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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:24:27 -
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Well some gank alts are pretty carefully trained (though certainly a simple catalyst works well too) and are basically just another type of specialized alt which uses blasters and occasionally projectiles.
These of course in the line of duty are also -10 sec alts, which the ganker knows how to use properly, unlike the odd imaginings of people who are being ganked by such specialized alts and feel a special pain.
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:26:01 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:Whoohoo - I hadn't though of that - I know several people I can phone up and ask them to use the PLEX grace period to trade some extractor and fill em-up for some cheap skill points.
Is this against the EULA ? - If it is would giving them a PLEX to make the account active before I strip-mine it be OK?
.... and at no time would I ever consider offering real life cash for them to do this trade also I would never consider advertising online for people with redundant accounts to do this as that would also be against the EULA terms Oh my, did you also take all the ships and stuff off their accounts as well for nothing in return?
And transfer all their isk?
Hmm...
If the character is good, sell on bazaar and transfer all the isk.
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
68
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:29:17 -
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helana Tsero wrote:Proddy Scun wrote:I see a problem with this whole process.
1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.
Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).
Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.
Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.
2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.
Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.
Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.
Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?
"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.
Do u sleep in a bed made of tinfoil and use a 13 layer headwrap ?
LOL of course.
But your an infant if you play EVE and still do not realize a few people scam anything that can be scammed.
Not looking at any secret conspiracies. Though occasionally Watergate stuff does really occur.
I know at least 1 player who makes a point of collecting account info from people who quit EVE. His intent I guess is to have toons for spying and dirty work IF he needs them. He is not subscribing them now. But if this CCP deal goes through without restrictions.
*** But the people who scream "tin hat" are often the people that I find mostly likely to be cashing in on some loophole. they scream "tin hat" because someone is messing with their big potential windfall. But you are right most the people in any demographic just don't care until it effects them directly and its too late to prevent or get in on the "good" deal. ***
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
59
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:31:15 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Iowa Banshee wrote:Whoohoo - I hadn't though of that - I know several people I can phone up and ask them to use the PLEX grace period to trade some extractor and fill em-up for some cheap skill points.
Is this against the EULA ? - If it is would giving them a PLEX to make the account active before I strip-mine it be OK?
.... and at no time would I ever consider offering real life cash for them to do this trade also I would never consider advertising online for people with redundant accounts to do this as that would also be against the EULA terms Oh my, did you also take all the ships and stuff off their accounts as well for nothing in return? And transfer all their isk? Hmm... If the character is good, sell on bazaar and transfer all the isk.
Mostly they left because of real life issues and have already given all their stuff away - trading at a station is free and if they sold me their toon through the bazaar it would cost an ALT |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:34:35 -
[665] - Quote
Now we're really getting started.
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
59
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:37:05 -
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Do you think www.WeBuyUglyEveAccounts.com is a bit blatant |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
802
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:37:08 -
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Proddy Scun wrote:I see a problem with this whole process.
1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.
Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).
Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.
Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.
2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.
Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.
Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.
Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?
"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.
No, you need a minimum 5 mil SP to extract 500K SP, so you would need at least 5.5 mil SP (roughly 3 months training) for 1 extractor.
Starting a fresh character with SP from an existing one - 50 mil SP is more than enough to specialize but if it is ganking toons your after, your prerequisites are far lower - 5 to 10 mil SP is more than enough and can be moved around with minimal SP loss. Really though, there is no such thing as an "unplayable" character - Ask Kill2.
TSP's could turn out to be a boon for the budding alliance and corp thieves, although it is likely to add a few months to achieving their goals. Join corp, work into trusted position (not hard with a lot of groups), rob them, use part of the proceeds to move SP from the now known thief to a brand new character, biomass, rinse and repeat. As long as your a successful thief, you should be able to keep your SP up.
PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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MiSANTHR0PE
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:41:20 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I'm pretty ambivalent regarding the entire notion of skill trading. I'm hard-pressed to really find anything overly objectionable (to me) about the idea itself. This part of the blog really stood out to me, however: Quote:The blog sparked a really great discussion in the EVE community. We decided to be fairly hands off and see where it would lead without us trying to persuade anyone. We werenGÇÖt sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, I am now here to announce that we will be adding Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release. Did you guys hire a Fox News staffer to ghost write this? On its very best day, the response to this idea could never be described as anything other than, "Extremely contentious." Making it sound like it has been predominantly supported and, as good little Devs, you've listened to the community, is weapons-grade PR spin.
It's because CCP doesn't read their own forums & use Reddit instead. (The idea didn't go down too bad over there) |
Cixi
15
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:44:45 -
[669] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:[quote=Proddy Scun] PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen.
NEVER share your credetials |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6926
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:46:52 -
[670] - Quote
Cixi wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen. NEVER share your credetials You probably shouldn't brag to them about how this new item CCP is putting in is awesome and you will start 1000 alts to make use of it....
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Cixi
15
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:58:53 -
[671] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Cixi wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen. NEVER share your credetials You probably shouldn't brag to them about how this new item CCP is putting in is awesome and you will start 1000 alts to make use of it....
Soon on EvE Online: https://i.imgur.com/Dy9Sjwi.jpg |
Doppleganger
Federated Holdings Libera Alliance
38
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:00:26 -
[672] - Quote
MiSANTHR0PE wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:I'm pretty ambivalent regarding the entire notion of skill trading. I'm hard-pressed to really find anything overly objectionable (to me) about the idea itself. This part of the blog really stood out to me, however: Quote:The blog sparked a really great discussion in the EVE community. We decided to be fairly hands off and see where it would lead without us trying to persuade anyone. We werenGÇÖt sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, I am now here to announce that we will be adding Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release. Did you guys hire a Fox News staffer to ghost write this? On its very best day, the response to this idea could never be described as anything other than, "Extremely contentious." Making it sound like it has been predominantly supported and, as good little Devs, you've listened to the community, is weapons-grade PR spin. It's because CCP doesn't read their own forums & use Reddit instead. (The idea didn't go down too bad over there)
Thats what went through my mind when I read that line in the blog....... well of course CCP didnt see all the discontent on the eve forums last time and thats because they only read reddit forums.
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Pine Marten
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
96
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:02:08 -
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No one sees all the fun stuff that will be happening. Soon we will have newbies flying around in redicoulous fitted ships, since they dont know what they are doing. I, for one, are looking forward to all that shiny loot. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3114
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:15:10 -
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Pine Marten wrote: No one sees all the fun stuff that will be happening. Soon we will have newbies flying around in redicoulous fitted ships, since they dont know what they are doing. I, for one, are looking forward to all that shiny loot.
This is where it all gets rather confusing.
On the one hand 'cash for skills' is being promoted as a way of retaining new players - bigger shinier ships more quickly etc.
On the other hand, many have said how much fun it will be smashing new players who have the skill points to fly ships but not the in-game know-how to use them properly, which may well result in the very same new players quitting the game as they keep losing their shiny new ships.
One rather suspects that CCP have been blinded to the possible down side of this by the potential isk signs in front of their eyes
This is not a signature.
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Zeddrick Anthar
Overheat Everything and CHARGE
4
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:16:06 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Why do you guys assume that there will be this limitless supply of injectors? Cause personally I'm not sure we'll even see ONE.
I sure don't need "extra cash", and if I do, selling a PLEX is certainly more effective, and my SP are quite precious, so I don't plan on removing any of them.
So where do you see all these vast amounts of skillpoints coming from?
-> Buy a pair of PLEX for ISK. -> Activate the training queue on an alt. -> Train for a month. -> Use the second PLEX to extract 4 skill packets (it might end up being 3 PLEXES) -> Sell on market for more than the 2 (or 3) PLEX cost -> Repeat.
People will be able to do that with a lot of alts. I've got about 5 that I could switch on right away and another 10 I'd just need to give a couple of million SP to get started. People will use this as a passive ISK making method until the price of PLEX goes up so high it becomes unviable or until there are more skill packets than demand, but I imagine demand will be very high. |
Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
68
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:22:09 -
[676] - Quote
Iowa Banshee wrote:helana Tsero wrote:Proddy Scun wrote:I see a problem with this whole process.
1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.
Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).
Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.
Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.
2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.
Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.
Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.
Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?
"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.
Do u sleep in a bed made of tinfoil and use a 13 layer headwrap ? Whoohoo - I hadn't though of that - I know several people I can phone up and ask them to use the PLEX grace period to trade some extractor and fill em-up for some cheap skill points. Is this against the EULA ? - If it is would giving them a PLEX to make the account active before I strip-mine it be OK? .... and at no time would I ever consider offering real life cash for them to do this trade also I would never consider advertising online for people with redundant accounts to do this as that would also be against the EULA terms
Well to stay in EULA you have to go through character trading protocol and get the toon in your account. Cost was 1 PLEX last I looked. Getting a player who quit to work up the interest to help you do trade in EULA is the hard part. But I suspect there are people with 1+ willing friends who quit after 3-10 years play. Growing families or work are great EVE killers. All legal since its not quite free - even if you can potentially get over x100 your investment as in-game return for one 10 year account.
But within EULA action was only half my point. CCP like most game companies have lots of problems with "farmers" and other out of EULA transactions. I am sure that if you "farmed" too many accounts directly into your main online account you would be detected and banned by CCP even if CCP runs this idea "as is". But if players are smart they could make it very difficult for CCP. Enough to have significant advantages to select individuals and possibly some effect on market etc in game overall if widely enough exploited.
I am talking that as it stands there will be some unresolved exploitation because the standard procedure used by cheaters to hide exploits still works here. They just use of an array (1 per sale) of trial toons at different free public WiFi access points so that their home IP is not associated when buying or selling injectors at below market price from abandon accounts. So log onto Putting several throwaway accounts in middle of transfer process introduces reasonable doubt especially when many other people are making similar transactions. So yes these guys put a little work into this. Yeah you can argue that if anyone who makes really good wages it doesn't seem cost-effective over just buying PLEX. Some people just like to cheat. And not everyone make good wages & those trips to free WiFi areas are often part of some peoples normal movements as well (MickyDees lunch time). LOL if you got a remote desktop open to market or someone at home to press the button, its pretty hard to connect that injector placed on market for 100 ISK in remote Derlik station by a trial account at Micky Dees with the regular player account at home that finally buys it less than 30 seconds later.
P.S. remote desktop is automation against EULA but CCP has difficulty banning folk for having it on their Windows machine since its part of normal install and usage. Hmmm...EVE special secure virtual machine with specialized OS in future to prevent exploits? |
Zeddrick Anthar
Overheat Everything and CHARGE
4
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:22:57 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Udonor wrote:Papa Django wrote:How many million Aur will the tear, err I mean Skill Extractor cost? It is the last relevant question. Any debate before the answer is completly irrelevant (if we ignore the bittervet ocean of tears). If the goal is to help newbros, the AUR price must be low. If the price is too high, it will only help rich people (irl) and rich people (ig) to build insta-alts. 500K sp is 8 days of training for a x1 skill. ? the price as far as AUR is concerned is almost irrelevant since there is a set time taken to generate 500ksp there will be a limited supply people with isk will buy all these up as they go to the market shooting the price up i'll say it again the only way for a newbro to gain access to this is going to be via plex and that is not healthy to the game particularly a subscription based one
No, the AUR price is really important. Once people farm this it will push the PLEX price up and the more the extractor costs the faster the PLEX price will be pushed up. New characters paying for SP is actually a good thing here because they'll bring the PLEX price back down again. It could also be good for the character too if they buy an initial lump of SP then train and slowly sell back to the market to PLEX their account.
Imagine if instead of starting with no SP and training 10 million SP over 6 months you could start with 10 million SP (by paying a lump sum) and then effectively have no training for the first 6 months while you extract the SP and use it to PLEX the account. It'd be just like buying a 6 month subscription in terms of cost but the toon would be a lot more useful on day 1.
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Nootex Dox
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:35:32 -
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No No No GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ and New Eden Store No No No !!! Not again!
Make it a player item ! Or just not at all, not all that money sucking **** !
You guys get enough money...!!!
No to New Eden Store crap store, yes to player driven item !
Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR. |
MiSANTHR0PE
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:37:08 -
[679] - Quote
Pine Marten wrote: No one sees all the fun stuff that will be happening. Soon we will have newbies flying around in redicoulous fitted ships, since they dont know what they are doing. I, for one, are looking forward to all that shiny loot.
Except, It's not really for newbros is it, the two most common complaints for newbros are along the lines of
1:Oh sp's passive, it will take me forever to catch up and be of any use 2:How do we earn enough isk to plex our accounts
Number two kinda make number one a moot point.
sure I expect some guys will go balls deep and buy all the sp's they think they need, just like the guys that join up buy plex and loose them in ibis or un-dock a a few bill's worth of faction\officer fitted battleship, then there quit and bad mouth the game when they realise that they still useless, but this does happen already regardless of being able to buy sp
It's nothing more than a cash grab by a business, and will mainly be used by vets burning alts they don't use to buff there main or for re-speccing them mining skills they don't want
It doesn't affect (effect? too stoned) me all, I have 30 mil sp and don't feel I have wasted any of it
But what happens after this?
Gold ammo world of tanks style? oh lets do away with attributes and implants and sell sp\xp boosters!
I don't want to do the whole "eve is dying thing" I love and adore eve to bits, but it is a very old game, it's very dated, surprisingly very unheard of by many & extremely niche, blatant cash grab is blatant |
MECHcore
Evil Celes Death from Above..
44
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:49:33 -
[680] - Quote
Unfortunatly, but this seems to me as the beginning of the end.
Loads of people will buy plex, to buy SP on the market, my guess is that there wont be enough extractions to feed everyone, prices will go up, and some will then buy more and more plex, right into the bank account of CCP.
No problem with CCP shovelling money, but to get more players into the game they come up with this, a smart move idd, but a stab in the back towards loyal players, myself almost 12 years, now the new kid around the block with hes daddies credit card, will just buy him those 12 years of training.
Where o where is the time that if you wanted to accomplish something ingame that you had to work hard for it ? And actually some sense of proudness afterwards, ( Yes its possible in a game ).
:O CCP this game once beloved by many because it was on hard mode is now starting to shake on its foundations, soon if not allready people will fight over regions with their credit card, where there was once skill and hard work that made the outcome, it will be fatty Cartman dudes that recently joined the game with a bag of money/chips at their desk, buying all the SP and titans they want, even loyalty.
Some loyal players including me are getting somehow frustrated with the changes past years.
-Lets get newer players 800k SP, so their missing the joy starting from 0. ( Back in the days i mined 3k isk/h with my Ibis, working my way up hours and hours to be able to buy and fit a T1 Bantam frig ) -Reverse engineering, making my T2 bpo's almost obsolete. -A tower in high sec.. In the past you had to work your ass of to get the faction standings. -Plex, lets get everyone to raise their credit card, so half of eve flies a titan. -Same with being able to buy SP now.
The game is getting way to easy, and more mainstream, not standing out as this crazy hard unique game that people had to try, the fun factor is starting to vaporize aswell.
Before the end of the year my char might go into hibernation if this goes on, few will care anyway, allmost all me ingame m8s allready left because of the former changes
Ah well just my 2cents.
(Sry for my bad English ) |
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Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
68
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:58:27 -
[681] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:Proddy Scun wrote:I see a problem with this whole process.
1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.
Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).
Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.
Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.
2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.
Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.
Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.
Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?
"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.
No, you need a minimum 5 mil SP to extract 500K SP, so you would need at least 5.5 mil SP (roughly 3 months training) for 1 extractor. Starting a fresh character with SP from an existing one - 50 mil SP is more than enough to specialize but if it is ganking toons your after, your prerequisites are far lower - 5 to 10 mil SP is more than enough and can be moved around with minimal SP loss. Really though, there is no such thing as an "unplayable" character - Ask Kill2. TSP's could turn out to be a boon for the budding alliance and corp thieves, although it is likely to add a few months to achieving their goals. Join corp, work into trusted position (not hard with a lot of groups), rob them, use part of the proceeds to move SP from the now known thief to a brand new character, biomass, rinse and repeat. As long as your a successful thief, you should be able to keep your SP up. PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen.
LOL - I put quotes around "unplayable" for a reason. Was speaking what the majority of players would call "unplayable" when purchasing a toon. Ones most people won't pay ISK to own even if they are looking for a toon. Ones most people won't sacrifice a toon slot for even if you pay the transfer cost between accounts.
Yeah GF/wife issue was meant as a minor example. Though the issue would be not logging out more often than giving password. But password on old sticky attached to monitor would close second. And like you say 80% of the ones I seen deserved some sort of punishment for being stupid about women (hooking up with scary ones & then being openly arrogant in their neglect).
Thieves... LOL there goes one of the last major reasons to ask for full API. Join and corp gives access to hangar because you cannot fly the important ships without months of training. Then just add SP and skills in middle of night and fly off with anything.
P.S. 5 million SP minimum? Sorry thread way too long to read. Last I saw was early CCP comment that said 1M SP minimum. If its officially 5M SP now then things are moving in right direction. CCP probably got my concern a while ago & then researched the point in time where the biggest number of people quit and never came back. Maybe their statistics say the accounts with 4-6 months training have too many cases where people eventually came back. Would not be my guess but they have the data if they bothered to analyze it that way. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1041
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:03:10 -
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This is going to hurt new player retention more than help it. With skill trading, the new player experience goes directly from "I have to train for weeks and months or spend a LOT of money (which the vast majority of people don't do) and buy a character to be effective" to "my rate of advancement is now tied to how big my wallet is". |
Alexis Nightwish
387
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:08:20 -
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Bit late to the party, and I'm sure this will be ignored just as the 300+ page threadnaught clearly was, but I brought it up to a friend who I've tried to get into EVE a few times:
Me: Got a few minutes to read something? Me: I'd like your opinion on it. Friend: sure Me: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/skill-trading-in-new-eden/ Friend: Looks cool Friend: That's about all I would have an account for Friend: selling skill points Me: It costs AUR which is microtransaction monies to drain SP from a character. Friend: lame Me: You can get AUR by converting PLEX, and you can get PLEX with in game ISK. Me: So you can buy AUR with RL money, or with in game money. Friend: So they're adding more pay to win to the game Friend: those guys with the multiple accounts will just buy more accounts Friend: and pay for skillpoints Me: If you were new to EVE Online and saw this option what would your reaction be? Friend: me personally? Me: Yeah Me: You play a lot of games Friend: I'd prob just leave cause I don't play pay to win games
Well there we go. I'll never get him to join.
But from me to you CCP:
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CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
EVE Online's "I win!" Button
Fixing bombs, not the bombers
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Nootex Dox
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:08:30 -
[684] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:This is going to hurt new player retention more than help it. With skill trading, the new player experience goes directly from "I have to train for weeks and months or spend a LOT of money (which the vast majority of people don't do) and buy a character to be effective" to "my rate of advancement is now tied to how big my wallet is".
Yep CCP are screwing us again with that New Eden store crap |
Zavia Uristis
Numvisia
1
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:10:09 -
[685] - Quote
Hi there,
I'm a new player myself and I have a question.
This is a quote from the dev post:
Quote:We werenGÇÖt sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters.
My question is: How is this going to help bringing in newer players? |
Nootex Dox
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:13:43 -
[686] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:This is going to hurt new player retention more than help it. With skill trading, the new player experience goes directly from "I have to train for weeks and months or spend a LOT of money (which the vast majority of people don't do) and buy a character to be effective" to "my rate of advancement is now tied to how big my wallet is".
Yes CCP are screwing us over again with that ******* New Eden Store crap... Like Sub or Plexes are not enough no no no they wonna milk us dry...
Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ - Out with New Eden Store and GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ |
Nootex Dox
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:16:45 -
[687] - Quote
ohh glad a other game like this is comeing out, but just with incarna and cockpits.
Cough Cough SC FTW !
Backer hell year ! |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:31:52 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:Bit late to the party, and I'm sure this will be ignored just as the 300+ page threadnaught clearly was, but I brought it up to a friend who I've tried to get into EVE a few times: Me: Got a few minutes to read something? Me: I'd like your opinion on it. Friend: sure Me: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/skill-trading-in-new-eden/ Friend: Looks cool Friend: That's about all I would have an account for Friend: selling skill points Me: It costs AUR which is microtransaction monies to drain SP from a character. Friend: lame Me: You can get AUR by converting PLEX, and you can get PLEX with in game ISK. Me: So you can buy AUR with RL money, or with in game money. Friend: So they're adding more pay to win to the game Friend: those guys with the multiple accounts will just buy more accounts Friend: and pay for skillpoints Me: If you were new to EVE Online and saw this option what would your reaction be? Friend: me personally? Me: Yeah Me: You play a lot of games Friend: I'd prob just leave cause I don't play pay to win games Well there we go. I'll never get him to join. But from me to you CCP: /´¯/) ,/¯ / / / /´¯/' '/´¯¯`·¸ /'/ / / /¨¯\ ('( ´ ´ ¯~/' ') \ ' / '' \ _ ·´ \ ( \ \
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Mercur Fighter
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
4
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:39:30 -
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Ralph Drake wrote:Please, CCP, let us be able to remove 0-skill-points skills from our sheet. I don't want the skill book back or anything, I am just obsessive.
Unfortunately I don't think CCP caters to OCD needs :( Now if a majority of the players are OCD, they might. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
363
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:49:37 -
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Great, if this goes ahead I'll burn a few alts and create a pure pvp 2016 char for a laugh. Might as well get some fun out of the game before it fizzles out. Surprised they are still risking going ahead with this considering the negative feedback from the last post.
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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