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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:40:27 -
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Right, so a month old alliance has an easier time picking and choosing corporations under them because they are small as opposed to a well established alliance which is bigger and attracts groups more easily to join? It's hard to promote a sense of morals if you don't have a group to promote it to. Such micromanagement falls on the corporations I would think with the alliance's leadership enforcing it. I fully agree with you on the fact that people can just corporation hop to continue being in the militia is disgusting. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
563
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:46:16 -
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Size and age has nothing to do with it. It all boils down to the same thing. Executor > CEOs > Directors > Members, with differing degrees of middle-management depending on organizational size and structure. Standards are met or disregarded by anyone through the entire chain of command, and the only enforcement of standards come from Executors, CEOs and Directors.
If members are behaving in a certain way, it is up to these people to either enforce standards or dismiss the standards. If there are problems from members and the problems persist, it's because enforcement does not happen. It doesn't matter what the reasoning behind that decision is, the responsibility and decisions lie entirely with that chain of command, ultimately ending at the Executor's feet.
While Executors and CEOs enjoy the most power and influence in an alliance, they are also always ultimately responsible for the acts of anyone under their banner. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5854
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:32:18 -
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I don't know what it's like in the big leagues, but in my limited experience corporations form alliances because they want to act in concert with like-minded groups whilst still retaining their essential corporate culture.
Other than strictly agreed protocols (ROEs etc), most CEOs and their corporate members would react very negatively to constantly having that corporate culture overridden by the Alliance Executor / Board. I would expect that where this happens often the relationship between the corporation and the alliance would swiftly break down.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5855
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:38:31 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Nothing odd about it. To no one's great surprise, her loyalties are exactly what they appear to be. I called it a long time ago and as usual these things tend to turn out to be right. I'm just disappointed that the rest of MinMil are going to pay the price as she's alienating allies and fighting for enemies.
I find it easy to forgive anyone bloodying the Gallente - but then I already loved Val to bits. I seem to remember that the TLF doesn't have a problem with her slagging Gallente Militia ships (heck, the Republic Fleet engages Gallente Navy ships, so why shouldn't the Militia?)
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
860
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:39:08 -
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Eh, if Funk shoots TLF, that is for Kalo to deal with, and for me to deal with if it starts to threaten standings for Sanguis, therefore the alliance. As far as shooting capsuleers in highsec, I just don't care. It also doesn't matter to me that Hratan does it. |
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
426
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:39:37 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Oh you poor thing. That's a whole lot of boo-hoo over the words of someone with "old, stifling attitudes".
To summarize this whole thing: If your position is so pathetically weak that simple words from a few people on a piddly little forum is enough to get you this shaken? Your position is untenable and built on smoke and dreams. Grow up and handle criticism like someone of the Tribes would rather than cry pitiful tears because "bad bad Miz wasn't being nice".
But no, I suppose fighting with Pyre against GalMil is so very very necessary for "our people", traitorous filth.
You are a narrow-minded blowhard who doesn't understand how the world works and yes, to be perfectly god damned honest your constant slander has caused me to waste my time I could be putting towards shooting Amarr to come here and try to help clarify our mission because yeah, you've kind of made me have to worry about our public image. You are an insufferable menace to the reputation of Republic and not only are you not content making your friends look bad, but you have to go out of your way to molest your allies too.
My time with the Amarr was a tactical decision in order to understand them and try to change them. I'm not proud of the Minmatar I've destroyed, but this is war and my eventual goal is to end it by sufficiently crushing the Amarr's capacity to hire PMCs.
However, you, Mizhara Del'thul, have shown nothing but disrespect and a lack of appreciation for the nuances of corporate relationships, modern warfare and the harsh reality of war. You are a bloviating idiot and you don't understand the contents or the impact of your words and your continued interference will require me to start charging your corporation to attempt to recoup from the damages you cause with your drivel.
Anyanka Funk wrote:Why don't you actually do something? Anything! Undock your ship. Hell, stay docked, you could just be in station doing something. But you don't even do that. You do nothing, at all.
You're broken. You're the reason Amarrians take people like you as slaves. You can do nothing for yourself or anyone else. You are only good for being a slave and nothing more.
Mizhara Del'thul certainly undocks, and even shoots the enemy and participates in fleet operations. My concern is that their performance as a pilot doesn't make up for lost productivity from unnecessary obstruction.
Samira Kernher, Maria Daphiti wrote:*manipulative fear, uncertainty and doubt*
Thank you for helping me establish my argument for talking the same **** Mizhara does. I don't know if Mizhara is a spy but they'll be a wartarget if they continue to threaten our security. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
2114
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:44:31 -
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Malasar Ravaan wrote:Petty bands of unwashed, tattooed tribal savages flying rusted heaps of junk has always and will always resemble a pirate gang, with the exception that most pirate gangs are better organized. Since we petty bands of junk flying unwashed savages kicked your sorry, invisible man worshiping asses out of our space and were about to start glassing your core worlds (before your spooky undead empress showed up with her alien--not Amarrian built-- weapon) what does that say about you and yours? Idiot.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
513
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Posted - 2016.01.18 18:52:24 -
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What does 2LC refer to ?
Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.
It is Written.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
565
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Posted - 2016.01.18 19:02:27 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I don't know what it's like in the big leagues, but in my limited experience corporations form alliances because they want to act in concert with like-minded groups whilst still retaining their essential corporate culture.
Other than strictly agreed protocols (ROEs etc), most CEOs and their corporate members would react very negatively to constantly having that corporate culture overridden by the Alliance Executor / Board. I would expect that where this happens often the relationship between the corporation and the alliance would swiftly break down.
Most certainly true, but if these corporate members are allowed to perform actions without reprimand from Directors, CEOs or Executors, then that action remains tacitly or overtly approved by the alliance's leadership. If I were to take actions running contrary to U'K RoE, conducts or regulations and there was no repercussion from my CEO (who happens to be Executor as well) then Ushra'Khan would be considered responsible, not just me. The same applies to other alliances.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I find it easy to forgive anyone bloodying the Gallente - but then I already loved Val to bits. I seem to remember that the TLF doesn't have a problem with her slagging Gallente Militia ships (heck, the Republic Fleet engages Gallente Navy ships, so why shouldn't the Militia?)
Well, given your stated loyalties, I would be surprised if you were opposed to this, but I'm certain you can understand the concern we have about a member of the TLF not only flying with stated enemies, but attacking our military allies. While I personally have no love for the Federation's proxy war forces or the Federation itself (I believe you are aware of my preference for the State over the Federation) the lines have been rather unequivocally drawn. Shoot 24thIC/StPro, good. Shoot our own or Feds, bad. Until our governments finally gets tired of all this nonsense and cuts these useless ties, it is hardly a Matari act to join the TLF and then go shooting military allies.
Val wrote:It also doesn't matter to me that Hratan does it. Hratan shoots our enemies. Your alliance apparently shoots TLF members.
Aphoxema G wrote:A lot of claims and excuses Of course I show no respect. You haven't earned any. You have thrown your loyalties around to whoever you felt like at a drop of a hat and now demand to be believed when you claim "it was just fake! Totally just a ruse! I swear!". If you want respect, own up to your choices and actions, then face the consequences of them. I would embrace any honest man or woman who admits her screw-ups and seeks atonement, but those who churlishly refute any and all responsibility for their choices and actions are not worth much but scorn.
I am well aware of the impact and consequences of my words, and I am also aware of the impact and consequences should I fall into dishonesty and start pretending these matters are not important for convenience's sake. I'll take short term inconvenience over long term damnation and failure to uphold the principles and standards of the Tribes.
Aphoxema G wrote:Thank you for helping me establish my argument for talking the same **** Mizhara does. I don't know if Mizhara is a spy but they'll be a wartarget if they continue to threaten our security.
Well, do put your autocannons where your mouth is. It is no less than what I'd expect from enemies of our people hiding under the TLF's banner. Your members already kill other TLF members, fly with our wartargets and hunt our allies. This is the logical next step, isn't it?
There's not much that would prove what I've said any better than that. |
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
428
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:01:58 -
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Synthetic Cultist wrote:What does 2LC refer to ?
2 Lazy Coalition, the raddest new kids in town. We are so cool and identify well with the popular demographic. Studies have shown that 10 out of 10 everyone loves us. |
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Jev North
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
423
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:10:21 -
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I'm mildly impressed by Of Questionable Repute's application of pragmatic principles. Despite my personal distaste for Funk, I have to admit that booting her probably isn't going to change her behaviour for the better. Sure, keeping her around looks bad, but if you're Of Questionable Repute to begin with, maybe you're not as concerned with your image as most.
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Well, given your stated loyalties, I would be surprised if you were opposed to this, but I'm certain you can understand the concern we have about a member of the TLF not only flying with stated enemies, but attacking our military allies. While I personally have no love for the Federation's proxy war forces or the Federation itself (I believe you are aware of my preference for the State over the Federation) the lines have been rather unequivocally drawn. Shoot 24thIC/StPro, good. Shoot our own or Feds, bad. Until our governments finally gets tired of all this nonsense and cuts these useless ties, it is hardly a Matari act to join the TLF and then go shooting military allies. You're pretty good at toeing the corporate line while bad-mouthing your allies. Why, it'd make me think there's a hint of envy in all this.
Aphoxema G wrote:Studies have shown that 10 out of 10 everyone loves us. I'll grant you 6 of 0 medals. |
ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
864
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:10:46 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Well, do put your autocannons where your mouth is. It is no less than what I'd expect from enemies of our people hiding under the TLF's banner. Your members already kill other TLF members, fly with our wartargets and hunt our allies. This is the logical next step, isn't it?
There's not much that would prove what I've said any better than that.
Yes, but the problem is, as much as we despise you and your mouth, I am fond of lots of people in UNITY, and we both fight side by side against the Amarr, you might not notice that of course since I never see you on the battlefield. There is no reason to turn this into a conflict that would effect our or UNITY's capability to fight the Amarr. So until concord lets us put out a contract and you, and you alone we aren't doing anything on that front. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
566
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:30:28 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Yes, but the problem is, as much as we despise you and your mouth, I am fond of lots of people in UNITY, and we both fight side by side against the Amarr, you might not notice that of course since I never see you on the battlefield. There is no reason to turn this into a conflict that would effect our or UNITY's capability to fight the Amarr. So until concord lets us put out a contract and you, and you alone we aren't doing anything on that front.
So she's just throwing around threats that won't be acted upon? What a pity.
If you want witness to what I do on the battlefield, I think I've seen your Khaprice on field during combat operations? As I don't fly with enemies of our people - that is you, Sani Sabik, etc - I've had to fly solo in the defense of Roushzar. I am rather surprised and disappointed by the sheer amount of AmarrMil that will let a single Typhoon sit untouched for multiple large plexes in a row. I've barely gotten the paint scratched on it the last few days. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Icecream Audit Office
660
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:31:51 -
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You know, you guys, and I mean pretty much everyone in this thread, probably including myself:
This is the worst ever recruitment ad for the Militias.
I'll be in the GW, shooting Angels.
Want some nuts with your intelligence?
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
566
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:35:58 -
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I dearly hope I've never given the impression I was trying to recruit for TLF. I'd rather the psychopaths in eggs went pretty much anywhere else. System control etc is vastly less important than setting an example, and the great majority of eggers aren't particularly good at that. More meat into the bloodsport grinder serves no one but the bloodthirsty people here just for the killmarks.
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Anyanka Funk
Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute
627
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:42:16 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I dearly hope I've never given the impression I was trying to recruit for TLF. I'd rather the psychopaths in eggs went pretty much anywhere else. System control etc is vastly less important than setting an example, and the great majority of eggers aren't particularly good at that. More meat into the bloodsport grinder serves no one but the bloodthirsty people here just for the killmarks.
Says the meat.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:43:09 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I've had to fly solo in the defense of Roushzar. I am rather surprised and disappointed by the sheer amount of AmarrMil that will let a single Typhoon sit untouched for multiple large plexes in a row. I've barely gotten the paint scratched on it the last few days. Fear of cynos.... |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
566
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:46:15 -
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Can't cyno in a plex, dear. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
877
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:47:44 -
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Durr..... My bad. I'm starting to get forgetful..... Don't mind me.... |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
93
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:25:00 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I am rather surprised and disappointed by the sheer amount of AmarrMil that will let a single Typhoon sit untouched for multiple large plexes in a row. I've barely gotten the paint scratched on it the last few days.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
Now that Roushar has fallen, could you let us know your new location for circling large buttons?
Hope to see you soon!
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
566
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:32:51 -
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Well, while it would appear I do have Prophetic powers, having called pretty much everything that has transpired over the last year or so, I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to where the 24th will be focusing next. I suspect we might meet wherever the fighting will be thickest in the weeks or months to come.
That said, it seems the few times I do get a fight in that thing, the locusts on both sides swarm the site. |
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
429
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Posted - 2016.01.18 23:31:04 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:That said, it seems the few times I do get a fight in that thing, the locusts on both sides swarm the site.
Yes, because we shoot you all the time. Do you seriously not listen to yourself? So dramatic, so negative, so inflammatory.
And you're the hero, you're the good one. You're not the petulant malcontent who refuses to take any help that isn't specifically catered to your infantile black-and-white view of the world. So perfect, so flawless, pure of intent. Savior of the Minmatar.
No, you're a worm, you're dishonest and your constant harassment won't be tolerated indefinitely. You can keep taking credit for other peoples' accomplishments and cry wolf every time you think something sinister is happening but eventually people will wise up to your diversion and division. You might appear loyal to the Minmatar but you're clearly a traitor to reason. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
567
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Posted - 2016.01.18 23:39:55 -
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Are you losing your mind or something? You guys haven't even been on field with me, other than Khaprice. Well, and a pestering gnat that was buzzing around our impromptu move earlier today. Now, if you care to read what I wrote, maybe two or three times more, maybe you'll note that it was never implied that both sides shot at me. I chose my words with care, implying that any fight I get in that thing pretty quickly turns into a charlie foxtrot rather than any stand-up fight.
You are in dire need of having your panties unbunched, girl. I take the mickey out of you and the rest of your traitorous friends more than enough as it is, without you having to see it where there is none. |
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
429
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Posted - 2016.01.18 23:54:52 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You are in dire need of having your panties unbunched, girl.
And here is your hero, folks, curly tail and all. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
567
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Posted - 2016.01.19 00:01:43 -
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Now now, save the vitriol and tears. If you spend it all in one place, you'll run out. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1598
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Posted - 2016.01.19 00:18:05 -
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*Checks her stocks in popcorn then settles in to watch the rest of the show*
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
429
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Posted - 2016.01.19 00:20:53 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Now now, save the vitriol and tears. If you spend it all in one place, you'll run out.
Laugh all you want but what you are doing is genuinely upsetting. You are hurting me, you are hurting our coalition and you are hurting the Militia. As your peers flock to us, the "us" you're so desperate to define will keep becoming "them" and you'll suddenly find yourself without any bridges left to orbitally bombard with your stupidity. |
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
429
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Posted - 2016.01.19 00:30:15 -
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*sigh* Okay, maybe we're both a little excited here. Mizhara, I don't want to fight you. We don't want to be your enemy. We are trying to do good things here, but your skepticism is completely understandable. Please give us the opportunity to prove our sincerity. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
567
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Posted - 2016.01.19 00:41:16 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Laugh all you want but what you are doing is genuinely upsetting. You are hurting me, you are hurting our coalition and you are hurting the Militia. As your peers flock to us, the "us" you're so desperate to define will keep becoming "them" and you'll suddenly find yourself without any bridges left to orbitally bombard with your stupidity.
Upsetting, is it? I'm sorry, but that is supposed to dissuade me? You and yours made your choices and now you expect these choices to not have consequences. You expect all of New Eden to ignore years of history and actions made in many names and for many causes, and even to ignore the fact that your members are attacking TLF members (combat registries can be looked at for evidence of this), your alliance is attacking our allies (again, combat registries don't lie) and you expect me to care about your feelings?
You want to play the victim because I call you on your own actions?
Oh yes, I'm such a horrible monster. Wielding words at an alliance that wields autocannons, missiles and more at TLF members and GalMil both. I am truly horrendous, holding you accountable for what you have done and what you keep doing to this day. I hurt you as I write on the IGS, not falling for your sob story. I am truly a villain, hmm?
You poor little victim, under such a savage and brutal assault.
I have no words for how much you disgust me, you pitiful little runt.
We have all made poor choices in our capsuleer careers. We have all done the wrong thing for the right reasons or the right thing for the wrong reasons. We've murdered and slaughtered our way across the stars, raining blood down upon the worlds beneath us. I have no will will towards those who have stepped wrong and done harm as I have. I truly loathe, however, you sickening and vile scum who pretend and claim it never happened. That you have done no wrong and deserve no judgment for it.
I placed myself at my clan's mercy and it was not particularly merciful. I will carry my marks of shame for all of New Eden to see, right on my very face, until I have earned the right to claim I have repaid my debts and undone the harm I did to my clan and people through my actions and failure.
Can such a selfish and narcissistic little mind as yours even grasp that concept? Can you even come close to understanding why you represent some of the most loathsome concepts of New Eden to me? You claim victim-hood and cry your measly tears in public because the villainous Mizhara Del'thul speaks words at you, refusing responsibility for anything you have ever done or are doing...
... and you never will, I suspect.
Give me an honest villain any day. Someone who will stand tall and claim their own actions, victories and failures both, as their own. Someone who will take responsibility for their failures as well as their achievements. I may hate their choices but I will respect their honesty and perhaps even forgive and embrace them if they work to fix their mistakes. I don't think you're capable of grasping such a thing though, dishonorable little cur.
Quote:Like *sigh* Okay, maybe we're both a little excited here. Mizhara, I don't want to fight you. We don't want to be your enemy. We are trying to do good things here, but your skepticism is completely understandable. Please give us the opportunity to prove our sincerity.
Should you prove in action that you take responsibility for your history and actions, I certainly would. So far though, your own alliance leaders and members have spoken quite eloquently to further the point that "they don't care." |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1598
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Posted - 2016.01.19 00:44:49 -
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Well, f**k. There goes that olive branch. Guess my stocks in popcorn don't get sold just yet....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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