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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
181
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Posted - 2016.01.15 08:18:01 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Wuzu wrote:[quote=Nitshe Razvedka] That said, and in fear that this may evolve into a Buddhist sermon :) which I am personally not qualified to deliver. I will close this thread for now and thank you all (for and against) for the thoughtful dialog and many good chuckles.
Namaste' Wuzu of Non I would encourage you to continue to post regularly, Eve is a vast diaspora of communities, and your perspective is unique to the C &P Forum. You are another lotus emerging from Eve's muddy water pond. I will offer the same encouragement to you that you offered to Wuzu. Ive enjoyed the exchanges between you two and hope to see posts from both of you.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
279
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Posted - 2016.01.17 08:36:15 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: As is often the case in matters of space lawyering, either poor reading skills or stubborn ignorance are to blame. The situation discussed here is clearly covered in the New Halaima Code of Conduct and even a short evening of studying this would have negated any of this, may I say, insincere, attempt to confuse the citizens of highsec.
From the Code;
"Q. HA HA I am mining ice right now, you can't stop me!
As Supreme Protector, some may expect me to doggedly enforce the rules at all times against all offenders. This is a misperception of my role. Aside from those who have purchased indulgences, I will bump whomever I choose, whenever I choose. Your mining operations are entirely at my mercy. If I feel like stopping you from mining, I will; if not, I won't."
This specific discussion of bumping has been expanded in later documents by James 315 to cover all New Order activities including ganking of both mining ships, freighters and yes, rookie ships and shuttles.
The Agents in Uedama just haven't got around to you yet. Your turn, like all bot aspirants, will come. It will just be when WE choose, not you.
So the CODE is a myth, it doesn't really exist other than for an excuse to gank when they feel like it. |
412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
352
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Posted - 2016.01.17 12:02:42 -
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This...........again........inb4lock
A True Champion of High Security Space
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2016.01.17 18:42:21 -
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412nv Yaken wrote:This...........again........inb4lock I loved hearing about your transport being ganked. Wuzu you were right about karma.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
444
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Posted - 2016.01.18 19:45:30 -
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Avvy wrote:
So the CODE is a myth, it doesn't really exist other than for an excuse to gank when they feel like it.
What I bolded and underlined isn't part of a code, its a get out clause. If you put a get out clause into a code it ceases to be a code and is nothing more than an excuse for doing something.
Citizen, you mistake being in control for needing an excuse....
A myth wouldn't have destroyed over 24 trillion ISK of shipping in three years and accelerating (over 1 trillion already this month). A myth wouldn't have blown up over 124,000 ships and pods since 2013. A myth wouldn't require the locking of every thread that mentions it.
No, what you see in the Code is the effect that "A Big Idea" with several hundred believers enforcing it has on a game DEDICATED to the exploding of spaceships. In what you call the "get out clause", James just clearly informs you of your position in the food pyramid. Which is the bottom without any control over our activities. The gazelle doesn't try to mock the lion "Oh, you are just using hunger as an excuse to kill me". The plankton doesn't tell the whale, "Don't eat us because you NEED us!". No, miners, like algae, exist to be consumed in the creation of content.
It should be very clear to everyone by now that the Code is not an excuse for ganking you.
We don't need an excuse....
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Mobadder Thworst
Strike Force GWU
737
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Posted - 2016.01.18 19:56:03 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:Avvy wrote:
So the CODE is a myth, it doesn't really exist other than for an excuse to gank when they feel like it.
What I bolded and underlined isn't part of a code, its a get out clause. If you put a get out clause into a code it ceases to be a code and is nothing more than an excuse for doing something.
Citizen, you mistake being in control for needing an excuse.... A myth wouldn't have destroyed over 24 trillion ISK of shipping in three years and accelerating (over 1 trillion already this month). A myth wouldn't have blown up over 124,000 ships and pods since 2013. A myth wouldn't require the locking of every thread that mentions it. No, what you see in the Code is the effect that "A Big Idea" with several hundred believers enforcing it has on a game DEDICATED to the exploding of spaceships. In what you call the "get out clause", James just clearly informs you of your position in the food pyramid. Which is the bottom without any control over our activities. The gazelle doesn't try to mock the lion "Oh, you are just using hunger as an excuse to kill me". The plankton doesn't tell the whale, "Don't eat us because you NEED us!". No, miners, like algae, exist to be consumed in the creation of content. It should be very clear to everyone by now that the Code is not an excuse for ganking you. We don't need an excuse....
I have no issue with CODE. I quite like the content. However, I feel sorry for the participants because you have to create both the input and output of your own content.
Your targets are putting almost no effort into it.
I propose the following as a way to end CODE:
If they brought back can flipping, baiting, and cheap wardecs... Yhe Ganking would drop back to a moneymaking scheme.
Yes? |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
445
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:11:39 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:
I have no issue with CODE. I quite like the content. However, I feel sorry for the participants because you have to create both the input and output of your own content.
Your targets are putting almost no effort into it.
In the benefit of everyone, I would love to see CODE end.
I propose the following as a way to end CODE:
If they brought back can flipping, baiting, and cheap wardecs... The Ganking would drop back to a moneymaking scheme instead of the final viable way to create non-consensual player interactions in high-sec.
Yes?
I'm still mad about the end of can flipping. If they brought it back, I would be back flipping cans immediately.
BUT, I would be flipping cans for the Code.
Bringing all the things you list back won't end CODE. It's gotten too big, spread too far and is indelibly written into highsec life. Those of us who have been Agents for years have committed to it beyond a mere game mechanic. The New Order exists to save highsec. The loss of can flipping and awoxing were symptoms of a mind set we formed to fight. That mindset hasn't gone away even if CCP backtracks on their changes to increase the safety of highsec.
In previous posts, you've correctly identified the increase in ganking as a natural result of the nerfing of other means of highsec aggression. However, it is just a tool. You surely remember that our first tool was just bumping into the miners. That tool still exists yet ganking has long surpassed it as the signature method of Code enforcement. Do not confuse what we DO with what we ARE.
Bringing back the old days won't end CODE. It will certainly increase the amount of content creation, interest and fun in highsec. But the New Order, including CODE. is here to stay.
Now that we control highsec, you surely don't expect us to give it back, do you?
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Mobadder Thworst
Strike Force GWU
737
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:57:03 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote:
I have no issue with CODE. I quite like the content. However, I feel sorry for the participants because you have to create both the input and output of your own content.
Your targets are putting almost no effort into it.
In the benefit of everyone, I would love to see CODE end.
I propose the following as a way to end CODE:
If they brought back can flipping, baiting, and cheap wardecs... The Ganking would drop back to a moneymaking scheme instead of the final viable way to create non-consensual player interactions in high-sec.
Yes?
I'm still mad about the end of can flipping. If they brought it back, I would be back flipping cans immediately. BUT, I would be flipping cans for the Code. Bringing all the things you list back won't end CODE. It's gotten too big, spread too far and is indelibly written into highsec life. Those of us who have been Agents for years have committed to it beyond a mere game mechanic. The New Order exists to save highsec. The loss of can flipping and awoxing were symptoms of a mind set we formed to fight. That mindset hasn't gone away even if CCP backtracks on their changes to increase the safety of highsec. In previous posts, you've correctly identified the increase in ganking as a natural result of the nerfing of other means of highsec aggression. However, it is just a tool. You surely remember that our first tool was just bumping into the miners. That tool still exists yet ganking has long surpassed it as the signature method of Code enforcement. Do not confuse what we DO with what we ARE. Bringing back the old days won't end CODE. It will certainly increase the amount of content creation, interest and fun in highsec. But the New Order, including CODE. is here to stay. Now that we control highsec, you surely don't expect us to give it back, do you?
It's just my opinion, but the re-commissioning of the old highsec venues of mayhem would change how we play and the size of our organizations.
I don't think the modern super-MERCs could survive in their current format. The smaller the organization, the more personal the content, IMO. Nobody understands that better the the high-sec pvp'er.
You guys grew out of a protest I also voiced. I get it and I'm sure CODE would sustain in some format. My only argument is that you will change to accommodate more efficient content production techniques... Leaving behind the suicide gank model (mostly).
I was wrong to say it would end CODE, but it would change CODE and highsec for the better.
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:11:55 -
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Every time I read a CODE post its either:
"Look at how many windows I've licked today"
or
"blah blah blah James315 says blah blah blah I'm a hapless parrot blah"
I don't think you are oxygen thieves', but as your mum's would say; "special".
<3
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Mobadder Thworst
Strike Force GWU
738
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:24:46 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Every time I read a CODE post its either:
"Look at how many windows I've licked today"
or
"blah blah blah James315 says blah blah blah I'm a hapless parrot blah"
I don't think you are oxygen thieves', but as your mum's would say; "special".
<3
Have you ever heard the term "projecting"?
when presented with something they don't understand, some people fill the gaps with projections of themselves.
Is it possible that your inability to digest the content on these boards is leaving you with no takeaways besides the inane projections of yourself that you perceive.
I think it was Oscar Wilde who said that art is inherently useless, it is only what of ourselves we see in it that we love.
And so I ask, who is the window licker here?
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2016.01.19 00:21:44 -
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And so I ask, who is the window licker here?[/quote]
Are you referring to your quote of my quote when YOU were projecting? Getting very Kaffkaesque in here. Are you the insect?
Maybe we should have a trial, you said you were guilty of projecting your last words.
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2558
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Posted - 2016.01.19 01:40:59 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Are you referring to your quote of my quote when YOU were projecting? Getting very Kaffkaesque in here. Are you the insect? Maybe we should have a trial, you said you were guilty of projecting your last words.
Post with your main or gtfo! |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
280
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Posted - 2016.01.19 01:54:47 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:Avvy wrote:
So the CODE is a myth, it doesn't really exist other than for an excuse to gank when they feel like it.
What I bolded and underlined isn't part of a code, its a get out clause. If you put a get out clause into a code it ceases to be a code and is nothing more than an excuse for doing something.
Citizen, you mistake being in control for needing an excuse.... A myth wouldn't have destroyed over 24 trillion ISK of shipping in three years and accelerating (over 1 trillion already this month). A myth wouldn't have blown up over 124,000 ships and pods since 2013. A myth wouldn't require the locking of every thread that mentions it. No, what you see in the Code is the effect that "A Big Idea" with several hundred believers enforcing it has on a game DEDICATED to the exploding of spaceships. In what you call the "get out clause", James just clearly informs you of your position in the food pyramid. Which is the bottom without any control over our activities. The gazelle doesn't try to mock the lion "Oh, you are just using hunger as an excuse to kill me". The plankton doesn't tell the whale, "Don't eat us because you NEED us!". No, miners, like algae, exist to be consumed in the creation of content. It should be very clear to everyone by now that the Code is not an excuse for ganking you. We don't need an excuse....
I should have wrote it as code instead of CODE.
I wasn't talking about the organisation, I was talking about the code they follow. |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2016.01.19 06:33:29 -
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Post with your main or gtfo![/quote]
When I read: post with your main or gtfo!
It registers =
"Your mind is brilliant radiating white light, Its truth is burning even my eyes, gtfo before I go blind"
(and I am projecting this)
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2044
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Posted - 2016.01.19 07:56:09 -
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Wuzu wrote:In accordance with the NoN Dharma I only fly rookie ships with no fit Have you tried a freighter with no fit?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3126
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Posted - 2016.01.19 08:00:56 -
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Or a freighter with 1000 unfitted rookie ships ?
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode : Removed an accidental lock. Nothing happened. whistles innocently
Tora Bushido : Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
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Globby
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
308
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Posted - 2016.01.20 05:12:28 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Post with your main or gtfo!
your avatar is a strong muscular man in a tank top ;) |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2016.01.20 10:47:25 -
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Globby wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Post with your main or gtfo! your avatar is a strong muscular man in a tank top ;) For insurance purposes for comps my Aus triathlon card does say "elite athlete", not your typical Eve profile I know, but I'm resting up with shin-splints. So my avatar has an element of truth, unlike others. Or am I a liar just projecting a fantasy. (prob the latter)
or not
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
257
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Posted - 2016.01.20 23:28:52 -
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If doable simply fit up ten Command Destroyers with Micro Jump Drive Generators and warp the intended target around. CODE is easily confused. |
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
183
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Posted - 2016.01.21 00:21:07 -
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Dryson, hate to say this bud but I dont think any of your suggestions on these forums has ever been close to doable.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor tribe Minmatar Republic
768
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Posted - 2016.02.01 11:38:49 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=141127&find=unread
dear op cake is a lie as it always was, link above shows you the real reason for james 315 campain, it's all about th same. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2100
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Posted - 2016.02.01 12:25:09 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:If doable simply fit up ten Command Destroyers with Micro Jump Drive Generators and warp the intended target around. CODE is easily confused. This is almost as good as the Highsec jump bridge network.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Mobadder Thworst
Strike Force GWU
809
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Posted - 2016.02.01 14:15:44 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=141127&find=unread
dear op cake is a lie as it always was, link above shows you the real reason for james 315 campain, it's all about th same.
CAKE is not a lie! It's wonderful, soft, moist, loyal, and accessible goodness that never says no.
Don't you dare besmirch CAKE's good (great) name.
Thanks, Mo |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2016.02.01 15:39:11 -
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Mags (,poor guy hen pecked by 4 women at home,) asked me to post this in the C&P (unts&ricks) forum for repeat effect. Why would I not indulge him (I have expanded on some points to make it fresh):
We were talking about CODE (,a topic not not far from my mind,) bumping and using other naughty exploits.
"Whiney Gankers, esp CODE cultists, feel they can use exploits because a few years game play gives them entitlement to do so.
Ganking Freighters is MACRO style now (an they curse bots).
Bump with NPC alts an send in 29 gankers from a bookmark. Its a formulae now with very little risk for reward.
How much of CODEs 800bill is from this exploit/scam, countless risk free billions.
Does not matter your sec status, if you book mark well with your ganking bot team you can avoid most interdiction.
Even moving concord around like a dance partner is a joke. Manoeuvre them to 150 klicks from intended tgt and you have cut into the response time effectively.
CCP in the interests of player retention knows the figures and needs to adjust the mechanics. James315 is not buying any plex this month. Ignore the Anti-Gank population and see your business model die. Carebeares pay for CCP wages, as such WE have the POWER. Let the UNPAYING gankers log off in hissy protests. Time we flex our muscle above the whiney white noise of the entitled generation of ganker. Force these habitual gankers to experience more of the game; real pvp, incursions, null sec etc.
Changing the bump EXPLOIT does not go far enough. Give us the NPC Trade Hubs in Highsec, lets see how many carebears trade with gankers. Let market forces be market forces. Let the noble people of Iceland standing up to bully boy English (ganking) Bankers be our inspiration.
CCP can't continue to cater to the special needs of a minority, gankers with an obsessive compulsive disorder, no matter how loud their temper tantrums or tear rages. Enough is enough.
I know C&P is a den of ganking filth, BRING IT ON girly boys!!!!!"
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2578
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Posted - 2016.02.01 16:54:55 -
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Btw, some cake would be quite nice right now. |
Zhan Zi
NoN Sangha
2
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Posted - 2016.02.02 07:04:29 -
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Thankyou Wuzu for showing us that CODE is disingenuous.
Who would have thought hat a rookie ship is safe and will always be safe from CODE no matter how many infractions you incur.
Namaste' |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2016.02.02 11:37:05 -
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TLDR Shouldn't this be in the role playing forum or something? |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
717
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Posted - 2016.02.04 21:47:51 -
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Droidster wrote:TLDR Shouldn't this be in the role playing forum or something?
No, the tears over here are of a superior quality.
Excuse me I have to go bookmark a freighter gank
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Mistress Odinessa
The Conference Elite CODE.
5
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Posted - 2016.02.08 17:26:16 -
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I'll just eat my popcorn, I put some fresh salt and butter on it. Goes well with the tears in here. |
Nitshe Razvedka
605
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Posted - 2016.03.04 13:40:16 -
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Is bumping Anti Gank posts an exploit?
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
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