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Ben Todastuki
Delta Aquisitions Group AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2016.01.12 08:38:06 -
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On EFT electronic paper the rattlesnake seems to outshine the mach other than a little less DPS. However when actually doing the sites the method of choice for rattle snake is to warp 100km out and snip + send out your heavies to travel a long ways. Ive noticed with missile travel time, drone travel time(between targets and the need to retreat if focused) the DPS on the rattle snake just seems to lag further and further behind. I feel like the mach's DPS with autocannons will put it to shame...but the mach has so few mids to tank with.
Anyways, does anyone use a mach to solo drone hordes? What is your fit? If your familier with the rattle snake do you find the mach more pleasent?
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2016.01.12 09:30:56 -
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The Mach actually has a pretty high dps ceiling with great application. The only problem being the absolutely insane rof chewing through a lot of ammo.
In fact, the Mach and Rattlesnake dps is pretty close all things considered. At most theres around a 180-ish dps difference with both using Curator IIs and that's with the Rattler using Inferno Fury. A few missed volleys here and there (no one's perfect) and you should actually see very similar performance out of the two but with effort and practice the Rattle should perform slight better in the long run.
Of course there are additional factors to consider that isn't immediately obvious in EFT. There is a huge agility disparity between the two hulls. Without prop mods you're looking at 3.5 seconds additional align time for the rattler and that could be an issue in less than safe space. Additionally the Mach is nearly twice as fast as the Rattler on grid AND 1.5 times as fast in warp.
On the tanking side the rattler has a sizable advantage yes, both in the ability to sit outside of range of most of the dps as well as bonuses to resists. The mach can require s a bit more piloting finesse to get the most out of it tank and dps wise.
I think the biggest effect though will be the pilot and what style of flying he prefers. Since the DPS and application thereof is what matters when it comes to determining isk income from those sites and since they both are comparable in that regard it's a case of what you can make work.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
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Ben Todastuki
Delta Aquisitions Group AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2016.01.12 16:47:20 -
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Thanks for the well detailed response :) I guess my biggest gripe with the rattler is waiting for the big drone to move around where as with the mach's auto cannon im applying DPS quicker to my target. My current skills are much more advanced for autocannons too compared to heavy drones and cruise missiles. I'm just afraid the tank of the mach isnt quite what id like it to be..but things must have a balancing point.
I geuss in the end I'll just have to buy a mach and try it out. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2016.01.12 17:25:28 -
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Ben Todastuki wrote:Thanks for the well detailed response :) I guess my biggest gripe with the rattler is waiting for the big drone to move around where as with the mach's auto cannon im applying DPS quicker to my target. My current skills are much more advanced for autocannons too compared to heavy drones and cruise missiles. I'm just afraid the tank of the mach isnt quite what id like it to be..but things must have a balancing point.
I geuss in the end I'll just have to buy a mach and try it out. Use Curators, on both the Mach and the Rattler
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
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Ben Todastuki
Delta Aquisitions Group AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2016.01.12 18:24:40 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Ben Todastuki wrote:Thanks for the well detailed response :) I guess my biggest gripe with the rattler is waiting for the big drone to move around where as with the mach's auto cannon im applying DPS quicker to my target. My current skills are much more advanced for autocannons too compared to heavy drones and cruise missiles. I'm just afraid the tank of the mach isnt quite what id like it to be..but things must have a balancing point.
I geuss in the end I'll just have to buy a mach and try it out. Use Curators, on both the Mach and the Rattler
Over gecko's? |
Ben Todastuki
Delta Aquisitions Group AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2016.01.12 18:25:41 -
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oh you mean to cut drone travel! I see haven't thought of this.... |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.01.12 21:06:13 -
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Looks for 'hordes' in EVE Online...
... no such enemy or faction found
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2016.01.13 08:45:35 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Looks for 'hordes' in EVE Online... ... no such enemy or faction found
I believe it's the 'drone' bit that is pertinent here. Is 'hordes' one of their sites? |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2016.01.13 09:52:47 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Looks for 'hordes' in EVE Online... ... no such enemy or faction found Slow day?
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:17:32 -
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Yeah your biggest mistake was trying to snipe with heavies, you're gonna have a bad day doing that
Either use sentries while sniping, or use heavies and warp to the middle of the site. You'll need a higher tank, but your dps will be significantly higher. Not sure how hordes spawn, so warping into the center may not be an option. |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:33:43 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Looks for 'hordes' in EVE Online... ... no such enemy or faction found Slow day?
Only boring people get bored
If nothing else, I have my moustachio
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:23:51 -
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Ben Todastuki wrote: On EFT electronic paper the rattlesnake seems to outshine the mach other than a little less DPS. However when actually doing the sites the method of choice for rattle snake is to warp 100km out and snip + send out your heavies to travel a long ways. Ive noticed with missile travel time, drone travel time(between targets and the need to retreat if focused) the DPS on the rattle snake just seems to lag further and further behind. I feel like the mach's DPS with autocannons will put it to shame...but the mach has so few mids to tank with.
Anyways, does anyone use a mach to solo drone hordes? What is your fit? If your familier with the rattle snake do you find the mach more pleasent?
I live in Angel space now but have some experience from living in Drone Regions a while back. I fly a Mach most of the time though I do now use an alt in a Rattlesnake for anomalies. (Nighthawk for escalations because you can't fit a mach an another BS in a carrier unfortunately , I carrier just to escalations when I can).
I fly the Mach because I love it, it's a very cool ship and my mach pilot has master level skills with it. But the truth is that for null PVE, the Rattlesnake is always hands down better for everything with the exception of a Vindicator in serp/guristas space (even there, the Rattlesnake is good and better than the Machariel). It takes faction/deadspace gear to get a mach to match what a 'Snake can do with a non-blingy Tech2 fit. AND the 'Snake has the edge in a forced pvp encounter that sometimes happens in null.
The key is to fit and use the 'Snake like you would in Wormhole Space. This video is probably the best example I know of. Works for Hordes and they're escalations. Warp to Zero, deploy Gecko or 2 Ogre2s and mobile depot, switch out tank mods for damage/damage application mods when you need dps, switch back to tanking mods if your shields get low OR if you get jumped by bad guys. hell, I'm lazy so I was using FoF heavy missiles from RHMLs.
I kept a MJD in my cargo as i'll, one time while living in Etherium Reach I saw a neutral guy come into system so I took off a shield recharger, put on the mjd, activated it and was 100 km away from him when he came in in an interceptor because he warped at zero. I warped to safety before he could even approach me.
From his taking in local about how "MJDs are cancer", I don't think he appreciated the beauty of the situation lol |
Ben Todastuki
Delta Aquisitions Group AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 03:51:38 -
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Thanks you, i really needed to hear this lol... Yes i have much better skills for a machariel as i use to do incursion often. i really really wanted to fly a mach again, but I definitely feel your right. its just not as good. |
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