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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fubear The DEVs don't care. They have refused to even acknowledge that this is an issue even though people have been complaining about it for almost a year now.
There are some very simple fixes that can be put in place to resolve the issue, but it is simply being ignored.
Remember the fix for instas was simple, elegant, could not have taken long to implement, did not break the game and was blatantly obvious. However it took two years of *****ing and moaning about them before anything was changed. Even then it was because instas were causing a massive performance problem and nothing to do with broken gameplay.
You obviously missed Oveurs Q&A Session during the fanfest.
We DO care it annoys us as much as it does you guys. The fix is NOT simple, so please, don't assume it is.
I suggested remapping CTRL+Q to EJECT but ejecting doesn't work if cloaked (yes, that was a joke) ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon You obviously missed Oveurs Q&A Session during the fanfest.
We DO care it annoys us as much as it does you guys. The fix is NOT simple, so please, don't assume it is.
I suggested remapping CTRL+Q to EJECT but ejecting doesn't work if cloaked (yes, that was a joke)
Can I suggest, for a start, that the endless stream of whine threads about this gets stopped? Few locky clickys maybe?
Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon I suggested remapping CTRL+Q to EJECT
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Flyyn
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:23:00 -
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So I take it you all have not heard of the new boards? Not kill boards but whinage board...
Here is how it works, find a good target. Usally looking at various kill boards for the top rated killer will do. Go looking for said target, find his location and head out. Now you can either log off, or fit WCS to your BS, but the result must be the same.
He must come here and whine about not getting to kill you. And the more reponces he gets in his thread the more points you get. All and all makes Eve a rather fun game.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:23:00 -
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So Jiekon, enlighten us, what are you guys thinking about to stop it? Whats stopping you from implementing it?
"We dont like it and were working on it" ceased to be effective to shush the community about 2 years ago.
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dantes inferno
Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:24:00 -
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simple fix for you...
remove the ctrl + q function..no short cut keys for logging off make it do you have to hit escape..then select quit game..with a 3 second delay then select yes im sure i want to quit game...then it takes a futher 5 seconds to quit the game. wont affect people who leave under normal circumstances..will affect those who log in combat
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:25:00 -
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Please bear with my noob ignorance, but my understanding was that "loggoffski" only works if the pilot does not yet have an aggression timer when hitting Ctrl+Q... in other words, they haven't been shot yet. Is that accurate?
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Ankanos
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:27:00 -
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does anyone ever post something positive anymore?
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Stede Bonnet
Minmatar Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ankanos
does anyone ever post something positive anymore?
-ank
2 + 2 = 4
All three numbers are positive!
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Mystii
Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon I suggested remapping CTRL+Q to EJECT but ejecting doesn't work if cloaked (yes, that was a joke)
One of the better recent dev posts tbh. Almost as good as LeMonde's NanoNaglfar.
Logging off when in a bubble or to avoid combat is very annoying i'll agree, but saying the devs don't care is a mistake. They made this game, im pretty sure they care enough to keep the community happy and playing the game. Obviously they do, per Oveurs comments at the fanfest.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow So Jiekon, enlighten us, what are you guys thinking about to stop it? Whats stopping you from implementing it?
"We dont like it and were working on it" ceased to be effective to shush the community about 2 years ago.
What he said. (Although I haven't been here two years. )
In any case, just knowing something about the ideas you're kicking around, the direction you'd like to go, and maybe even when, would be great. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Fubear The DEVs don't care. They have refused to even acknowledge that this is an issue even though people have been complaining about it for almost a year now.
There are some very simple fixes that can be put in place to resolve the issue, but it is simply being ignored.
Remember the fix for instas was simple, elegant, could not have taken long to implement, did not break the game and was blatantly obvious. However it took two years of *****ing and moaning about them before anything was changed. Even then it was because instas were causing a massive performance problem and nothing to do with broken gameplay.
You obviously missed Oveurs Q&A Session during the fanfest.
We DO care it annoys us as much as it does you guys. The fix is NOT simple, so please, don't assume it is.
I suggested remapping CTRL+Q to EJECT but ejecting doesn't work if cloaked (yes, that was a joke)
Well lets see, alot of us did'nt go to iceland in the middle of the winter to attend the fanfest. So a Q&A held at the fanfest would not get out to say....95% of the players....So enlighten the mass players of the plans...or are you not telling because the possible backlash from the Empire based players.
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Shao Daar
United Alliance Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:36:00 -
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Yey! Another "ctrl-q" post. Praise be to the Lords Of EVE, who in their infinite wisdom, replied in this thread.
(Sorry, while I AM sarcastic about the thread, I really like EVE DEVs, and myself, I knew they were aware of the issue for quite some time.)
PS. Stop ganking people at gates, perhaps that'll help?
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:39:00 -
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I'm not allowed to go into much details but i can assure you that your thoughts that we are sittin here saying "ha! we don't care about people logging off" couldn't be further from the truth.
I liked some of the ideas that have kicked around the forums, i also liked some other MMO's way of logging out "right click, log out, please wait 60 seconds while you leave the game OH NO I GOT SHOT timer resets, you pew pew someone, right click, log out, wait 60 seconds, GONE" If you don't do it this way, you stay logged in for 5-10-15 minutes or whatever.
Now this is only my personal view, i can't speak for any other dev or say "yeah, this is the way it's gonna be done" These things need analysing, what happens if we do this, who is affected if we do that. so if this happens...then...."
Something will happen, i jsut don't know what, or when. Sorry! ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Fubear The DEVs don't care. They have refused to even acknowledge that this is an issue even though people have been complaining about it for almost a year now.
There are some very simple fixes that can be put in place to resolve the issue, but it is simply being ignored.
Remember the fix for instas was simple, elegant, could not have taken long to implement, did not break the game and was blatantly obvious. However it took two years of *****ing and moaning about them before anything was changed. Even then it was because instas were causing a massive performance problem and nothing to do with broken gameplay.
You obviously missed Oveurs Q&A Session during the fanfest.
We DO care it annoys us as much as it does you guys. The fix is NOT simple, so please, don't assume it is.
I suggested remapping CTRL+Q to EJECT but ejecting doesn't work if cloaked (yes, that was a joke)
Well lets see, alot of us did'nt go to iceland in the middle of the winter to attend the fanfest. So a Q&A held at the fanfest would not get out to say....95% of the players....So enlighten the mass players of the plans...or are you not telling because the possible backlash from the Empire based players.
that's why we had EvETV broadcasting. ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Anna Grahm
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon The fix is NOT simple, so please, don't assume it is.
Sure it is.
Ban everyone that logs out at any time for any reason. Then whiners will get what they want.
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Anna Grahm
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon that's why we had EvETV broadcasting.
Link to transcript?
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Roshan longshot
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Fubear The DEVs don't care. They have refused to even acknowledge that this is an issue even though people have been complaining about it for almost a year now.
There are some very simple fixes that can be put in place to resolve the issue, but it is simply being ignored.
Remember the fix for instas was simple, elegant, could not have taken long to implement, did not break the game and was blatantly obvious. However it took two years of *****ing and moaning about them before anything was changed. Even then it was because instas were causing a massive performance problem and nothing to do with broken gameplay.
You obviously missed Oveurs Q&A Session during the fanfest.
We DO care it annoys us as much as it does you guys. The fix is NOT simple, so please, don't assume it is.
I suggested remapping CTRL+Q to EJECT but ejecting doesn't work if cloaked (yes, that was a joke)
Well lets see, alot of us did'nt go to iceland in the middle of the winter to attend the fanfest. So a Q&A held at the fanfest would not get out to say....95% of the players....So enlighten the mass players of the plans...or are you not telling because the possible backlash from the Empire based players.
that's why we had EvETV broadcasting.
You sir, deserver a drink.
Next time your in the Seattle (more specifically kent) Washignton area, send me an eve-mail.
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Hektor Ramirez
Outer Ring Tourist Information Center
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ankanos does anyone ever post something positive anymore?
I've finally had a rat drop a neat named medium armor repairer for my ratting ship and it made me happy because there's none on the market here -
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Portios Smith
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Pixie Please bear with my noob ignorance, but my understanding was that "loggoffski" only works if the pilot does not yet have an aggression timer when hitting Ctrl+Q... in other words, they haven't been shot yet. Is that accurate?
Yes.
The problem is some people in 0.0 use it to travel in full safety.
Lets say you jump trough a gate in a Raven and you forgot your stabs, before you uncloak you see a Megathron on the other side. He is in scarm range and you are sitting in a pool of your own pee. What to do? Log off while still cloaked by the gate jump. you will disapear in about a minute and there is nothing that ebil Megathron can do about it.
All because locking/scrambling/damaging the ship of some one who CTRL+Q before he was locked/hit does not reset the log off timer.
I dont buy this "the solution is not simple" if a player ship is under attack by another player it shouln't just disapear
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:05:00 -
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Holy, Jiekon FTMFW!
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:09:00 -
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"Let's not get into the whole "ctrl-q is the only defense against gatecamps" thing again please.It's not, you are an [insert derogatory remark here], you are not fit to be playing Eve."
No LETS GET INTO IT, because it is the major flaw plaguing eve PVP. Losers spawn camping places where people load in having no idea WTF they are walking into, which losers will set up unavoidable death traps on the other side. So it is and if you value the ability to create these spawn camps of death then you are not fit to play EVE so quit now and please give me your stuff on the way out kthxbye!
Because the moment CCP fixes the abilty to log out to escape these camps people will stop traveling, then you will be here WHINING like the gimptard you are that there isnt enough people in 0.0 anymore, and you need CCP to force everyone out into 0.0 to be slaughtered in some retarded bubble camp.
The PROBLEM is the lame ass gate camping, spawn camping garbage excuse for PVP in eve. THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, the moment CCP fixes it by developing some proper enviroments for pvp to occur in or develops some more appropriate mechanics to allow for pvp to occur somewhere besides camping a spawn in point is the EXACT SAME MOMENT they can impose an appropriate log out mechanism.
to be freaking honest people should be 100% immune to EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING for 15 secs after spawning in a new system, with all their mods disabled until that timer wears off, just like every other credible PVP game, so losers cannot spawn camp.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Portios Smith
Originally by: Blue Pixie Please bear with my noob ignorance, but my understanding was that "loggoffski" only works if the pilot does not yet have an aggression timer when hitting Ctrl+Q... in other words, they haven't been shot yet. Is that accurate?
Yes.
The problem is some people in 0.0 use it to travel in full safety.
Lets say you jump trough a gate in a Raven and you forgot your stabs, before you uncloak you see a Megathron on the other side. He is in scarm range and you are sitting in a pool of your own pee. What to do? Log off while still cloaked by the gate jump. you will disapear in about a minute and there is nothing that ebil Megathron can do about it.
All because locking/scrambling/damaging the ship of some one who CTRL+Q before he was locked/hit does not reset the log off timer.
I dont buy this "the solution is not simple" if a player ship is under attack by another player it shouln't just disapear
Thank you. That's what I thought.
I guess I can somewhat understand the frustration of the "anti-logoffski" crowd, but I'd be a heck of lot more sympathetic if pilots were using this "technique" after engaging in combat. As it stands, sounds a bit like of an overreaction if you ask me.
Perhaps a compromise would be increasing the downtime between logging out and logging back in? "Logoffski" enthusiasts would still get to save their ship(s), but at least suffer an inconvenience. I dunno... anything much harsher than that would seem unfair to those who crashed to desktop or dropped connection. I'm assuming that's where the real problem lies; that the server can't distinguish between the two?
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 24/01/2007 20:30:04 Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 24/01/2007 20:27:55
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Let's not get into the whole "ctrl-q is the only defense against gatecamps" thing again please.It's not, you are an [insert derogatory remark here], you are not fit to be playing Eve."
No LETS GET INTO IT, because it is the major flaw plaguing eve PVP. Losers spawn camping places where people load in having no idea WTF they are walking into, which losers will set up unavoidable death traps on the other side. So it is and if you value the ability to create these spawn camps of death then you are not fit to play EVE so quit now and please give me your stuff on the way out kthxbye!
Because the moment CCP fixes the abilty to log out to escape these camps people will stop traveling, then you will be here WHINING like the gimptard you are that there isnt enough people in 0.0 anymore, and you need CCP to force everyone out into 0.0 to be slaughtered in some retarded bubble camp.
The PROBLEM is the lame ass gate camping, spawn camping garbage excuse for PVP in eve. THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, the moment CCP fixes it by developing some proper enviroments for pvp to occur in or develops some more appropriate mechanics to allow for pvp to occur somewhere besides camping a spawn in point is the EXACT SAME MOMENT they can impose an appropriate log out mechanism.
to be freaking honest people should be 100% immune to EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING for 15 secs after spawning in a new system, with all their mods disabled until that timer wears off, just like every other credible PVP game, so losers cannot spawn camp.
People search and battle belts, and at gates, because this is where players tend to be...what do you propose instead ?
If you think a gatecamp is frustrating..gang up, get some mates an blast your way out of there...EVE is not supposed to be a single player game.
Its boring to sit at a gate all day..dont know why poeple do it...other than loot or protecting system/region.
And no imunity should aply in this game..other than that we allready have, from clocking after a jump or when existing stations. A wise solution is, dont ever fly a ship you cannot afford to loose.
Gate campers can be overcome..use your friends and wits
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Coran Ordus
Radiant With Terror
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Pixie
Perhaps a compromise would be increasing the downtime between logging out and logging back in? "Logoffski" enthusiasts would still get to save their ship(s), but at least suffer an inconvenience. I dunno... anything much harsher than that would seem unfair to those who crashed to desktop or dropped connection. I'm assuming that's where the real problem lies; that the server can't distinguish between the two?
That is the basic problem, yes. The downtime between logout/login would have to be prohibitively long for it to make anyone care, and that would be very unpleasant for anyone who just crashed or needed to go pee.
To make things worse, many people are more than happy to powercycle their modem or yank their cord, creating a condition that a) can't be tied to the quit button and b) is basically impossible to distinguish from actually losing the connection. Which people should not be punished for, in an ideal world. In the real one, it might come to that.
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LordChaos
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Let's not get into the whole "ctrl-q is the only defense against gatecamps" thing again please.It's not, you are an [insert derogatory remark here], you are not fit to be playing Eve."
No LETS GET INTO IT, because it is the major flaw plaguing eve PVP. Losers spawn camping places where people load in having no idea WTF they are walking into, which losers will set up unavoidable death traps on the other side. So it is and if you value the ability to create these spawn camps of death then you are not fit to play EVE so quit now and please give me your stuff on the way out kthxbye!
Because the moment CCP fixes the abilty to log out to escape these camps people will stop traveling, then you will be here WHINING like the gimptard you are that there isnt enough people in 0.0 anymore, and you need CCP to force everyone out into 0.0 to be slaughtered in some retarded bubble camp.
The PROBLEM is the lame ass gate camping, spawn camping garbage excuse for PVP in eve. THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, the moment CCP fixes it by developing some proper enviroments for pvp to occur in or develops some more appropriate mechanics to allow for pvp to occur somewhere besides camping a spawn in point is the EXACT SAME MOMENT they can impose an appropriate log out mechanism.
to be freaking honest people should be 100% immune to EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING for 15 secs after spawning in a new system, with all their mods disabled until that timer wears off, just like every other credible PVP game, so losers cannot spawn camp.
you really have no idea what eve is about :)
if i own a 0.0 region i can do wtf i want gate camp setup bubbles,same goes vice versa
people still logout if one target is on gate rdy to attack em.
NPCers logout as soon as they see a hostile appear in local.
u want to know what the only defense against gatecamps should be?
a Scout :) always comes in handy
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:35:00 -
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Carebear: "But it's the only way to avoid a gate camp."
Camper: "No it's not."
Carebear: "Well, what else could I do?"
Camper: "Um, er, uh... use an alt scout."
I keep reading these threads, parly out of boredom and morbid curiosity, but mostly because I hope to see more info. and less flaming.
Sorry to say it, but if you're a "camper" it'd really help to look at it from a "logger" point of view for a second. They don't like the inconvenience of having to log off main / log on / scout around / log off / log on ... any more than campers like the inconvenience of actually having to fly around seeking targets to kill. Why go through that inconvenience? So... your territory stays intact and/or your kill count goes up a hair? What's in it for them, exactly?
Now, this is not to say logging off is the right thing to do. It's just commenting on the swarm of people saying "use tactics to escape camps", but offering a distinct lack of alternative tactics, aside from "scouting".
And it's been said already, but you know once CCP "fixes" this problem, and people start using alt scouts, the whine thread du jour will be "CCP needs to get rid of alts". And from a lot of the same players, you just know it.
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 24/01/2007 20:38:57
Originally by: Angellyne Carebear: "But it's the only way to avoid a gate camp."
Camper: "No it's not."
Carebear: "Well, what else could I do?"
Camper: "Um, er, uh... use an alt scout."
I keep reading these threads, parly out of boredom and morbid curiosity, but mostly because I hope to see more info. and less flaming.
Sorry to say it, but if you're a "camper" it'd really help to look at it from a "logger" point of view for a second. They don't like the inconvenience of having to log off main / log on / scout around / log off / log on ... any more than campers like the inconvenience of actually having to fly around seeking targets to kill. Why go through that inconvenience? So... your territory stays intact and/or your kill count goes up a hair? What's in it for them, exactly?
Now, this is not to say logging off is the right thing to do. It's just commenting on the swarm of people saying "use tactics to escape camps", but offering a distinct lack of alternative tactics, aside from "scouting".
And it's been said already, but you know once CCP "fixes" this problem, and people start using alt scouts, the whine thread du jour will be "CCP needs to get rid of alts". And from a lot of the same players, you just know it.
Not true...you dont need to use an alt to scout for you...get a buddy to do it for you...use the map..talk to players in region...get organized.
Log off to safe ship destroys the gameplay...EVE is not a single player game.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.01.24 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon Something will happen, i jsut don't know what, or when. Sorry!
Just like how Amarr is getting that little something extra, or the Nidhoggur's bonus is getting "looked at".
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.24 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 24/01/2007 20:58:53
Originally by: Angellyne
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Not true...you dont need to use an alt to scout for you...get a buddy to do it for you...use the map..talk to players in region...get organized.
Log off to safe ship destroys the gameplay...EVE is not a single player game.
Agreed. "Fly with friends" is the best alternative there is, but ... presumably if they wanted to travel with friends, they'd already be doing so. Point is, I just don't see any alternatives that outweigh the convenience of running some gauntlet knowing a quick "ctrl-Q" will save you. And no amount of flaming or chest-pounding about honor or immersion-breakage is likely to change that.
Originally by: Jiekon Something will happen, i jsut don't know what, or when. Sorry!
Just noticing how similar that quote is to "We're sorry, something happened."
A log timer...that lets your ship stay in place for 2 minutes...when you log EVE would be a start...only problem i can think of is when someone is loosing connection.
BTW....for me it has nothing to do with honour....EVE is a persistent universe..with dangers and consequences. If you dont like that notion..you are in the wrong game..and should be looking for a singleplayer game, were there is a save option...im not flaming you
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