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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:04:53 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:The factional wars are a sham meant only to fatten the pockets of the Empires funding them. Its all bullshit. If some crap is true for tribals it doesn't mean it would be true for such well developed and advanced society as Caldari State. Thus don't put all faction wars in one bucket. A people are struggling against an oppressive regime that has driven them from their ancestral homes and attempted to destroy their culture. Now they fight back in an attempt to regain what was taken from them. Which people am I talking about Diana?
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Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute
30
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:35:17 -
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Siddhar Gangari wrote:Says the twerp that takes her fleets into null rather than the warzone. Shame on you. You're no better than the Amarr.
And I would say to you, shame on you for not teaching your pilots everything they can learn from Lowsec to Nullsec. You just keep them spinning buttons and learning nothing more than blood sport instead of the space around them. However, you don't run any sort of fleets nor command people. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2395
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:43:31 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Here we go again.
Toy war still fulfills its purpose, I see.
In that it prevents all-out war, yes it does.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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Ria Nieyli
38754
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:46:36 -
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Kalo Askold wrote:Siddhar Gangari wrote:Says the twerp that takes her fleets into null rather than the warzone. Shame on you. You're no better than the Amarr. And I would say to you, shame on you for not teaching your pilots everything they can learn from Lowsec to Nullsec. You just keep them spinning buttons and learning nothing more than blood sport instead of the space around them. However, you don't run any sort of fleets nor command people.
Being in the warzone is not just spinning buttons.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32304
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:47:18 -
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Thaaaanks for memberrrrs MinMiiiiillll~
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Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
48
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:52:05 -
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Kalo Askold wrote:Siddhar Gangari wrote:Says the twerp that takes her fleets into null rather than the warzone. Shame on you. You're no better than the Amarr. And I would say to you, shame on you for not teaching your pilots everything they can learn from Lowsec to Nullsec. You just keep them spinning buttons and learning nothing more than blood sport instead of the space around them. However, you don't run any sort of fleets nor command people.
The fact remains that you do nothing to support the war effort. If the shallow (in my humble opinion) pursuit of kill marks for your hull is what interests you, by all means pursue it. But do so without luring people who wish to contribute away from a long-term goal that requires vision and cooperation to complete. Retire from the war, pirate. The TLF and its supporters will be better for it. |
Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute
30
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:03:38 -
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Siddhar Gangari wrote:
And I would say to you, shame on you for not teaching your pilots everything they can learn from Lowsec to Nullsec. You just keep them spinning buttons and learning nothing more than blood sport instead of the space around them. However, you don't run any sort of fleets nor command people.
The fact remains that you do nothing to support the war effort. If the shallow (in my humble opinion) pursuit of kill marks for your hull is what interests you, by all means pursue it. But do so without luring people who wish to contribute away from a long-term goal that requires vision and cooperation to complete. Retire from the war, pirate. The TLF and its supporters will be better for it.[/quote]
Much like a child who thinks the father does nothing during the day for the family because they are out working all the time, so you too assume I have done nothing for 'ourside' because you haven't seen it. Kill marks on my ship, please I lose them all the time and rarely able to shoot before the min-mil kills them.
Need to run a fleet and not enough members, I have rallied to help hurt Amarr staging towers. Need a dread to run away, sure I'll be there with friends. Need help killing a fleet in a system? Yep there.
Need help spinning buttons of recycled outposts because concord told you it was ok? I rather go do something else.
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Seraphim Risen
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
62
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:11:55 -
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Wait, so which doy ou want? People to fight for the Republic or people to go to nullsec with you? You're not arguing any logical point here.
As far as the other goes, Diana, I regularly witness members of all four militias pirating and aggressing others with no provocation. *****, please. Don't lecture me with your Reality Distortion Field in effect- it shows every time you say anything.
Never not badpost.
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Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute
30
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:15:17 -
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Seraphim Risen wrote:Wait, so which doy ou want? People to fight for the Republic or people to go to nullsec with you? You're not arguing any logical point here.
As far as the other goes, Diana, I regularly witness members of all four militias pirating and aggressing others with no provocation. *****, please. Don't lecture me with your Reality Distortion Field in effect- it shows every time you say anything.
Militia doesn't fight for the republic, they fight for ISK and that is about it. Its a training ground and a place to learn how to use the weapons before the actual navies call for help.
If people believe what they are doing in the militia actually matters they are simply fooling themselves into sleeping well at night.
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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
842
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:21:47 -
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Siddhar Gangari wrote: The fact remains that you do nothing to support the war effort. If the shallow (in my humble opinion) pursuit of kill marks for your hull is what interests you, by all means pursue it. But do so without luring people who wish to contribute away from a long-term goal that requires vision and cooperation to complete. Retire from the war, pirate. The TLF and its supporters will be better for it.
Amusing, since no one is forced to go anywhere or be in any fleet. The pilots of the TLF can make their own choices, you don't own them, if they choose to join a fleet raiding slavers in providence, or supporting a fight over a moon, how is that even any of your business? You make it sound nefarious as if KS7RL FCs work against your goals, but what exact goal is it anyway? A medal? Do you think that is going to do anything for our people?
Ria Nieyli wrote: Being in the warzone is not just spinning buttons.
To be fair you are missing the context of the discussion, on the 2LC side, we are regularly (as evidenced in this thread) told we are "no better than the Amarr" because our primary activity isn't running buttons, but pursuing fights, wherever those fights might be. |
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Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
48
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:22:11 -
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And what will all of that accomplish? The enemy will never die out. They are immortal just like us; they will rebuild their ships and towers given enough time. All that you have just described is meaningless if no territory is taken. I agree that the current system used to capture and reinforce infrastructures is tedious at times, but it's what needs to be done if we are to make any gains.
This conversation has, I think, revealed a solution to remedy this grave disconnect and infighting in the Militia. Balance and cooperation must be restored if we're going to "win" this. I see now, Kalo, that you're not the problem - not entirely. Message me if you're willing to help restore cooperation. I've said all I've needed to say about this for now; do not bother me if you're not serious about fixing what is broken.
To Valentina:
[/quote]A medal? Do you think that is going to do anything for our people?[/quote]
No not, a medal. For the enslaved brothers and sisters forced to serve the Amarr in systems so close to their homeland. Complete liberation of the WZ will give us the opportunity to free a great number of slaves - greater than any number rescued from convoys or orbital plantations. Do not think me shallow; my only goal is unity. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Icecream Audit Office
639
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:27:18 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Here we go again.
Toy war still fulfills its purpose, I see.
In that it prevents all-out war, yes it does. I was just about to jump in and explain. Thanks for sparing me the trouble.
It was always somewhat tragic that pretty much the only person in space I never had to explain my politics to was Rodj-bloody-Blake, Admiral of PIE Inc.
Else
Want some nuts with your intelligence?
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
861
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:28:29 -
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Unless I'm mistaken didn't U'K at one time have some operations in Great Wildlands? What exactly is the problem with people learning the ins and outs of other forms of combat? Having gone on a few of Kalo's fleets, a lot of the people in the TLF were clueless about how to actually conduct themselves out there. I'm not saying ignoring everything daily is a good thing but how are people supposed to improve if they sit in their comfort zones all the time? You want progress yet you propose to hinder improvement by funneling them into the norms. Complacency kills. Personally I'd say forcing everyone to exclusively use Tormenters on mandatory Provi roams would be better for developing our up and coming warriors than having them grow too comfortable with whats around them. What military now a days doesn't train for things other than what is expected? |
ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
844
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:36:44 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Unless I'm mistaken didn't U'K at one time have some operations in Great Wildlands? What exactly is the problem with people learning the ins and outs of other forms of combat? Having gone on a few of Kalo's fleets, a lot of the people in the TLF were clueless about how to actually conduct themselves out there. I'm not saying ignoring everything daily is a good thing but how are people supposed to improve if they sit in their comfort zones all the time? You want progress yet you propose to hinder improvement by funneling them into the norms. Complacency kills. Personally I'd say forcing everyone to exclusively use Tormenters on mandatory Provi roams would be better for developing our up and coming warriors than having them grow too comfortable with whats around them. What military now a days doesn't train for things other than what is expected?
Absolutely! And I would like to add that in addition to attacking slavers in Providence and the Warzone, Sanguis Inceptum has been doing a wonderful job of hitting them in the Throne Worlds themselves despite Concord, and the Amarr Navy. We are Minmatar we can go anywhere we want. There should be no where the Amarr feel totally safe from us. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
525
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:43:22 -
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You are about as Minmatar as Rodj Blake, Nauplius and those animals you've brought into your alliance. |
Ria Nieyli
38778
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:59:25 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:To be fair you are missing the context of the discussion, on the 2LC side, we are regularly (as evidenced in this thread) told we are "no better than the Amarr" because our primary activity isn't running buttons, but pursuing fights, wherever those fights might be.
I'm not good at contexting. Or subtexting. You get the idea.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32305
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:04:43 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You are about as Minmatar as Rodj Blake, Nauplius and those animals you've brought into your alliance.
"Yeah quit crowding my scene man, I'm way more Minmatar than you. I was one of the first Minmatar capsuleers. Y'all are just posers!"
This is what I read.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
525
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:12:57 -
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Sounds like you need to learn how to read, Anslo. My own heritage and history hardly lends itself towards being more than an adoptee. The only thing not in question is my loyalties. |
Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute
30
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:30:00 -
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I like this thread, people are just venting all their anger. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
525
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:31:05 -
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Anslo got a classmate, it'd appear. |
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32307
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:32:50 -
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For someone so keen to get on people's cases for fighting for 'muh republic,' you sure have sporadic as **** activity.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
525
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:37:03 -
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I have next to no activity at all, these days. Damn near every fleet has a mix of Sansha or Sani Sabik in them, and it's common knowledge I neither like nor are any good at soloing. You'll note I've mentioned this quite a few times before.
Don't try and make it sound like I want people to fight for the Republic, though. That I've never said. I personally fight for the Tribes and I honestly couldn't give a toss if anyone else fights in the proxy war or not. It's about who you fly with and what you fly for. |
Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32307
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:40:56 -
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So basically everyone's standards are wrong except yours?
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
525
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:47:34 -
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Some standards are obviously non-existent, but that'll have to be their own matter to handle. My own standards are fairly simple. I don't fly with the enemies of my people, or those who would be shot on sight by my clan and tribe. It'll have to be up to everyone else to act by their own standards.
Does someone having different standards than you offend you so, Anslo? Is it uncomfortable to see that someone still holds to principles in New Eden? Most telling. |
Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32307
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:49:23 -
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Translation: NO U
But really, ***** about people not doing enough, then you don't do enough cause you can't adapt to situations and swallow your pride or ~standards~ for the better of your people.
My. Sides.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
525
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Posted - 2016.01.13 21:07:49 -
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If you find a quote about me saying people aren't doing enough that's not ancient history, I'll pay you for it. More interestingly, what exactly do you think the militias are "doing for the better of my people"? The staircase has been in place and working since long before the militias ever existed.
Tell me, how would my people benefit from me flying with the enemies of my people? |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
861
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Posted - 2016.01.13 21:27:04 -
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Mizhara, do you value the beliefs and ideals of the guns on your ship? No right? They are tools of war. As such is those profiteers and other undesirables fighting beside you. Who cares about their belief? When were done (the "wargames" I mean) and well throw them out as such. By rights they'll probably throw themselves out and return to curse, ect. |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
862
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Posted - 2016.01.13 21:31:06 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Mizhara, do you value the beliefs and ideals of the guns on your ship? No right? They are tools of war. As such is those profiteers and other undesirables fighting beside you. Who cares about their belief? When were done (the "wargames" I mean) and well throw them out as such. By rights they'll probably throw themselves out and return to curse, ect.
Respectfully speaking, I think if the end of the militia wars happened, you might regret these words. Without the proxy war to keep them busy, I dread to think what some of the extreme elements on both sides of the fence would get up to to occupy their time and guns.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32309
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Posted - 2016.01.13 21:32:07 -
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The whole 'MinMil doesn't give a ****' sound like you're not happy with what they do, or any progress they make. But maybe it's not they don't do enough, more you're just too much of an elitist **** or something.
Like, re-reading what you posted, you're basically saying militia isn't Minmatar enough. Fighting the other side isn't enough. You have to be way more Minmatar as per your criteria.
Which is pants on head ******** to be honest family.
But whatever, keep sitting there, contributing nothing but ***** post after ***** post instead of undocking and doing something about it.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32309
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Posted - 2016.01.13 21:32:54 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Mizhara, do you value the beliefs and ideals of the guns on your ship? No right? They are tools of war. As such is those profiteers and other undesirables fighting beside you. Who cares about their belief? When were done (the "wargames" I mean) and well throw them out as such. By rights they'll probably throw themselves out and return to curse, ect. Respectfully speaking, I think if the end of the militia wars happened, you might regret these words. Without the proxy war to keep them busy, I dread to think what some of the extreme elements on both sides of the fence would get up to to occupy their time and guns.
Miz would probably get involved in blasting another freighter full of slaves or something.
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