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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.24 16:36:00 -
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I was in the help chanel and some guy asked about the best frig in the game, I have to say sabre, and he (helping dude) was like check kill boards ect. To me that sounds a bit silly, I meen bubling 30 + people in one swift motion will not get your sabre on kill mails but it can turn the tide of battle. Top that sabre with rigs quick enough to aviode alot of tracking, a medium extender (or even 2) and a shed load of damge with a web and scram to match...... and you have something that can buble the enemay then fly off get out and kill of support around your own bs. I flew inties for a long long time and not much else bar afs and the dont even come close/ A sabre has the dps of a blaster ranis but a range up to 18k with 200 autos (and still hurts nossed) the speed/agilty of a gista crow with the right fitting/riggs. Using a 20k scram means if u need to you can move outside web range and still hit. The crow will alays remain better in orbit but as a whole I do not see how any other inty/frig comes close for solo/team play as regards to tackling and anti tackle.
Last night I got a lucky break, for once people actually where jumping into us (normally its always the other way round) and I was on anti tackle duty till bs crept outside ancherd bubles, in the fight we have a few dictors around 4 and a crow v 20 incoming suport frigs of wich 10 are inties and then a mix of afs and t1 frigs with one sabre, Only one of the incoming friggets made it out the battle alive and we lost onle the flycatcher (rest where sabres). The speed and agilty of a well setup sabre rocks and in easliy enough to catch orbitting inties. Is there anyone here that thinks there is a better all round frig?
Dont get me wrong either I love flying a crow more then a sabre but its got no where near the same pottential.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari VSP Corp. R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.24 16:41:00 -
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Sabre is an Interdictor which are based on Destroyer class ships so therefore it cant be the best frig. Yeah I am a pirate.What are you gonna do about it? |
SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.24 16:49:00 -
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well most people including the guys in the channel count them in the same class just as an inty is still a frig and , out of inties , dictors and t1 frigs it seems to be da dadda
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari VSP Corp. R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.24 16:52:00 -
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Ok Interdictors and Destroyers are not frigates.And there is no such thing as Best Frigate because there are always tons of variables on which this opinion is based and there is a chance you can setup a frig to counter any other frig. Yeah I am a pirate.What are you gonna do about it? |
SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.24 17:06:00 -
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Ill take that as a no them, I think most people get the gist of the amzing amount of setting available, with the current rigs and speed being the main factor in alot of situatuions, be it getting on a bs to tackle or one v one shield tankers work alot better, this makes the sabre and crow stand out more in the latest patch. Differnet settings/ situations,
roaming gang./ shall I bring my crow or dictor, 99 percent of people will answer .. dictor!
fleet ops, we need as many fleet bs / dictors as we can,
Personal fights, I take on 8 firgs/ 4 inties 4 frigs, those that dont die run, try the same in an af and you have half a chance but no chance to control the fight (ie crap speed)
Fighting bigger stuff. strapp on 2 extendes 150s 2 damge mods, not many afs will hold onto that or t1 cruisers
for pvp, I just dont see any other frig having a look in.
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Tisanta
Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
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Posted - 2007.01.24 17:06:00 -
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Best frig= Punisher by far no other can beat it 1v1 ---
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Dario Wall
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.24 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tisanta Best frig= Punisher by far no other can beat it 1v1
With good skills it's near unbeatable 1v1 as far as T1 frigs go.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari VSP Corp. R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.24 17:10:00 -
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Of course in 0.0 people are gonna tell you to bring an Interdictor because bubbles are a must have in a 0.0 gate camp if you want to kill a pod/shuttle/any other fast warping target that is jumping through your gate.However a properly setup Assault Frigate can kill a Sabre. Yeah I am a pirate.What are you gonna do about it? |
SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.24 17:16:00 -
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properly setup af v properly setup sabre for af killing is very close,. but an af alone .. even a wolf is so slow... its not going to aviode damge from both ravens and tracking ships in a fleet fight, and its going to take a painfully long time to close any amount of distance, Ive used them agasint fleets solo with and ab and defenders killing inties before they get a web on but your very limmitted to what you can, sabre does everything in one, big damge nice defence , big speed web scram and buble
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Nyck
Graveyard Shift
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Posted - 2007.01.25 13:42:00 -
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You never asked how many Ravens an AF could tank while taking on a dictor. Your arguement gets worse and worse. Besides all that, the dictor is still not a frig, so try to stay on your own topic.
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Kyozoku
Mutiny.
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Posted - 2007.01.25 14:22:00 -
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The best frig is the one I am in at any given time. Unfortunately other players do not have access to it.
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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.25 14:48:00 -
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well for mr nit picky, out of all the inties, frigs afs, destroyers and dictors, what comes close to sabre for all out rawness in pvp?
name a ship you think is better for all_round pvp, solo and for in gang., can u doit ?, cos Ive seen no af that can tank a properly set up raven, esp if they run noss and t2 drones. v 8 outbreak ravens I thinhk your af would melt, but in the dictor np if your running the speed. I think you love afs for damge and tank. thats great, I like mine too but they cant capture 30 people in a buble, they cant get from a to b fast and will be cought by almost any mwd frig in a fleet fight and I can see an inty taking out an af solo (done this as have many peeps) but try killing a sabre in an inty...., if an af is taking on a double damge double extender sabre they only stand a decent chance with hi damge close range guns, and since they are slow as hell, u have something small slow and with crap range.
like I say I have flown afs inties for yonkies,. I got a sabre and life for me got a stink load better, the buble alone is amazsing but the speed of a sabre with rigs (even withught snakes) can get you over 6pks easy, so your carrying all the damge of an af with a good passive tank at 6kps still with the abbility to scram and web. Think about long range inties.... how many of them will sacrifice speed if they bring in a tank and rigs ( ie you need to be shield extending) cos rigs = - your armor and fitting plates makes you slow and u loose a speed mod, so that leaves you with crow, stilleto, ranis meladicton, and after all that u have to then choose between a web or scram., which is not cool. If you dont fit the extender it takes 2 vollyies from a loane sniper eagle to pimp you (unless you can match very silly speeds but even then you still have to orbit to tackle... and loose speed)
I hope dave relases a vid soon, ull see exactly what I meen by intyx 10 _ afs and t1 frigs v 3 sabres one flycatcher and inty
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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kyozoku The best frig is the one I am in at any given time. Unfortunately other players do not have access to it.
what is its name, aware of most special firgs, got atleast one /.. and why is it? your fav.
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Amouder Dis
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: SwindonBadger
Originally by: Kyozoku The best frig is the one I am in at any given time. Unfortunately other players do not have access to it.
what is its name, aware of most special firgs, got atleast one /.. and why is it? your fav.
owned.
destroyer class vessels are not frigates. sorry bud.
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SmokeMeAKipper
Kipper Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:45:00 -
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I think he means that whatever frig he jumps in will beat all others - even if it is a probe
to the OP: rifter is also an awesome frig btw - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:00:00 -
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ayi rifter is about as good as it gets t1, Im talking one v one on any other frig/ (for those that really dont get the gist of me typing and dictors about 3 times now in fact .. yawn, owned? you'll only going to own if you can name a better tackler, all Im trying to do is find out if there is a better all round tackler) but also in gang, small and big, gate camp open fleet camp and can still pawn one v one on pritty much any other frig, inty dictor, yawn yawn,,,,, if you cant state a ship name for .. yawn yanw a dictor, af, inty or t1 frig.,, or something constructive to the point of finding the best thing out there for tackling gang in those classes.. go eat squid .
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Mirotsu Tobi
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:24:00 -
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I really wish you'd use the word "yawn" more in your posts.
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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mirotsu Tobi I really wish you'd use the word "yawn" more in your posts.
yawn,, thanks,
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Gamesguy
Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.25 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tisanta Best frig= Punisher by far no other can beat it 1v1
A MWD kessie with 4 standards can beat a bleeder punisher setup. Sit outside 15km or so and spam missiles at it, it'll go down soon enough.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.25 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: SwindonBadger well most people including the guys in the channel count them in the same class just as an inty is still a frig and , out of inties , dictors and t1 frigs it seems to be da dadda
Saying a destroyer is like a frig is like saying a bc is a cruiser,they might use the same weapons but that are two different classes.
As for the best tackling frig i'd have to say stiletto,it is best at doing its job due to the 4 mids,claw is best for getting there fast and tackling,but only has 2 mids.
The stabber can also tackle,to a smaller degree than an inty but has more hitpoints also. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. |
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Draugz
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.25 18:23:00 -
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Saw a crow doing 11km/s , must work out pretty well for tackling.
Damn speed rigs.
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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.25 19:37:00 -
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ayi, inty pilot I know does 17 kps now with rigs....its very quick, another who goes 11 kps in sabre (snakes) its very fast and both avoide tracking only that when u tackle in the inty you have to go into orbit ect, drop speed and stay in L nos (ok withought nice faction scram) and possably web range, a 10 kps dictor should even with the slow down or dropping a buble be able to do a drive by , drop the buble and get out again with exception of maybe huggins since the 20k of space where u can be webbed by an enemy ship is delt within 2 seconds.
as for stabbers /vaggas. they do aviodedamge quite a bit at speed but if its alot of well set up tracking bs they wont stand much of a chance getting to tackle v a fast crow or sabre.
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L33t Sphere
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:00:00 -
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Best tackler is a Scorpion. You can ECM ships every which way and 20km scramble several at once, in any sec, not just 0.0
If you want to count destroyers and interdictors as tacklers then I'll put this on.
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kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:25:00 -
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incursus. personal prefereance.
however the rifter is fairly hardcore. and the punisher is like a rock. but when it comes to takleing the merlin is king
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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:50:00 -
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incursus rifter very sweet, merlin bit of a slow boat but can take some punishment as for a scope tackler, its ok if ur stationary and your targets within 20k but in a fleet fight ull be called primary and not be able to travel the 100 K needed, hence why a dictor is still in my mind a frig (not just that it uses the same guns) it handlees and is the size almost of a frig (with rigs for handeling) has the sig radiuose close to a frig then a cruiser, (battle cruiser and cruiser comparison alsmot the same, u can do a bit more in a bc but your not using the next step up on guns and ur much closer to a cruser with latest patch for speed handeling and sig). The only bs that comes to mind for fleet fight tackle is a nanno phoon, at least you can make it to a target far away and hopefull track alot of damge on the way in but you wont turn like the small stuff when needed.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.25 21:04:00 -
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Stabber is pretty nice in the T1 world. Has abit more staying power and some DPS.
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Rudy Metallo
Minmatar G.H.O.S.T
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Posted - 2007.01.25 22:07:00 -
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Stiletto is by far a better tackler, if that's what you're looking for. But the Sabre is a very good ship, that is true.
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.01.25 22:31:00 -
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Daredevil - tackles well, and you look good doing it!
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.01.25 22:36:00 -
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One of the best tacklers in larger engagements is the vagabond.
It moves at interceptor speeds, has 300-350 dps to kill enemy tacklers in seconds, it's 1k cap takes a while to nos dry and it's 9k shields protect it from damage.
Slow locktime is not an issue in a larger scale engagement.
For gates, i'd say Stiletto and Sabre.
Minmatar are speed kings - what do you expect? :D
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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2007.01.25 23:05:00 -
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ayi, mimi has it good atm, part of my post I recon, and a vagga is about all I can think of that Id want to fly above dictor class for tackle in fleet, I hope if I get to come back to eve I fly one!, I went down the gallent ranis, then crow route (would love claw but 2 mids sucks :( and stilleto doesnt do it for me... (I know they can rock but just not my taste) but once I got pawned 2 times by a sabre in my fast long range setting ranis even with some 20 secs of me hitting him and him still closing,,.. I meen how slow is a catalyst,, hated it,, but this thing was gaining on me nicly and kills me in 2, maybe 3 vollys.... (I was at this point 4 days of a dictor but only cos corp was asking for dictor pilots) , so then I try blaster ranis on a corp mate, both nutrons and tank electrons..... no way good enough! Now .. after patch anything that shield tanks gets a massive head start on the tank/speed setup, so I look at mimi and I switch all my training, I have not looked back since I got my first sabre (tried an erris once,,, arghhh),, I have to fly a vagga to judge it (wanted to uber out a demos for that kind of lying but heh,, even with rigs slowwwww ) but I think your able to get in better with a dictor buble and get out then orbit and tackle one, maybe 2 peeps, even if u get jammed and you die in a dictor the buble is down and they aint going nowhere ,you get to watch it in your pod (though for all those that have died in there own buble )
but yee vagga way better id say for tackling when you cant buble esp v noss
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