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Triakis Cadelanne
Disciples of Aphrodite The Glory Holers
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Posted - 2016.01.16 18:23:32 -
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which costs about 5M ISK, can perma jam any frigate / destroyer sized ship at 80km ? I don't get it. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
240
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Posted - 2016.01.16 18:25:57 -
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what's the problem if you can do the same? o.O
Just Add Water
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Triakis Cadelanne
Disciples of Aphrodite The Glory Holers
38
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Posted - 2016.01.16 18:33:47 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:what's the problem if you can do the same? o.O
The fact that it's game breaker and remove anything intresting from the fight ?
+ the fact that everybody isn't able to skill a Griffin alt. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1674
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Posted - 2016.01.16 18:40:16 -
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Steady on mate, off grid boosts havent been removed yet. Your griffin alt complaint is a little premature.
Gotta adhere to correct priorities on the crusade for predictable and fair pvp. |
Triakis Cadelanne
Disciples of Aphrodite The Glory Holers
38
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Posted - 2016.01.16 18:45:50 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Steady on mate, off grid boosts havent been removed yet. You griffin alt complaint is a little premature.
So is it what you're recycling your links in ? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1674
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Posted - 2016.01.16 18:53:50 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Steady on mate, off grid boosts havent been removed yet. You griffin alt complaint is a little premature. So is it what you're recycling your links in ?
Unless i think of something even more annoying. |
Triakis Cadelanne
Disciples of Aphrodite The Glory Holers
38
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Posted - 2016.01.16 18:56:11 -
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*spew out* |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
240
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Posted - 2016.01.16 19:14:30 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:what's the problem if you can do the same? o.O The fact that it's game breaker and remove anything intresting from the fight ? + the fact that everybody isn't able to skill a Griffin alt.
game breaker? i actually prefer damp than ecm.
ecm is rng, damp is 100%.
Just Add Water
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
9441
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Posted - 2016.01.16 20:01:12 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Why does the Griffin, which costs about 5M ISK, can perma jam any frigate / destroyer sized ship at 80km ? I don't get it. Even with a high jamming probability, there is a chance the jam will fail.
And given the Griffin's tank (or lack of thereof) it only takes one failed jam to seal its fate.
Also... ECM-pilots tend to have issues with prioritization when one or two people are gunning for them and they are tasked with jamming people fighting their comrades. So even if you (the person gunning for the Griffin) are jammed out, that means the Griffin pilot is focused on you and not the field of battle he/she is supposed to be assisting with. You are helping your fleetmates either way.
How did you Veterans start?
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ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
31
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Posted - 2016.01.17 01:04:50 -
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Griffin only landing one jam is only cancelling out another ship and the griffin pilot might as well be in a DPS ship, are we saying it should only be able to jam cheap ships?
Unless the griffin is constantly jamming multiple targets it is not overpowering the fight. ECM can be a counter to overwhelming logistics, I think there is a place for it still, they do sometimes explode without landing a jam
But of course when I jams me I want the thing removed from the game ASAP |
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
187
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Posted - 2016.01.17 02:26:08 -
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Another wah wah wah cancer thread?
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
444
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Posted - 2016.01.17 09:54:29 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:which costs about 5M ISK, can perma jam any frigate / destroyer sized ship at 80km ? I don't get it. coz one volley from a flight of light drones will pop it?
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1041
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Posted - 2016.01.17 10:58:33 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:which costs about 5M ISK, can perma jam any frigate / destroyer sized ship at 80km ? I don't get it.
Show us on the armor Ab brawler atron doll where the mean griffin touched you.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Triakis Cadelanne
Disciples of Aphrodite The Glory Holers
38
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:31:33 -
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Not much small sized ship will hit at 70 - 80 km, and you almost never get them when you fly with only 2 - 3 people. And if a single ship got this range it'll never insta pop the griffin unless they're 3 or more (ofc if Griffin isn't dumb-fitted).
I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything. |
commander aze
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Posted - 2016.01.17 18:31:33 -
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So I'll take a swing at this.
Everything has a counter.
ECM can be countered by damps, neuts, Alpha, drones, etc. Also fitting to counter an enemy is a things too. Fit to boost your sensor strength and the problem becomes less of a pain.
Its not game breaking if your flying a piece of glass through space. Just bring the right ships against it. (being a multiplayer game this is an option.)
Probably not the answer your looking for but I doubt ccp will consider changing a mechanic they like considering the range of options to counter it.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
446
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Posted - 2016.01.17 23:27:36 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything.
FYI: With Long Distance Jamming V, a Griffin caps out at around 66km optimal range on their jams. If they're jamming you from 80km, they're either A: Getting deep into falloff (vastly reduced chance of success) and they're skirting the lock range limit of their ship (81km with Long Range Targeting V) or B: being boosted by warfare links. NOTE: Information links are very, very low on most FCs list of priorities (eg: they're kind of unusual to see in small gang situations. Large fleet fights on the other hand.....).
Perfectly skilled, Griffins cap out at around 9.9 points of unheated Jam Strength (~11.1 heated) when using the 'standard' fit and they have something on the order of 1,300 EHP. They die horribly in a fire as soon as anyone gets a couple of shots off on them.
Perhaps this will help: EWAR for Newbies
[Griffin, *Standard* Fit] 'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I 'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Umbra' White Noise ECM 5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Small Particle Dispersion Projector I Small Particle Dispersion Projector I
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
721
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Posted - 2016.01.22 00:17:48 -
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ECCM - Drones or Auto Targeting Missiles. Problem solved. |
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
721
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Posted - 2016.01.22 00:19:11 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Not much small sized ship will hit at 70 - 80 km, and you almost never get them when you fly with only 2 - 3 people. And if a single ship got this range it'll never insta pop the griffin unless they're 3 or more (ofc if Griffin isn't dumb-fitted).
I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything.
Maulus. Its like you aren't even trying man. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13673
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Posted - 2016.01.22 00:41:40 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Why does the Griffin
MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS!
Better the Devil you know.
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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
868
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Posted - 2016.01.22 04:16:01 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Not much small sized ship will hit at 70 - 80 km, and you almost never get them when you fly with only 2 - 3 people. And if a single ship got this range it'll never insta pop the griffin unless they're 3 or more (ofc if Griffin isn't dumb-fitted).
I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything.
M8 if my less than 5m SP alt (at the time) can fight at 80km in frigs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ygB8skUE then anyone can. |
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Fourteen Maken
Omega Industry Inc. The Ditanian Alliance
256
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Posted - 2016.01.22 06:03:18 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Steady on mate, off grid boosts havent been removed yet. You griffin alt complaint is a little premature. So is it what you're recycling your links in ? Unless i think of something even more annoying.
you could be the first isk doubler in low sec |
Tiberius Mathusia
Gallente Rebels Inc. Villore Accords
15
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Posted - 2016.01.28 12:12:12 -
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True story. Killed a Worm with me jamming his ship and drones in my griffin after some dude in my alliance baited him and got tackle.
It was funnny. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1007
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Posted - 2016.01.28 15:00:40 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Triakis Cadelanne wrote:I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything. FYI: With Long Distance Jamming V, a Griffin caps out at around 66km optimal range on their jams. If they're jamming you from 80km, they're either A: Getting deep into falloff (vastly reduced chance of success) and they're skirting the lock range limit of their ship (81km with Long Range Targeting V) or B: being boosted by warfare links. NOTE: Information links are very, very low on most FCs list of priorities (eg: they're kind of unusual to see in small gang situations. Large fleet fights on the other hand.....). Perfectly skilled, Griffins cap out at around 9.9 points of unheated Jam Strength (~11.1 heated) when using the 'standard' fit and they have something on the order of 1,300 EHP. They die horribly in a fire as soon as anyone gets a couple of shots off on them. Perhaps this will help: EWAR for Newbies[Griffin, *Standard* Fit] 'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I 'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Umbra' White Noise ECM 5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Small Particle Dispersion Projector I Small Particle Dispersion Projector I
Unless the guy has a Mid-Grade Centurion implant set and a booster with a Electronic Superiority warfare link. Then the optimal range would be well over 88km. |
Rovain Sess
Kameiran Order Team Amarrica
41
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:25:08 -
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Griffins are frustrating, but they don't break the game. There are some counters if you wish to obsess about these lil wonders of WTF. Fight on, and when jammed - curse loud at the screen. |
May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
113
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Posted - 2016.01.29 07:29:29 -
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Why can any ship worth any amount do anything that results in me losing my ship? |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
492
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Posted - 2016.01.29 11:14:54 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Unless the guy has a Mid-Grade Centurion implant set......... Only about the single most expensive Implant set in the game mind you..... The Omega & Gamma are seldom traded on the market. Go run some Mordus Angels missions if you REALLY want a set.....
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1698
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Posted - 2016.01.29 12:10:05 -
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May Arethusa wrote:Why can any ship worth any amount do anything that results in me losing my ship?
Exactly. Its the principal. I bought my ships and i should have them forever! |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1011
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Posted - 2016.01.29 14:19:41 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Unless the guy has a Mid-Grade Centurion implant set......... Only about the single most expensive Implant set in the game mind you..... The Omega & Gamma are seldom traded on the market. Go run some Mordus Angels missions if you REALLY want a set.....
Maybe I already have. |
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