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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2016.01.17 13:59:19 -
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I can't quote comms logs here, as it's against the rules I believe, but it shouldn't be too difficult for you to trawl combat reports for quite recent events. There should also be stored communication in certain proxy war communications venues that'd elaborate. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:53:43 -
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Oh, it was recently? I'll take a look. Thanks. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:11:12 -
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Oh, the combat on the 15th? Uh.... Ya that is.... Odd, to say the least. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
557
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:24:22 -
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Nothing odd about it. To no one's great surprise, her loyalties are exactly what they appear to be. I called it a long time ago and as usual these things tend to turn out to be right. I'm just disappointed that the rest of MinMil are going to pay the price as she's alienating allies and fighting for enemies.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:37:10 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Nothing odd about it. To no one's great surprise, her loyalties are exactly what they appear to be. I called it a long time ago and as usual these things tend to turn out to be right. I'm just disappointed that the rest of MinMil are going to pay the price as she's alienating allies and fighting for enemies.
Obviously I'm not trying to say this as an excuse or anything, but myself I have 6 friendly fire incidents on my record. When I was shot at I didn't exactly look at who was trying to kill my crew. That's the nature of war. The fact she put a combat wing into a situation that would facilitate it doesn't bode well but is it confirmed that was the intent? I know it does look rather bad, I'm not denying that... |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
557
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:54:26 -
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I have comms record confirmation that it is intentional and deliberate. Not particularly secret either. It was plain speech in public venues. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:57:50 -
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Oh..... |
ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
858
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Posted - 2016.01.17 19:28:20 -
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They shoot us so we shoot them, it is no surprise at all really. I do not for a second deny engaging Gal mil. after many incidents I have started treating them just like other neutrals. Other FCs in the alliance might have a different policy but that is the one I go by.
And if they were allies they wouldn't come to metropolis and slide into our plexes and shoot us to begin with. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
335
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Posted - 2016.01.17 19:42:13 -
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Well gosh I am late to this party!
For those of you who don't know/remember me I used to have some involvement in Mini Mil and I maintain an interest in their wellbeing. For context I can remember the days of Iron Ocide and weekly HAC roams, 'Ourzad', Periphery and even the old WEAZL battleship roams (even if I was just a scrub in a T1 Slasher at the time )
I'm going to try and keep this brief:
1) Iron Oxide are not dead. CTRL-Q is still alive and kicking in Gallente Militia. Corp with 5th most kills in Gal Mil over past 7 days as I type. It is always a pleasure to see old friends flying about and they don't take it personally when I shoot at them
2) Both sides of this argument have a point. Plexing brings fights as long as the system is worth something to the enemy. Having pilots willing to make that happen and keep the PVE pressure up can cause great PVP. Likewise when those serious fights happen the militia needs a bunch of pilots who can field advanced and diverse doctrines and tactics to win the fights. (No I don't mean kitchen sink frigate swarm which is common in public plexing fleets)
As long as you are clear about what to expect of each other then the militia will make gains.
3) The pendulum has started swinging in Amarrs favour, all of you need to think about how you want to adjust to a swarm of Amarr farmers Plexing 23/7. You will only achieve despair and stress if you try to endlessly defend every system. Pick your fights with some strategic intent and bloody Amarr Mils nose when they poke it into Militia core interests, whatever you each decide those are...
4) You can have friends who are not in the militia. Do I see members of U'K giving Bionesis grief here? Bare it in mind.
Now that that seriousness is out of the way I need some more popcorn. |
Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute
36
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Posted - 2016.01.18 00:33:20 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
3) The pendulum has started swinging in Amarrs favour, all of you need to think about how you want to adjust to a swarm of Amarr farmers Plexing 23/7. You will only achieve despair and stress if you try to endlessly defend every system. Pick your fights with some strategic intent and bloody Amarr Mils nose when they poke it into Militia core interests, whatever you each decide those are...
Now that that seriousness is out of the way I need some more popcorn.
It isn't the 23/7 Plexing that has minmatar beat at the moment, its the fact the null people have been losing their sov and going to join Amarr militia. Such as Fweddit recently did, and their active members are greater than all of the militia flying in any given day.
Perhaps we should do what Pyre did and just spend enough isk and gloat until we are forced to leave the warzone and go towards Gallente lands only to have our 'good' record trashed.
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Kalaratiri
Death By Design Did he say Jump
800
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Posted - 2016.01.18 00:44:53 -
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Kalo Askold wrote:
Perhaps we should do what Pyre did and just spend enough isk and gloat until we are forced to leave the warzone and go towards Gallente lands only to have our 'good' record trashed.
It always has been a mystery to me as to how the Minmatar militia manages to be just so poor, despite being awarded vast amounts of loyalty points and sitting in Tier 4 for 6 straight months.
As for "forced"... who exactly do you claim forced PYRE out?
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
559
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Posted - 2016.01.18 01:18:42 -
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Err, Pyre largely flew very affordable T1 doctrines. Skillfully so, I might add. For all their faults and the fact that I'd seriously consider burning a planet from space if one of them took a dump on it, their combat record is not one of them. They fought well and with good financial sense.
A good display of how skill and good training will let you get a lot of work done in "basic" well fit ships.
And honestly, I have no idea how people manage to be so bloody broke in the TLF. Granted, our LP is worthless as the market is over saturated by far, but it's not like it's hard to make isk in New Eden.
Given that you're effectively in a Pyre-pet alliance, Kalo, your salt at them is kind of funny. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1084
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Posted - 2016.01.18 02:03:35 -
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Kalo Askold wrote: Perhaps we should do what Pyre did and just spend enough isk and gloat until we are forced to leave the warzone and go towards Gallente lands only to have our 'good' record trashed.
We didn't spend ISK and gloat, we invested it. After all we're still reaping interest to this day. Rock on, friend! If you click your heels together three times and make a wish (Also, a snappy salute would be preferred), we may return!
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Anyanka Funk
Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute
624
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Posted - 2016.01.18 07:07:46 -
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Desiderya wrote:Kalo Askold wrote: Perhaps we should do what Pyre did and just spend enough isk and gloat until we are forced to leave the warzone and go towards Gallente lands only to have our 'good' record trashed.
We didn't spend ISK and gloat, we invested it. After all we're still reaping interest to this day. Rock on, friend! If you click your heels together three times and make a wish (Also, a snappy salute would be preferred), we may return! Stay out! We don't need your ungodly filth. |
ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
858
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Posted - 2016.01.18 07:25:47 -
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Haha, I don't mind your ungodly filth at all, sometimes I like to get filthy. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2382
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Posted - 2016.01.18 08:13:03 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Haha, I don't mind your ungodly filth at all, sometimes I like to get filthy. EWW. Minmatars.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
422
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Posted - 2016.01.18 10:01:33 -
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Our people are struggling to prosper, and while 2LC is trying to provide infrastructure, industry and financial security to our allies we have idiots telling us we're doing everything wrong.
We are wrong for raising funds instead of massing into unnecessarily large and inefficient fleets. We are wrong for securing resources and travel routes instead of taking terrible fights. We are wrong for using precision strikes when we are grossly outnumbered. We are wrong for using scanning equipment for its exact purpose. We are wrong for entertaining membership with excursions against various threats or opportunities.
We are wrong because we are not doing it their way, the way they've always done it, the way that's always had mediocre performance and ineffective pressure on the war zone. For too long, it's been the mere economic advantages of surplus military equipment that dictated how much of the war zone we controlled.
They don't get it, they don't get that they don't get it and we do. Serving with the Amarr, I discovered that they're largely run by idiots too, but they're more organized idiots with more money and they have less to disagree about. Shoot the savages, yay God. You see, we are their game, but we fight for our lives, our future as a people. They don't have to be afraid of getting anything wrong. Their society is fine for them, and it will keep on being fine no matter how many systems we take or what tactical decisions their capsuleer military makes.
We're not the ones living in relative comfort and luxury. We're not the ones who get to have slaves do the work for us. We have to make real decisions together and build a society refugees and warriors can thrive in. 2LC, in its very brief time, is accomplishing the framework of a real and cooperative military power that can provide security to the common people. We have become something exterior to the Republic, yet something wholly beneficial to its people.
Please, let's stop fighting among ourselves. Our dear Valentina and the membership of 2LC are prepared to accomplish great things for the Republic, and this incessant negativity towards our cause by a blustering minority with incentive to see us collapse will not dissuade us.
To summarize: Miz shut the hell up. You can't tell us what to do. You have no authority. You clearly don't know how any of this works. It is frankly offensive how you disregard reality to make yourself look like some kind of voice of all the loosely associated PMCs who've freely elected to operate under the Republic flag indefinitely with no commitment. Do you not realize how absurd that is? Do you comprehend how incredibly ridiculous you look when you unprofessionally moan, as someone of no importance to the politics of our own coalition, from an entirely different and barely-affiliated corporation? There's a lot of people tired of the old, stifling attitude your friends and you have developed and you need to get with the times because the times aren't going to get with you. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
559
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Posted - 2016.01.18 10:46:21 -
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Oh you poor thing. That's a whole lot of boo-hoo over the words of someone with "old, stifling attitudes".
To summarize this whole thing: If your position is so pathetically weak that simple words from a few people on a piddly little forum is enough to get you this shaken? Your position is untenable and built on smoke and dreams. Grow up and handle criticism like someone of the Tribes would rather than cry pitiful tears because "bad bad Miz wasn't being nice".
But no, I suppose fighting with Pyre against GalMil is so very very necessary for "our people", traitorous filth. |
Anyanka Funk
Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute
626
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Posted - 2016.01.18 11:07:00 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Oh you poor thing. That's a whole lot of boo-hoo over the words of someone with "old, stifling attitudes".
To summarize this whole thing: If your position is so pathetically weak that simple words from a few people on a piddly little forum is enough to get you this shaken? Your position is untenable and built on smoke and dreams. Grow up and handle criticism like someone of the Tribes would rather than cry pitiful tears because "bad bad Miz wasn't being nice".
But no, I suppose fighting with Pyre against GalMil is so very very necessary for "our people", traitorous filth. Aphox is not filth!
Why don't you actually do something? Anything! Undock your ship. Hell, stay docked, you could just be in station doing something. But you don't even do that. You do nothing, at all.
You're broken. You're the reason Amarrians take people like you as slaves. You can do nothing for yourself or anyone else. You are only good for being a slave and nothing more. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2664
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Posted - 2016.01.18 12:08:47 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:You see, we are their game, but we fight for our lives, our future as a people.
No, you really don't.
Quote:Our dear Valentina and the membership of 2LC are prepared to accomplish great things for the Republic
After she spent a year doing "great things" for the Empire, and several years doing "great things" for Sansha's Nation.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2664
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Posted - 2016.01.18 12:12:16 -
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Sani Sabik make great voices for the Minmatar people. Does Valentina know you blood and eat them on the side? |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
90
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Posted - 2016.01.18 13:30:05 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Sani Sabik make great voices for the Minmatar people. Does Valentina know you blood and eat them on the side?
Dunno! Does 'Of Questionable Repute' also know Funk AWOXes Minmatar militia members in Hek, as well as recently graduated Pator Tech, Republic University, and Republic Military School students and young Sebiestor and Brutor Tribe members? |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.18 14:38:00 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Sani Sabik make great voices for the Minmatar people. Does Valentina know you blood and eat them on the side? Dunno! Does 'Of Questionable Repute' also know Funk AWOXes Minmatar militia members in Hek, as well as ganks recently graduated Pator Tech, Republic University, and Republic Military School students and young Sebiestor and Brutor Tribe members? Guess they are living up to their name! When has the Gallante, caldari or Amarr millitias not had people who do the same thing? Not saying I support it but let's be honest it's not some unheard of thing in any militia. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
560
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Posted - 2016.01.18 14:42:33 -
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Nor is it tolerated, ignored or considered an act of loyalty in any proxy war faction. It does quite eloquently demonstrate that the alliance is an enemy of both the TLF and the Tribes. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.18 14:51:44 -
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U'K has had people do the same as well. They aren't traitors are they? Then again, they consist of a couple hundred pilots vs the what, 60? I don't think they can police their members as well as a smaller group. What im saying is the actions of one or two doesn't make the alliance traitorous but coupled with some other things its not looking good..... |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
335
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:03:59 -
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So much anger.
Be zen my fellow capsuleers. Every shot fired on the forums only benefits Amarr Militia. Enter into a treaty for the militias mutual benefit.
If you can't be zen you could just declare a civil war and resolve the dispute once and for all with auto cannons? Time honoured method for resolving Mini Mil disputes.
(Is that in character enough?!?!)
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2666
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:13:23 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Sani Sabik make great voices for the Minmatar people. Does Valentina know you blood and eat them on the side? Dunno! Does 'Of Questionable Repute' also know Funk AWOXes Minmatar militia members in Hek, as well as ganks recently graduated Pator Tech, Republic University, and Republic Military School students and young Sebiestor and Brutor Tribe members? Guess they are living up to their name! When has the Gallante, caldari or Amarr millitias not had people who do the same thing? Not saying I support it but let's be honest it's not some unheard of thing in any militia.
We're not talking about having it in the militia. We're talking about having it in one's own alliance. Militia membership can't be regulated, but corporate and alliance membership can. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:18:53 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Sani Sabik make great voices for the Minmatar people. Does Valentina know you blood and eat them on the side? Dunno! Does 'Of Questionable Repute' also know Funk AWOXes Minmatar militia members in Hek, as well as ganks recently graduated Pator Tech, Republic University, and Republic Military School students and young Sebiestor and Brutor Tribe members? Guess they are living up to their name! When has the Gallante, caldari or Amarr millitias not had people who do the same thing? Not saying I support it but let's be honest it's not some unheard of thing in any militia. We're not talking about having it in the militia. We're talking about having it in one's own alliance. Militia membership can't be regulated, but corporate and alliance membership can. True. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2667
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:20:08 -
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We don't have issues because we have standards that we expect our members to uphold.
And you have it backwards. The larger groups are the ones where it's more difficult to police, because there are many more faces and different corporations with different leaders doing different things. Smaller ones are where it's easier, because the leaders can micromanage things much easier.
Also, anyone who 'couldn't be in the militias because of their standings' isn't someone who should be in the militia to begin with. If anything, the standings restrictions are too lax as it is. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
562
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:27:47 -
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You're trying a little too hard to make it seem like it's an impossible task for an alliance to handle the actions of their members. An alliance executor can very easily simply tell a CEO of corp X that member Y is engaging in unacceptable behavior. Correct the behavior or kick them, or your corp is out on its arse. For a corp CEO it's even easier to enforce standards with less middle-management to go through.
In short, if the problem persists, it's because it exists with the blessing and approval of the CEOs and Alliance Executors, unspoken, tacit or not.
Since the alliance leaders in question are actively betraying both the Tribes and TLF through cooperation with our enemies, attacks upon our allies and more, it should not be particularly surprising that the entire alliance are considered a hostile entity.
This certainly applies to all entities, U'K and PIE as well. We have to take the same criticism when earned, along with measures taken or indeed not taken to limit or prohibit problematic behavior. |
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