to interpret OP's thought... The idea is: You want to buy a super. You don't have the ISK. So: You purchase PLEX, sell for ISK, get the super. But higher the ISK value of the PLEX, fewer you need to purchase to get your super. Ive talked to people involved with supers, and they say this is happening. It is a mechanism that causes supply to drop despite the price increase. On the other side, more people decide to get supers. But that is ultimately limited by the number of player who can fly a super. Result: It's unclear what ISK value of the PLEX results in the greatest sale volume of PLEX for CCP.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3949
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Posted - 2016.01.11 16:20:48 -
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Regulating the sale of PLEX would be incredibly anti-sanbox. Diminishing the sandbox diminishes the game. No player should want that, even if it means they have to actually have a job to play EVE. |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
175
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Posted - 2016.01.11 16:59:29 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Regulating the sale of PLEX would be incredibly anti-sanbox. Diminishing the sandbox diminishes the game. No player should want that, even if it means they have to actually have a job to play EVE.
OFC you are right, but Plex is the item outside of the sand box. What if Jita trades were able to manipulaet the price of Game time on CCP's site? would it be cool that few trilinares could scam the whole community? you have everything to play with; plex is just item like no other, so other rules should apply to it.
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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
175
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Posted - 2016.01.11 17:01:27 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:people are buying more plex than ever before, BECAUSE they get so much isk for it. No, they buy less, because they get much more isk for it now. they by few insted of dozen to get same results. So you're saying people buy more of something when they're getting a poor value for their money, and buy less of something when they're getting a good value for their money? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
no it does not, when plex was for 300m people had to buy 3x plex now just one. what is ridiculous here? |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
175
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Posted - 2016.01.11 17:04:29 -
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Mag's wrote:Yeah no. Plex prices need to reach at least 2 billion tbh. They are way too cheap atm.
So you can buy eaven less to get more? way is that so?
The price of plex should be controled by supply and demnad, not Jita traders.
And plex beeing traded on market only once seems to be the best way to deal with the problem.
Because you can still trade / contract or donate it. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4098
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Posted - 2016.01.11 17:32:19 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
no it does not, when plex was for 300m people had to buy 3x plex now just one. what is ridiculous here?
What's ridiculous is that you think people will still want to buy PLEX when they need -ú50 for a billion, not -ú17.
Meaning a super bought with nothing but PLEX would cost -ú1000, not -ú340.
Can you explain how Jita traders are somehow not a part of supply and demand?
If every PLEX that went to a buy order was gone from the market for good, do you not think this would see a lot less of them on sell orders? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1474
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Posted - 2016.01.11 17:42:06 -
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Quote:And plex beeing traded on market only once seems to be the best way to deal with the problem.
You haven't made a substantive argument that a problem even exists, let alone one that needs to be dealt with.
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Mag's
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
20962
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Posted - 2016.01.11 17:50:00 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Mag's wrote:Yeah no. Plex prices need to reach at least 2 billion tbh. They are way too cheap atm. So you can buy eaven less to get more? way is that so? The price of plex should be controled by supply and demnad, not Jita traders. And plex beeing traded on market only once seems to be the best way to deal with the problem. Because you can still trade / contract or donate it. Just a little heads up my dear. Jita traders are a part of supply and demand.
Just because you don't like how they deal with it, doesn't mean it should be restricted and/or nerfed.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4316
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Posted - 2016.01.11 18:13:06 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
hurf-n-blurf about PLEX prices and market manipulation
sigh
This thread again I see.
I'd like to see an explanation of how this market manipulation works. If you spend trillions driving up the price of PLEX and are sitting on alot of PLEX with a high price, yes you have made substantial gains, but those gains are only on "paper" until you sell the PLEX and realize those gains. But by selling PLEX you are going to start driving the price down. So explain how this mechanism works. If a player or even a group of players have tried to buy up PLEX to drive up the price how exactly are they going to unwind from that position?
Further, what is to stop others from cashing in their PLEX stash? I am willing to bet some people who are ISK rich and don't know where to park all that ISK in game park it in PLEX figuring it will, over time trend up as PLEX prices have. So if you jack up the price artificially, what is to stop people from selling more PLEX?
Or here is a thought...why is the current price wrong? CCP has been tying PLEX to more and more things in game. Not just game time, but other things as well.
And this statement,
Quote:People buy less plex because they get more isk for it,....
Let me see, I'll get more ISK if I hold for...how long? For the last 3 months. Further, if I've bought a PLEX for RL money and want to sell it in game that implies I want ISK now. Holding onto that PLEX is going to cost me in that I don't get the ISK I want/need now. If anything the higher the ISK price of PLEX in game means more will be sold, all other things considered.
I find these claims of manipulation to be completely unfounded. Nobody can put forward a convincing strategy. They just say, "Of course there is manipulation....because, and you're an idiot if you disagree." That is some compelling argument right there.
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