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MajorBean
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.26 10:08:34 -
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- The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCPGÇÿs plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle. CCP has committed to sharing their plans with the CSM on this front on an ongoing basis. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1983
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Posted - 2016.01.26 10:19:17 -
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MajorBean wrote:- The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCPGÇÿs plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle. CCP has committed to sharing their plans with the CSM on this front on an ongoing basis.
I'm guessing that whoever developed this idea thinks it doesn't break this promise since when you buy SP you are buying someone elses invested time (transferring advantage as opposed to buying new advantage???).
If so they should consider a career in politics... |
Rebel Gunn
Society for EVE Preservation
5
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Posted - 2016.01.26 11:20:29 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:
Exactly. If CCP came straight out and told the truth saying:
"Eve is in trouble financially and needs extra cash influx to stay alive so we apologize for breaking a golden rule we prided ourselves in upholding till now, but we're in financial trouble and have no other choice but to add a feature we never intended on implementing". (or something along those lines)
Then I would've began suggesting ideas to help them achieve those goals without damaging the game's core. But instead they ignore player feedback like we're mindless supporters and will eventually conform to the master's wishes because we have no other choice but to follow the masters (CCP) ways. It's a flatout display of lack of respect for the loyal customer base to do something like disregarding all player feedback. I'm still waiting for more details on how this feature is unfolding, but not a word from CCP. Lack of communication is what's causing my anger and distrust from all this silence.
Should we start Kickstarter thread to give a hand to CCP and support their annual budgeting? Or we could donate them PLEXs like PLEX for Good programm?
What they really need is advice on how to run a business and serve customers properly. I give them credit for having created this one good game, but they've otherwise squandered most of the goodwill you can generate from this.
It very much feels like they stumbled onto success, did enough things right from time to time to make up for missteps, and then began to lose their way by taking customers for granted. However, I'm not sure that the owner(s) / top management ever really understood what they had created, it was more the rank-and-file that probably kept things alive. Now top management is going the pay-to-win route to try to bleed us all dry, thinking we'll all just happily go along with it. So out-of-touch and disdainful they are.
CCP is about to receive a very brutal lesson in market forces. Losing long loyal customers in favor of new customers that are extremely fickle, have short attention spans, and demand instant gratification has rarely been a road to long-term business success. |
Funky Death
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.01.26 11:55:16 -
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I can see this is not pay to win. Theres no magic creation of sp happening. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2016.01.26 12:09:37 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: 1) CCP puts their spin on an idea they had, news at 11. No really, this is very much the same pace as any unpopular decision. Some good in the end, many made good after tweaking, others... eh. Welcome to Eve, where we're used to this ride. 2) See, I seriously don't get this. CCP never said SP would never be tradable to my knowledge. If they did please point me to it. The possibilities from combining PLEX and skill injectors are real, but it's a convenient argument to state one of the most prevalent forms of consequence, the need to replace lost assets, can be trivialized while at the same time claiming CCP hasn't "betrayed" this concept prior to now (Think for a moment about the importance of isk for Eve's function and how PLEX already affects it. For the promise to exclude SP while including isk it means the entire in game market and economy, as well as every item in it, was somehow less of a game play factor than SP). 3) The are communicating, just not the communications you want, which is limited to a retraction of the proposal. There isn't really anything productive to say to accusations of malice and incompetence or general insults. 4) As someone who doesn't have the details they have regarding what's going on in the game, how do you know they're not? You don't, you make the assumption from I'm not sure what anymore. It ranges from CCP being poor to CCP not knowing what their doing to CCP maliciously breaking promises they never really made
As stated before, it's not a lack of comprehension, it's pointing out reasoning based on conveniently forgetting or downplaying Eve's P2skip elements when convenient. And further telling players who have trained since before your character existed that they should be clutching their SP as if it were the sum of their game experience when it's not.
I'm not in any of the situations you mention, I don't need to be because I can think past my own benefit, and further see this doesn't act against anyone save those who only see value in their characters when other have to do the same thing they did. My characters do have value in what they have trained (a decision making process fully preserved by the way), but that isn't changing. What they don't have value in is how others chose to train if the option is presented.
It's not like we're in a race as is, not with current mechanics in place.
But if we're making suggestions of self interest, what is it that you're doing in game that you need to keep potential competition out of? What capacity is it that you "earned" that feels so threatened by "week old players in marauders" I think you stated? Why do you need them to not have access to that or any other toolset?
This doesn't benefit me at all, but you're methods of protest make you seem rather invested somehow. Do share.
I took me 14 months to train my Alts to fly Paladins. And now some scrub can get into one within 1-4 weeks?? Don't know about you but that makes me feel cheated.
Training skills will become meaningless since all you have to do know is buy an injector for skilling. Meaning the feeling of progression and evolution will be gone from Eve forever. Don't know about you but for role-playering type players that is a very addictive feature that keeps us in the game.
Suicide gankers can now easily train up to fly Catalysts within 7-14 days, making Hi-sec a gankers paradise. I live in hi-sec atm flying Marauders and don't want to see them getting exploded by nooblets who just got into the game one week ago. This means that Corps like Code are gonna be more powerful than ever. Not to mention concorde won't prevent them from forming in mass in any given system. Hi-sec is gonna become Gank-Sec with the implementation of this SP trading garbage. |
Shova'k
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.01.26 12:14:27 -
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the only real issue with this is that it will devalue characters being sold in the bazaar other then that it is not much different then the ability to buy pre-trained characters. other then the fact that you get to pick the name yourself and since the limits on how much sp you get out of it at higher sp levels its basiclly only useful to remove and sell sp for those in the 50+ mill range and those of us over 100 mill it wont be worth buying sp to add at all lol
most of the whining is prolly alts of people who farm characters or do buy/sell flipping raging that their income is gonna drop or they dont understand this is a weaker variations of the character bazaar we already have. then again most people have a hard time with common sense. |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
732
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Posted - 2016.01.26 12:41:05 -
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If Character Bazar is also p2w as many pointed that out why would we need another one with similar purpose? |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1985
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Posted - 2016.01.26 12:41:08 -
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Shova'k wrote:... as mentioned above all of that is already possible droping some isk on a character from the bazaar only difference is this new system will cost a crap ton more (player controlled market and all) and reduce in efficiency rapidly the higher the sp goes. also gankers are not gonna use this to train their gank alts up faster unless they really have to much money or isk and hate waiting. since they can just use throw away trial act's over and over and not even have to bother subbing them (sure its against the rules but ccp never catches them so they do it anyway)
training will still be far more valuable since this system wont create sp from thin air some one still has to train it first. and the cost of the skill injectors will prolly be so insanely high that it would be cheaper to buy a char instead so over all this has no real impact on the game outside of the character bazaar and redistributing isk within the economy.
The issues I have with the idea (beyond simply removing any character building element from the game or at the very least heavily degrading it) is that it will not help new players as claimed but will almost certainly funnel most of the SP generated up to the space rich who already play the game.
This allows for the already accrued SP in existing characters to be drained away into the hands of those with the most ISK. Whether they just inject them (just to be the first to max SP) or it is a larger nullsec group simply controlling the market whilst ensuring all alts have perfect skills for their niche ensuring that other groups are at a bigger disadvantage.
As far as large ISK rich nullsec groups go they would be stupid not to do this, they would control the market whilst gaining a bigger advantage. Note that I don't have a problem with these groups doing this if they are playing within the rules (again, they would be stupid not to), but rather with a mechanic being introduced that allows them to do so.
This will not in my opinion help new players at all. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3212
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Posted - 2016.01.26 12:58:17 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Zappity wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc They have done nothing but fix bugs since Incarna. Only recently have they started introducing new content again. Seriously, review the patch notes for the last few years and count how many times you read the word 'fixed'. It is time for new things. Yeah, and cash for skills should not be one of them, This isn't cash for skills. We already have that in the form of a sub. It's isk for someone else' skills. Not this proposals fault no one decided to question the wisdom of cash for isk all those years ago while claiming to bemoan P2W in any form. I honestly wonder, because PLEX was here before I was, did no one realize back then that anything CCP decided to allow in game trade of would be parroted as "cash for 'x'" as a result of PLEX, or was it just genuinely thought back then that isk wasn't any sort of advantage despite being the primary medium of trade?
Some of us did, and challenged both the introduction of both PLEX and the Character Bazaar.
Of them all, I am more forgiving of PLEX as it allows folk, some of whom, for whatever reason, would not be able to afford to play otherwise.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
397
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Posted - 2016.01.26 13:37:13 -
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Shova'k wrote: as mentioned above all of that is already possible droping some isk on a character from the bazaar only difference is this new system will cost a crap ton more (player controlled market and all) and reduce in efficiency rapidly the higher the sp goes. also gankers are not gonna use this to train their gank alts up faster unless they really have to much money or isk and hate waiting. since they can just use throw away trial act's over and over and not even have to bother subbing them (sure its against the rules but ccp never catches them so they do it anyway)
training will still be far more valuable since this system wont create sp from thin air some one still has to train it first. and the cost of the skill injectors will prolly be so insanely high that it would be cheaper to buy a char instead so over all this has no real impact on the game outside of the character bazaar and redistributing isk within the economy.
Maybe at first but sooner or later the SP extractors & Injectors are gonna drop down to where the masses can afford them and Eve will become Skill Injecting Scrubs Online. The people who trade chars on char bazaar regularly will personally see to this.
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Memphis Baas
992
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Posted - 2016.01.26 13:53:47 -
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It's really easy to keep the injectors out of the reach of "the masses": just put a high Aurum cost on them; nobody's gonna want to pay hundreds of dollars for a few measly points.
Titans are a lot more common than when they were first introduced, but they're still not a ship that "the masses" have.
In any case, nice to see such disdain for other players (feel free to use the term "unwashed masses", it's clear you're thinking it). You sure are elite, a rarity, worthy of a Nobel prize or something, for managing to be better than others at clicking buttons in a MMO game. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
399
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Posted - 2016.01.26 14:47:28 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:It's really easy to keep the injectors out of the reach of "the masses": just put a high Aurum cost on them; nobody's gonna want to pay hundreds of dollars for a few measly points.
Titans are a lot more common than when they were first introduced, but they're still not a ship that "the masses" have.
In any case, nice to see such disdain for other players (feel free to use the term "unwashed masses", it's clear you're thinking it). You sure are elite, a rarity, worthy of a Nobel prize or something, for managing to be better than others at clicking buttons in a MMO game. I'm not putting myself on pedestal. I had to wait a long time to get where I'm at in this game and now CCP is handing out freebies?? And now every scrub is coming out from the woodwork crying "CCP helps us, we need them SP injectors now waaahhh".
And I doubt CCP is gonna put a steep price on these extractors/injectors because they want them sold in masses to make them a good buck or why else would they even bother to go this far?
And the term "masses" I was referring to are the instant gratifying scrubs looking for the easy way out.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
284
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Posted - 2016.01.26 15:53:34 -
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The initial idea was too generous to veteran players.
Now that you've TRIPLED the efficiency for veteran players, this idea has morphed to pants-on-headWTFBBQ. A bunch of rich bitter vets will buy up all the things & this will be pure pay-to-win (which is unacceptable to a ton of people) instead of pay-to-catch-up-a-bit (which is acceptable to almost everybody now that EVE is almost 13 years old.)
Go back to 50k for 80M and this idea isn't terrible. Better yet, cap it completely at 80M or 100M.
Remember Mahanus' rule. If you ignore AkJon, you end up saying 'Ow, mah Anus!' |
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
70
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Posted - 2016.01.26 16:13:59 -
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Zappity wrote:Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future.
I keep seeing this as well, that CCP is in financial trouble --- where does it come from???
I think the best indicator that CCP has a healthy bottom line is the fact that an investment company has enough confidence in them to drop a huge chunk of change - $30 million - for R&D of VR systems.
Surely this means less money diverted from the core business of 'EVE Online' thus more available for improvements to the game and infrastructure upgrades - who knows - in the future maybe we will see improvements like dedicated development teams to improve core code and even infrastructure upgrades like new servers... Oh they did that already.... well never mind maybe they will introduce new items and improved game play
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3757
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Posted - 2016.01.26 16:32:11 -
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Pakokkie wrote:Yes, come trough with the sp trading.
This will happen:
New brothers with zero experience buy a lot of skillpoints, then they buy a big ship, throw some uber modules on it and poof, they pop!
Let the funtimes begin!
Then he will come here or cry on the comms and everyone will have a lot of fun.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Sespria Secantus
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2016.01.26 16:33:35 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:Zappity wrote:Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future. I keep seeing this as well, that CCP is in financial trouble --- where does it come from??? I think the best indicator that CCP has a healthy bottom line is the fact that an investment company has enough confidence in them to drop a huge chunk of change - $30 million - for R&D of VR systems. Surely this means less money diverted from the core business of 'EVE Online' thus more available for improvements to the game and infrastructure upgrades - who knows - in the future maybe we will see improvements like dedicated development teams to improve core code and even infrastructure upgrades like new servers... Oh they did that already.... well never mind maybe they will introduce new items and improved game play I can't see CCP doing any improvements to this game with it's guts ripped out.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3757
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Posted - 2016.01.26 16:33:59 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote: I keep seeing this as well, that CCP is in financial trouble --- where does it come from???
They are talking from their bottoms, because there is no report, because CCP bought itself out with a lot of cash, and doesnt have to publish anything.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Sespria Secantus
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2016.01.26 16:34:45 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:Zappity wrote:Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future. I keep seeing this as well, that CCP is in financial trouble --- where does it come from??? I think the best indicator that CCP has a healthy bottom line is the fact that an investment company has enough confidence in them to drop a huge chunk of change - $30 million - for R&D of VR systems. Surely this means less money diverted from the core business of 'EVE Online' thus more available for improvements to the game and infrastructure upgrades - who knows - in the future maybe we will see improvements like dedicated development teams to improve core code and even infrastructure upgrades like new servers... Oh they did that already.... well never mind maybe they will introduce new items and improved game play I can't see how CCP can make any improvements to a game with it's guts ripped out.
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Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
273
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Posted - 2016.01.26 17:15:06 -
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Zappity wrote:Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future.
It does speak of confidence... that VR is the place to bet their future. Monitors, towers, keyboards, mice, how nostalgia gaming those are. Why do I personally think there's some financial difficulty going on in their accounting department? The sheer number of Plex and Aurum discount sales that wrapped up the last quarter of 2015. The only time any business has that many firesales is there's a hurting for liquid assets and it needs to be fed in a hurry. As CCP is a privately held company, therefore no stockholders' info packets sent out for perusal, us unwashed mass scrubs won't know how bad this hole is until the New Eden segment of TQ is shut down to customer access.
Eggs all in one basket. That basket needs a headset that is currently priced at $600 USD.
This from a game company that not too many months ago was nearly begging people to not leave, to come back, and that they'd learned their lesson on ignoring customer feedback and would keep the lines of communication open to a better extent than 2015 went. Wow, talk about tossing their own employees under the bus! How bad did that video of apology bruise someone's pride, and to go right back to the SSDD policies that lead to it being made in the first place.
Does CCP suffer from short term memory loss?
"We promise not to do that again. Oops, we did it again so... eat silence and HTFU you plebs."
Does CCP suffer from short term memory loss??? (or do they hope all of us have that problem? hmmm.)
>Jeven
Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.
'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.
Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.
Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P
No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
70
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Posted - 2016.01.26 18:24:45 -
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Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:Zappity wrote:Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future. It does speak of confidence... that VR is the place to bet their future. Monitors, towers, keyboards, mice, how nostalgia gaming those are. Why do I personally think there's some financial difficulty going on in their accounting department? The sheer number of Plex and Aurum discount sales that wrapped up the last quarter of 2015. The only time any business has that many firesales is there's a hurting for liquid assets and it needs to be fed in a hurry. As CCP is a privately held company, therefore no stockholders' info packets sent out for perusal, us unwashed mass scrubs won't know how bad this hole is until the New Eden segment of TQ is shut down to customer access. Eggs all in one basket. That basket needs a headset that is currently priced at $600 USD. This from a game company that not too many months ago was nearly begging people to not leave, to come back, and that they'd learned their lesson on ignoring customer feedback and would keep the lines of communication open to a better extent than 2015 went. Wow, talk about tossing their own employees under the bus! How bad did that video of apology bruise someone's pride, and to go right back to the SSDD policies that lead to it being made in the first place. Does CCP suffer from short term memory loss? "We promise not to do that again. Oops, we did it again so... eat silence and HTFU you plebs." Does CCP suffer from short term memory loss??? (or do they hope all of us have that problem? hmmm.) >Jeven
Samgsung headsets are $99
We can speculate as much as we like about CCP financials because they are now a privately held company but we do know how they got to be that way - In March 2014 CCP purchased back $20 million worth of equity bonds floated (with a 7% equity return) on the stock exchange, and they bought them back with 2 1/2 years left to run on the returns.....
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Julie Thorne
Project Insanity
10
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:09:20 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: If CCP came straight out and told the truth saying:
"Eve is in trouble financially and needs extra cash influx to stay alive so we apologize for breaking a golden rule we prided ourselves in upholding till now, but we're in financial trouble and have no other choice but to add a feature we never intended on implementing". (or something along those lines)
Then I would've began suggesting ideas to help them achieve those goals without damaging the game's core. But instead they ignore player feedback like we're mindless supporters and will eventually conform to the master's wishes because we have no other choice but to follow the masters (CCP) ways. It's a flatout display of lack of respect for the loyal customer base to do something like disregarding all player feedback. I'm still waiting for more details on how this feature is unfolding, but not a word from CCP. Lack of communication is what's causing my anger and distrust from all this silence.
I wholeheartedly agree.
If they need money, why not increase the subscription fee. I wouldn't be over the moon, but I wouldn't be thinking about quitting either. If noobs need more skill points, give them a few million as part of the tutorial (and make sure they don't waste it). But don't mess with the basics of EVE. What is next? Multiple servers cause they are cheaper to run? |
Yaasmine
Touch of Death
1
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:12:17 -
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Julie Thorne wrote:Daniela Doran wrote: If CCP came straight out and told the truth saying:
"Eve is in trouble financially and needs extra cash influx to stay alive so we apologize for breaking a golden rule we prided ourselves in upholding till now, but we're in financial trouble and have no other choice but to add a feature we never intended on implementing". (or something along those lines)
Then I would've began suggesting ideas to help them achieve those goals without damaging the game's core. But instead they ignore player feedback like we're mindless supporters and will eventually conform to the master's wishes because we have no other choice but to follow the masters (CCP) ways. It's a flatout display of lack of respect for the loyal customer base to do something like disregarding all player feedback. I'm still waiting for more details on how this feature is unfolding, but not a word from CCP. Lack of communication is what's causing my anger and distrust from all this silence. I wholeheartedly agree. If they need money, why not increase the subscription fee. I wouldn't be over the moon, but I wouldn't be thinking about quitting either. If noobs need more skill points, give them a few million as part of the tutorial (and make sure they don't waste it). But don't mess with the basics of EVE. What is next? Multiple servers cause they are cheaper to run?
that would work fine with me. even suggested it myself ^^
or we could limit them to like 2 injectors per 6 months or something. though the mission one works more for new players
Anabuki Tomoko wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:How many of you who think this is great for the newbros will be donating some of your skills to help a new guy out? Not asking them to reach for a credit card but just out of the goodness of your own heart or to aid a fellow member of the corp? This is why I suggested that CCP set up a donation bin where THEY can verify true newbie status and hand out injectors. Veterans donate (like for Plex4Good) and CCP gives to newbies. Otherwise, in-corp / in-alliance, probably after they pass the API check and if they show promise. or give skill injectors as a reward for finishing an Agent line mission your first time. so you finish the mining agent mission. you get 500k skill points. this would let you flesh out your mining skill a bit you finish the miltary agent mission. you get 500k skill points. this would let you flesh out some combat skills. and so on. no market change. limited to low SP chars. and the SP is given to them right after they learn the basics of a subject. which also incentives them to do tutorial-like stuff.
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gargars
The Tebo Corp
167
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:26:35 -
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This whole thing makes me very sad. People can argue I am wrong but it seems to me this is blatantly a pay-to-win thing.
The 'rich' get instant skill points and the 'poor' do not. It's buying an in-game advantage.
Never thought I would see this happen. |
Yaasmine
Touch of Death
1
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:29:33 -
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gargars wrote:This whole thing makes me very sad. People can argue I am wrong but it seems to me this is blatantly a pay-to-win thing. The 'rich' get instant skill points and the 'poor' do not. It's buying an in-game advantage. Never thought I would see this happen. =/ character bazaar ( instant skills for rich. etc)
anyway. if u think its pay to win, any idea how to smooth it out?
examples are limiting how often u can use it, or lowering how much it gives vs how much you lose to make it.
or the idea of giving to new players for finishing tutorials.
or maybe something new. |
Scott Dracov
Isogen 5
120
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:45:48 -
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What is it going to take to make CCP stop being consumed by total greed and see that their subscription player base of players paying them on a monthly or even long term yearly basis for their services at an amount that has stayed higher than ANY OTHER MMO is the envy of the game developing world?
What makes CCP so overconfident to think they can double charge their customers with micro transactions that give an in game advantage on top of the subscriptions players already pay for any legitimate reason at all?
And all this after PROMISING to NEVER MAKE EVE PAY TO WIN!
TOTAL GREED. ZERO HONESTY.
I have zero tolerance for micro transaction pay to win games.
I have zero tolerance for game developers that lie to their customers.
I will not financially support any developer who indulges themselves with this largess self absorbed nickel and dime insulting behavior.
This is beyond insulting. This is PATHETIC!
I will also never purchase ANY CCP game ever if this pay to win micro transaction fiasco goes live.
Does CCP honestly think they can destroy their reputation for honest business practices and have Valkyrie be a success by pulling people from EVE into supporting it after screwing over every single paying EVE subscriber?
Has CCP lost their minds?
here is their statement from 2011...
Statement on behalf of CCP from Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer for EVE Online
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/accord-reached-at-ccps-special-summit/?_ga=1.84544541.582313803.1452615655
Quote:It is CCPGÇÿs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.
The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCPGÇÿs plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle. CCP has committed to sharing their plans with the CSM on this front on an ongoing basis. |
gargars
The Tebo Corp
170
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:23:45 -
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Yaasmine wrote:gargars wrote:This whole thing makes me very sad. People can argue I am wrong but it seems to me this is blatantly a pay-to-win thing. The 'rich' get instant skill points and the 'poor' do not. It's buying an in-game advantage. Never thought I would see this happen. =/ character bazaar ( instant skills for rich. etc) anyway. if u think its pay to win, any idea how to smooth it out? examples are limiting how often u can use it, or lowering how much it gives vs how much you lose to make it. or the idea of giving to new players for finishing tutorials. or maybe something new.
I always thought the Character Bazaar was wrong also.
My only idea on how to 'smooth it out' is for it NOT to be implemented and am still pretty shocked CCP even brought the subject up in the first place.
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Yaasmine
Touch of Death
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:33:25 -
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gargars wrote:Yaasmine wrote:gargars wrote:This whole thing makes me very sad. People can argue I am wrong but it seems to me this is blatantly a pay-to-win thing. The 'rich' get instant skill points and the 'poor' do not. It's buying an in-game advantage. Never thought I would see this happen. =/ character bazaar ( instant skills for rich. etc) anyway. if u think its pay to win, any idea how to smooth it out? examples are limiting how often u can use it, or lowering how much it gives vs how much you lose to make it. or the idea of giving to new players for finishing tutorials. or maybe something new. I always thought the Character Bazaar was wrong also. My only idea on how to 'smooth it out' is for it NOT to be implemented and am still pretty shocked CCP even brought the subject up in the first place. brought up due to the long wait time for new characters for basic ships.
so the idea of giving them SP for finishing tutorials works. or limiting it.
as for this P2W thing, i think people are vastly over stating it(as player driven economy). though if they reduce how much higher SP characters get from it, i dont think that would hurt.
so like 30mil SP or higher characters get 100k or 50k SP from them, despite them costing 500k SP to make. (could even make it so the more injectors you use, the less you get from them)
will some people buy them in mass to get maxed characters? they'll try. but cost wise...i guess thats a reason to petition for a limit to be added to them (like 2 per 6 months, or limit them to characters under a certain total SP)
over all, new players do need to get more SP easier (i know theres the cerebrel accelerator, but the problem with that is not everyone gets it when they start, and its not explained without searching for yourself. and if you miss the 3 week time period after creation, its to late. so you start off after those 3 weeks lower. making the grind longerr)
so yes i'll admit the idea of it right now isn't perfect(nothing ever is). but thats why this thread is here. make suggestions to fix it.
sayign remove it (or as some people are doing, saying CCP is deaf or trying to kill the game) isn't going to help and will only result in CCP ignoring.
personally i'm currently in favor of a limit of 2 injectors per 6 months, or injectors being a reward for finishing tutorial missions(non tradable)
but if they release it as is, i wont complain as i stand to gain more from it than higher SP characters. i don't think it will kill the game either. as the game has always focused on numbers and builds over who has more SP. |
Oreb Wing
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:34:53 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Here's a radical suggestion for CCP if they need more money.
Instead of cash for skills, they could try to attract new players and keep the ones they already have by fixing the bugs and improving the game with new content etc Doesn't appear they no longer have the confidence to do that anymore so they're opting for the easy way out. Major changes to SOV Incoming rework of cap ships Various new ships including an expansion on MJD mechanics Incoming new type of structure significantly different than current player deployables Various seasonal events Project discovery Visual improvements More fixes than I'm willing to put forth the effort to count ...Nope, CCP is apparently showing no confidence at all. Admittingly with the Large Grid changes along with some of the mentions above, I too thought that CCP still had some creative juices left in their tanks to continue empowering Eve into the future. And then they take a HUGE step backwards by adding this cheap money grab scheme to the game that was well on it's way for a breakthrough..........sigh...... It's like seeing a fabulous castle getting built and when it was nearing it's completion the builders decided to replace some of the expensive materials with cheap materials thinking no one is gonna be able to tell the difference anyways. But the one thing the builders failed to realize is that the cheap materials have a weak foundation that will cause the entire castle to collapse within 18 months compared to lasting another 10-20 years if they continued using the finer materials.
More like the surfs that had to trudge the bricks higher and higher as the tower rose in height, and long in the tooth, the more tired and senseless they saw the exchange and difference from themselves against those mighty dreams of the raging veterans. Angry they yell, They will now be like us with the tower half built without them! Those that are angry have failed to see this tower was not rising as fast, or as sturdy.
Those of you saying VR will bust, or that you refuse to try Valkyrie: That's to bad, because it's not like anything else I've ever played and there's a reason it was chosen as the Oculus launch title. You're going to miss out. And if you think eve is about delayed achievement in SP, if feel you have been missing out on the best of Eve this whole time..
There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom.
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Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2634
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:36:03 -
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No limits please.
It is not pay to win. You cannot purchase SP for cash. You can buy SP with isk, exactly as you can buy a high SP character with isk.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:51:29 -
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The character bazaar was I thought a very bad idea and at the time I thought it set a dangerous precedent.
This idea - much worse. Got spare cash laying about? Give it to us and we will let you cheat and do better than those who don't.
This feels anti-Eve to me and everyone I have talked to about it.
You'll get your cash I am sure tho CCP. At least in the short term.
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