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Lugh Crow-Slave
1424
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:09:37 -
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Udonor wrote:Papa Django wrote:How many million Aur will the tear, err I mean Skill Extractor cost? It is the last relevant question. Any debate before the answer is completly irrelevant (if we ignore the bittervet ocean of tears). If the goal is to help newbros, the AUR price must be low. If the price is too high, it will only help rich people (irl) and rich people (ig) to build insta-alts. 500K sp is 8 days of training for a x1 skill. ?
the price as far as AUR is concerned is almost irrelevant since there is a set time taken to generate 500ksp there will be a limited supply people with isk will buy all these up as they go to the market shooting the price up
i'll say it again the only way for a newbro to gain access to this is going to be via plex and that is not healthy to the game particularly a subscription based one
Citadel worm hole tax
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1424
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:11:21 -
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Udonor wrote:Hmmm....T2-T3 SP retraining injections?
For a mere 3 PLEX of aurum, players could convert all skills to SP then restructure all their skills. Take a toon from horrendous boring industrial toon to uber PVP toon.
Sounds like a excellent way for CCP to retain players who would otherwise quit after they finally get a clue as to why EVE is worth playing. But normally would not have the heart to spend 6 months training up to have an acceptable vet level PVP toon. And CCP gets to make some extra rl cash to keep the company and EVE going.
right as a new player you tell me i need to shell out cash just to play the game then you tell me i have to pay more to play competitively that will be great for bringing in newbros
Citadel worm hole tax
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1426
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:17:03 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Why do you guys assume that there will be this limitless supply of injectors? Cause personally I'm not sure we'll even see ONE.
I sure don't need "extra cash", and if I do, selling a PLEX is certainly more effective, and my SP are quite precious, so I don't plan on removing any of them.
So where do you see all these vast amounts of skillpoints coming from? I mean, you're yelling back and forth about "rich kids getting 200 million skillpoints", from where??? With the skill loss on transfer, 300+ million SP's would have to be destroyed to let a single rich kid achieve his "dream".
Character Bazaar, out of 24,000 logins every day, how many are selling, say, SKILLED (not holder) titan pilots, or any other super for that matter. 3, 4? 10? Or hell, pilots with more than 120 million points. If the chances of getting 120 million points are 0.04%, where exactly is the fire?
CCP isn't giving away skillpoints out of thin air; some players will have to lose them in order for anyone to get any. I really doubt that we'll have that many people willing to de-progress their character.
ESPECIALLY when CCP finally announces the Aurum cost for it, and you all realize what a truly monumental cash grab this is. Why do you think they're avoiding any mention of the prices?
well for one because if they are never sold it wont be an issue
why the will be sold is
there will be a huge demand that demand will be high enough for people to make SP farms to sell sp
the only thing that would stop this is if the demand was not high enough for them to sell the SP at a proffit over simply selling the plex + the cost of running the account.
but i can assure you the demand will be high enough to make this happen and the cost even w/o factoring in the AUR of the item will be far more than a new bro can pay w/o plexing
Citadel worm hole tax
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Charlie Corday
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:23:02 -
[634] - Quote
Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk.
Please rethink this money grabbing strategy. This is a horrible idea and goes against everything that is Eve. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:24:56 -
[635] - Quote
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Udonor wrote:Hmmm....T2-T3 SP retraining injections?
For a mere 3 PLEX of aurum, players could convert all skills to SP then restructure all their skills. Take a toon from horrendous boring industrial toon to uber PVP toon.
Sounds like a excellent way for CCP to retain players who would otherwise quit after they finally get a clue as to why EVE is worth playing. But normally would not have the heart to spend 6 months training up to have an acceptable vet level PVP toon. And CCP gets to make some extra rl cash to keep the company and EVE going. right as a new player you tell me i need to shell out cash just to play the game then you tell me i have to pay more to play competitively that will be great for bringing in newbros need to
have to
Love everyone's angle on having additional options. Keep it up!
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:27:37 -
[636] - Quote
Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked I see. Well risk aversion is something that is killing eve, so I heard
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Charlie Corday
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:29:14 -
[637] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked I see. Well risk aversion is something that is killing eve, so I heard
Finish the quote or go back to WoW... "by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk."
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:31:35 -
[638] - Quote
We get you're risk averse in really specific situations.
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1858
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:33:14 -
[639] - Quote
Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk.
Please rethink this money grabbing strategy. This is a horrible idea and goes against everything that is Eve. Constant vigilance with every character in the game without the exception...
...does it not seem odd to anyone else in this game that this isn't the default state for any character you don't know? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:34:38 -
[640] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk.
Please rethink this money grabbing strategy. This is a horrible idea and goes against everything that is Eve. Constant vigilance with every character in the game without the exception... ...does it not seem odd to anyone else in this game that this isn't the default state for any character you don't know? Eh, does it take very long for characters to get a cyno trained nowadays
I guess maybe you feel safe in highsec~~~ ??? Not that you might not get tackled anyway and then from the next system they jump in, or log on.
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Charlie Corday
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:46:09 -
[641] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk.
Please rethink this money grabbing strategy. This is a horrible idea and goes against everything that is Eve. Constant vigilance with every character in the game without the exception... ...does it not seem odd to anyone else in this game that this isn't the default state for any character you don't know? Eh, does it take very long for characters to get a cyno trained nowadays I guess maybe you feel safe in highsec~~~ ??? Not that you might not get tackled anyway and then from the next system they jump in, or log on.
The point is that Eve has always been about consequences. If you choose to train in a certain path there is a consequence (good and bad). Now with the magic of the dollar we can press the respec button. That is not Eve, that is a very clear money grabbing strategy that eliminates the toughness, finality and consequences that made this game great. |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:46:37 -
[642] - Quote
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Udonor wrote:Hmmm....T2-T3 SP retraining injections?
For a mere 3 PLEX of aurum, players could convert all skills to SP then restructure all their skills. Take a toon from horrendous boring industrial toon to uber PVP toon.
Sounds like a excellent way for CCP to retain players who would otherwise quit after they finally get a clue as to why EVE is worth playing. But normally would not have the heart to spend 6 months training up to have an acceptable vet level PVP toon. And CCP gets to make some extra rl cash to keep the company and EVE going. right as a new player you tell me i need to shell out cash just to play the game then you tell me i have to pay more to play competitively that will be great for bringing in newbros
Correct. Before this game breaking change, you were unable to catch up with older players, now you will also be unable to catch up with a lot of newer players.
Apparently this solves a problem. |
Memphis Baas
945
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:46:50 -
[643] - Quote
Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk.
Seriously, do you actually trust 1-day characters? Because personally I bug out when I see the known gank ships (certain destroyers, for example), I don't even wait to show info on the character. Destroyer in the overview? Bug out!!! And even then it's too late.
Do you trust a 1-day character coming near you to mine in his Venture? Because they're the perfect "warp to fleet member at 0 km" setup to kill you with point blank heavy damage suicide gank ships.
1-day doesn't mean anything. You help 1-day newbies in the Newbie Q/A forums, not in game. Can't trust anyone in-game.
So how many SP they have is moot. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
1434
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:50:02 -
[644] - Quote
ViolentDesire wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Udonor wrote:Hmmm....T2-T3 SP retraining injections?
For a mere 3 PLEX of aurum, players could convert all skills to SP then restructure all their skills. Take a toon from horrendous boring industrial toon to uber PVP toon.
Sounds like a excellent way for CCP to retain players who would otherwise quit after they finally get a clue as to why EVE is worth playing. But normally would not have the heart to spend 6 months training up to have an acceptable vet level PVP toon. And CCP gets to make some extra rl cash to keep the company and EVE going. right as a new player you tell me i need to shell out cash just to play the game then you tell me i have to pay more to play competitively that will be great for bringing in newbros Correct. Before this game breaking change, you were unable to catch up with older players, now you will also be unable to catch up with a lot of newer players. Apparently this solves a problem.
no now you will be unable to catch up to richer players new or old
Citadel worm hole tax
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Charlie Corday
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:52:19 -
[645] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk. Seriously, do you actually trust 1-day characters? Because personally I bug out when I see the known gank ships (certain destroyers, for example), I don't even wait to show info on the character. Destroyer in the overview? Bug out!!! And even then it's too late. Do you trust a 1-day character coming near you to mine in his Venture? Because they're the perfect "warp to fleet member at 0 km" setup to kill you with point blank heavy damage suicide gank ships. 1-day doesn't mean anything. You help 1-day newbies in the Newbie Q/A forums, not in game. Can't trust anyone in-game. So how many SP they have is moot.
And I will repeat this for you..
The point is that Eve has always been about consequences. If you choose to train in a certain path there is a consequence (good and bad). Now with the magic of the dollar we can press the respec button. That is not Eve, that is a very clear money grabbing strategy that eliminates the toughness, finality and consequences that made this game great. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1858
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:53:16 -
[646] - Quote
ViolentDesire wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:right as a new player you tell me i need to shell out cash just to play the game then you tell me i have to pay more to play competitively that will be great for bringing in newbros Correct. Before this game breaking change, you were unable to catch up with older players, now you will also be unable to catch up with a lot of newer players. Apparently this solves a problem. Wait, so you couldn't catch up before and that didn't stop players from being competitive, but now that same SP gap does prevent players from being competitive if it's more fluid? It's almost as if SP isn't actually a measure of competitiveness where competence comes into play UNLESS you're arguing against this idea and still only then. |
Cixi
15
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:53:56 -
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Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk.
Please rethink this money grabbing strategy. This is a horrible idea and goes against everything that is Eve.
If someone like this gank you maybe you should re-think how you play EvE. |
Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
67
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:54:38 -
[648] - Quote
I see a problem with this whole process.
1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.
Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).
Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.
Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.
2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.
Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.
Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.
Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?
"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1858
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:56:15 -
[649] - Quote
Charlie Corday wrote:And I will repeat this for you..
The point is that Eve has always been about consequences. If you choose to train in a certain path there is a consequence (good and bad). Now with the magic of the dollar we can press the respec button. That is not Eve, that is a very clear money grabbing strategy that eliminates the toughness, finality and consequences that made this game great. My magic dollar respec button is broken. It' supposed to work without consequence right? Mine seems to be costing 70% of the SP I want to move.
And oddly, your complaint here is in no way related to the initial post you made.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:56:53 -
[650] - Quote
Proddy Scun wrote:Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP? Huh... down to 1m huh, indeed something seems wrong with that...
but not what you might have been thinking
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Charlie Corday
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:05:08 -
[651] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Charlie Corday wrote:And I will repeat this for you..
The point is that Eve has always been about consequences. If you choose to train in a certain path there is a consequence (good and bad). Now with the magic of the dollar we can press the respec button. That is not Eve, that is a very clear money grabbing strategy that eliminates the toughness, finality and consequences that made this game great. My magic dollar respec button is broken. It' supposed to work without consequence right? Mine seems to be costing 70% of the SP I want to move. And oddly, your complaint here is in no way related to the initial post you made.
Oddly your ability to think deeply is impaired. Time for an injection. |
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:05:28 -
[652] - Quote
Tau Cabalander wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Rather than delete the skills option how would the OCD folks feel about a button that say' Do not show skills at 0'?
Then your sheet would be nice and clean but nothing would be removed.
m No thanks. Us OCD folks would know it is there, and it would still drive us nuts. It is kind of like hanging a picture to hide a hole in a wall, or moving furniture to hide stains on a rug. Plus it would still appear in the API. Example: Confused Amarr Starship Engineering with Amarr Engineering Systems *cries* I'd even pay $20 to fix that; it bugs me that much.
LOL you must be fun to live with.
"... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á | zoonr-Korsairs |-á QFT !
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Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
67
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:08:03 -
[653] - Quote
Cixi wrote:Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk.
Please rethink this money grabbing strategy. This is a horrible idea and goes against everything that is Eve. If someone like this gank you maybe you should re-think how you play EvE.
Cixi - were you thinking ?
(1) such a 1 day/1 hour toon would be an inexperienced Newbie unable to make use of all that SP and ISK?
It takes a while to just read all current EVE tactics not counting practicing them.
(2) Or were you being realistic and suggestive?
That is:
sure this trick is more likely to pulled by those with lots of in-game experience i.e. vets going back to 2003.
but if you are a smart vet yourself, you should be doing this yourself. So you either won't be attacked because you are too new or you will be positioned to counter-surprise them.
(3) Or what idiot loots at toon ages to judge threat level?
Honestly CCP should just remove this info as useless given that the toon birthdate info is given without revealing gaps in subscription or traded toon vs original player ownership.
The part where you said anyone who worried didn't know how to play was clear. Just questioning what specific reason for not worrying came first to your mind. |
Memphis Baas
947
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:08:57 -
[654] - Quote
Charlie Corday wrote: And I will repeat this for you..
The point is that Eve has always been about consequences. If you choose to train in a certain path there is a consequence (good and bad). Now with the magic of the dollar we can press the respec button. That is not Eve, that is a very clear money grabbing strategy that eliminates the toughness, finality and consequences that made this game great.
Well thanks for repeating, but "consequence" is bullshit, much as "respect." Being a game, there are bugs, there are nerfs to ships, there are stupid things like bounties that can "ruin" your character just cause you said "hi" in local, and there's plenty of consequence-free scamming, ganking, and alt-cycling.
So if I chose to train for capital ships 3 years ago, and now CCP is making burritos out of them, how exactly is that "consequence" under my control in any way? This game changes in spite of our best plans, and this is a tool to mitigate CCP's whimsy. I'm sure they're tired of having to program all those skill reimbursements on patch day, to "satisfy" everyone; now they can just wipe out capital ships or whatever part of the game they want, and when we start shooting Jita monuments they can just point to the skill extractors available on NEX.
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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:09:21 -
[655] - Quote
Proddy Scun wrote:I see a problem with this whole process.
1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.
Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).
Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.
Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.
2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.
Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.
Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.
Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?
"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.
Do u sleep in a bed made of tinfoil and use a 13 layer headwrap ?
"... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á | zoonr-Korsairs |-á QFT !
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1858
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:12:04 -
[656] - Quote
Charlie Corday wrote:Oddly your ability to think deeply is impaired. Time for an injection. Great job justifying your position. Man, I'm convinced now with that on topic, well reasoned response that didn't resort to an off the cuff insult. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:13:49 -
[657] - Quote
Proddy Scun wrote:(3) Or what idiot loots at toon ages to judge threat level?
Honestly CCP should just remove this info as useless given that the toon birthdate info is given without revealing gaps in subscription or traded toon vs original player ownership. Something about using show info on names in local
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1592
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:17:57 -
[658] - Quote
I'm pretty ambivalent regarding the entire notion of skill trading. I'm hard-pressed to really find anything overly objectionable (to me) about the idea itself. This part of the blog really stood out to me, however:
Quote:The blog sparked a really great discussion in the EVE community. We decided to be fairly hands off and see where it would lead without us trying to persuade anyone. We werenGÇÖt sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, I am now here to announce that we will be adding Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release.
Did you guys hire a Fox News staffer to ghost write this?
On its very best day, the response to this idea could never be described as anything other than, "Extremely contentious." Making it sound like it has been predominantly supported and, as good little Devs, you've listened to the community, is weapons-grade PR spin.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Cixi
15
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:20:35 -
[659] - Quote
Proddy Scun wrote:Cixi wrote:Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk.
Please rethink this money grabbing strategy. This is a horrible idea and goes against everything that is Eve. If someone like this gank you maybe you should re-think how you play EvE. Cixi - were you thinking ? (1) such a 1 day/1 hour toon would be an inexperienced Newbie unable to make use of all that SP and ISK? It takes a while to just read all current EVE tactics not counting practicing them. (2) Or were you being realistic and suggestive? That is: sure this trick is more likely to pulled by those with lots of in-game experience i.e. vets going back to 2003. but if you are a smart vet yourself, you should be doing this yourself. So you either won't be attacked because you are too new or you will be positioned to counter-surprise them. (3) Or what idiot loots at toon ages to judge threat level? Honestly CCP should just remove this info as useless given that the toon birthdate info is given without revealing gaps in subscription or traded toon vs original player ownership. The part where you said anyone who worried didn't know how to play was clear. Just questioning what specific reason for not worrying came first to your mind.
If you get ganked it doesn't matter how much SP the ganker have, this is what I meant. A ganking alt takes less than month to train, and nobody will over train them even with transferable SP
So maybe transferable SP will lead to an increase number of gankers, but I will certainly not worry about them more than I am now, because I know how to fly around without being a target. |
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
59
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:23:49 -
[660] - Quote
helana Tsero wrote:Proddy Scun wrote:I see a problem with this whole process.
1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.
Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).
Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.
Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.
2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.
Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.
Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.
Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?
"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.
Do u sleep in a bed made of tinfoil and use a 13 layer headwrap ?
Whoohoo - I hadn't though of that - I know several people I can phone up and ask them to use the PLEX grace period to trade some extractor and fill em-up for some cheap skill points.
Is this against the EULA ? - If it is would giving them a PLEX to make the account active before I strip-mine it be OK?
.... and at no time would I ever consider offering real life cash for them to do this trade also I would never consider advertising online for people with redundant accounts to do this as that would also be against the EULA terms
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