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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4933
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Posted - 2016.01.13 23:36:18 -
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Reposted from CCP_Quant on Reddit.
http://imgur.com/yBtgnvC https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/40srdh/top_ships_used_in_security_missions/
I decided to delve into the data a bit and just focus on Lv4 Security missions.
Top 10 Lv4 Security Ships Tengu, Raven Navy Issue, Rattlesnake, Golem, Dominix, Machariel, Paladin, Raven, Gila, Vargur GÇó Excluded the Noctis (#5)
Top Lv4 Marauders: Golem (#4), Paladin (#8), Vargur (#11), Kronos (#13)
Top Lv4 Pirate Battleships: Rattlesnake (#3), Machariel (#7), Nightmare (#17), Barghest (#18), Vindicator (#39), Bhaalgorn (#130), Nestor (#135)
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1854
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Posted - 2016.01.13 23:53:34 -
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Is the tengu's place in part because of mission running in NPC null?
Caldari master race for 3's/4's?
Also tristan representation in lvl 5's. Yes. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4934
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Posted - 2016.01.14 00:09:12 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Is the tengu's place in part because of mission running in NPC null? I couldn't say to be certain, but it's quite easy to top out 800 DPS - and the Tegnu has a high inherent kinetic and thermal resistance which makes it practical for most missions.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5857
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Posted - 2016.01.14 00:53:35 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Is the tengu's place in part because of mission running in NPC null?
Caldari master race for 3's/4's?
Also tristan representation in lvl 5's. Yes.
Keep in mind that most numerous does not mean "best". For L4 missions, the Tengu is relatively easy to use since it can apply exactly the right damage type, while having either a decent size T2/faction buffer tank or a hefty deadspace/officer active tank, and warps quickly to boot.
The incremental effort required to set up and fly a "better" ship such as a CNR, Machariel, Nightmare, etc, may not be worth it to the folks who just like flying their Tengu. Battleships feel fat and slow compared to a T3 cruiser.
It may also be the case that you can get "good enough" in a Tengu for a lot less SP than are required to be "good enough" in a battleship. Sure, I can deal 1400 DPS in a CNR compared to 750 in the Tengu, but I pay for that DPS in slow-as-molasses warping and sublight movement. Thus the "making ISK by shooting things" alt can be producing a decent amount of ISK without spending valuable time on training.
When it comes to "vegging out" in front of EVE as a substitute for watching The Bold and the Restless with the other half, the Tengu is just easier to cope with (in this pilot's opinion).
For (hisec mission runners like) me, "levelling my tengu" is less frustrating than "levelling my raven."
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Paranoid Loyd
8168
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:10:57 -
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I didn't see any indication of time, if this is for all time it makes plenty of sense for Tengu, as it was much more common to use before they nerfed HMLs.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4934
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:24:10 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I didn't see any indication of time, if this is for all time it makes plenty of sense for Tengu, as it was much more common to use before they nerfed HMLs. I seem to recall one of the comments that indicated it was in the past week.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1854
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:41:41 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I didn't see any indication of time, if this is for all time it makes plenty of sense for Tengu, as it was much more common to use before they nerfed HMLs. I seem to recall one of the comments that indicated it was in the past week. This one seems to confirm that. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
732
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:43:55 -
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All things considered the Tengu is not a bad mission ship. HMLs are a bit low on dps and really constrained to one damage type realistically but nice range, good application make it perfectly serviceable (like missionary). The HAM one is rather interesting though I think as it has what I feel approaches respectable dps, great application, just bad range. That said I am surprised the Mach is so low considering it has same warp speed (with rigs) higher DPS than even hams, better range than hams and generally all round better than the Tengu. The Barghest really deserves to move up a few slots too.
This does however explain how I don't think we'll ever have to worry about people farming SOE LP into the ground. People are just too comfortable with what they're flying and most (not all thank god) are not willing to put in the extra effort to make the most of their time. Very interesting stuff.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4934
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Posted - 2016.01.14 04:51:58 -
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I found it just bizarre that the Bhaalgorn was used more than the Nestor...
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1842
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Posted - 2016.01.14 04:56:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I found it just bizarre that the Bhaalgorn was used more than the Nestor...
At #135 does not seem the Nestor really gets used at all.
Maybe it is just two guys spider tanking in Khanid lowsec.
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
2140
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Posted - 2016.01.14 05:19:16 -
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This makes me wonder how many people are still using Drakes as salvage boats after all this time.
My lord.
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
94
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Posted - 2016.01.14 09:04:12 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Also tristan representation in lvl 5's. Yes.
I believe there are some joke missions like alluring emanations actually having level 5 counterpart which is the same as low level one at everything but reward.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2284
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Posted - 2016.01.14 09:47:28 -
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Tengu ftw
I thought tengus in lvl 5's was old news, i may switch to using that
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
499
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Posted - 2016.01.14 19:39:04 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Is the tengu's place in part because of mission running in NPC null? I couldn't say to be certain, but it's quite easy to top out 800 DPS
With some +6 implants a HAMgu can do 1055 dps to 45km or 700dps to 80km with a single scripted guidance computer and T2 fuel rig.
Personally I fly it from time to time without those implants and still get 936/625 at slightly shorter ranges but with some sensible flying your always able to keep something in range of your highest DPS. It's more effort than an HMLgu but sooo much faster and the great application of it's DPS puts it on a par with a lot of the battleship sized mission running ships (also no worrying about bastion cycles or MJD angles).
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13341
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Posted - 2016.01.14 19:45:12 -
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One note here, Quants numbers are for mission space ENTRY. That's what there are odd ships in some cases. no one runs level 5 missions in Tristans lol. It's also why the Noctis is listed, if a Noctis enters a mission site before the mission is turned in, it appears in Quants Data.
Some of those Tengus going in to lvl 4 missions a hunters looking for kills in null and low sec lvl 4 missions. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13342
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Posted - 2016.01.14 19:53:25 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:One note of clarification here, Quant's numbers are for mission deadspace ENTRY, not just use. That means that a lot of ships in this Data set aren't running missions at all.
That's why there are odd ships in some cases. No one runs level 5 missions in Tristans lol but Tristans are used among other ships to attack lvl 5 mission runners. It's also why the Noctis is listed, if a Noctis enters a mission site before the mission is turned in, it appears in Quants Data. If the mission is already turned in and the Noctis warps to a bookmark for the wrecks, it does not appear in the Data.
Some of those Tengus going in to lvl 4 missions are hunters looking for kills in null and low sec lvl 4 missions. But yea, the Tengu is THE go-to null mission boat still.
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I found it just bizarre that the Bhaalgorn was used more than the Nestor...
Bhaalgorns are used to neut out Carriers in lvl5s and Marauders in 4s and 5s in low and null. Nestors don't get much use outside of incursions and wormholes I think.
Edit2, meant to edit, ended up quoting. But you get the idea lol. |
Voxinian
101
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Posted - 2016.01.15 02:35:39 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: I can deal 1400 DPS in a CNR compared to 750 in the Tengu, but I pay for that DPS in slow-as-molasses warping and sublight movement. Thus the "making ISK by shooting things" alt can be producing a decent amount of ISK without spending valuable time on training. "
Hmm, a sniping BS with MJD and MWD should be faster in L4s then a Tengu is you do it right. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4936
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Posted - 2016.01.15 04:56:38 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Sure, I can deal 1400 DPS in a CNR compared to 750 in the Tengu, but I pay for that DPS in slow-as-molasses warping and sublight movement. I assume the 1400 DPS fit is torpedo-based?
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
986
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Posted - 2016.01.15 15:18:11 -
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Tengu is on there because they are counting DED combat sites.
EDIT: Also, if you look at those numbers, it kind of confirms that blitzing missions to get 100+mil and hour is a niche activity. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13345
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Posted - 2016.01.15 15:32:24 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Tengu is on there because they are counting DED combat sites.
Erm, no they aren't. The graphs and the raw data say "security missions level 1-5". In previous data dumps DED plexes are listed differently.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
986
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Posted - 2016.01.15 16:32:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Tengu is on there because they are counting DED combat sites. Erm, no they aren't. The graphs and the raw data say "security missions level 1-5". In previous data dumps DED plexes are listed differently.
Security Mission Dungeon Entry. Which means they are counting the ships that take the gate. Last I remember, DED combat sites 4/10 and up were considered the same as a L4 mission. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13348
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Posted - 2016.01.15 16:46:55 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Tengu is on there because they are counting DED combat sites. Erm, no they aren't. The graphs and the raw data say "security missions level 1-5". In previous data dumps DED plexes are listed differently. Security Mission Dungeon Entry. Which means they are counting the ships that take the gate. Last I remember, DED combat sites 4/10 and up were considered the same as a L4 mission.
No, if you check Quants Reddit history you will find the various data dumps that will show you how things are labeled, it's pretty consistant with the raw data from this dump. The data base knows the diffence between a security mission dungeon, an incursion dungeon and a 'complex dungeon'. There is even a seperate catagory for COSMOS dungeons. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
249
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Posted - 2016.01.15 16:59:19 -
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As someone who uses a domi in L4s, part of me would like it to have been a little more common but the rattlesnake is competing with it as a drone boat.
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2016.01.15 17:15:42 -
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Linna Excel wrote:As someone who uses a domi in L4s, part of me would like it to have been a little more common but the rattlesnake is competing with it as a drone boat. Quietly now. We play Nurfies with CCP. Winners get bashed till they fall into the bottom. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
732
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Posted - 2016.01.15 18:59:55 -
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Leila Meurtrier wrote:Linna Excel wrote:As someone who uses a domi in L4s, part of me would like it to have been a little more common but the rattlesnake is competing with it as a drone boat. Quietly now. We play Nurfies with CCP. Winners get bashed till they fall into the bottom. My efforts to get the Mach nerfed has been fruitless so far so I wouldn't worry too much.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
986
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Posted - 2016.01.15 19:57:48 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Tengu is on there because they are counting DED combat sites. Erm, no they aren't. The graphs and the raw data say "security missions level 1-5". In previous data dumps DED plexes are listed differently. Security Mission Dungeon Entry. Which means they are counting the ships that take the gate. Last I remember, DED combat sites 4/10 and up were considered the same as a L4 mission. No, if you check Quants Reddit history you will find the various data dumps that will show you how things are labeled, it's pretty consistant with the raw data from this dump. The data base knows the diffence between a security mission dungeon, an incursion dungeon and a 'complex dungeon'. There is even a seperate catagory for COSMOS dungeons.
Interesting. After reading through all those quotes I noticed that the data doesn't take into account ships warping out and reentering; or multiple ships doing the mission. So while it is some nice graph pRon, it's not entirely accurate.
But it does pretty much show that mission blitzing is a niche activity. |
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2016.01.15 20:26:12 -
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Haha nice. I fly a Napoc for level 4s, its not even on the board!
I guess, I'm doing it wrong!
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1856
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Posted - 2016.01.15 21:43:50 -
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Ginnie wrote:Haha nice. I fly a Napoc for level 4s, its not even on the board!
I guess, I'm doing it wrong! So long as your ship comes back intact (or not if that's your thing) and you like what you fly I'd argue there is no wrong think to fly. Though in the case of the Napoc there are certainly more efficient options.
But lasers are cool and that makes it ok IMHO. |
King Aires
Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels
90
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Posted - 2016.01.16 00:10:29 -
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Interesting. They are tracking things so closely they know how many of each ship enters each and every mission deadspace, but the logs show nothing when brain in a box goes nuts and all modules end up offline after jumping a gate or a ship swap in space leaves a squad commander with the inability to transfer boosts, warp squad or see anyone on watch list.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4937
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Posted - 2016.01.16 05:04:41 -
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Jumping through a gate periodically rendered modules offline prior to Brain-in-a-box, so this isn't anything new.
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