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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2016.02.06 17:01:31 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:The AUR price is ruinously low.
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The long term effects of this on CCP's revenue and the health of the game will be disastrous, you need to double the AUR price. Well, this needs to be paid attention to
it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Josef Djugashvilis
3244
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Posted - 2016.02.06 17:25:27 -
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Vile Swan wrote:CCP I'd like to say on behalf of the whole game. Thank you for F*****g garbage price you put on the extractors. It will only cost $100 to get a new toon to 15 million skillpoints bahahahahaha. LONG LIVE CCP.
I just hope that the whole rotten system becomes so expensive that absolutely no one uses it
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Boe Harknes
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2016.02.06 18:35:33 -
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Im still not sure what the difference between this or buying a character off the bazaar. Either way it is a way to convert real money to game power. Still doesnt change the fact that a crappy pilot is still a crappy pilot and wont last very long in game. |
Tristan Agion
Viziam Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2016.02.06 18:46:56 -
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*slow clap*
Next time I think CCP is doing something right, I will just shut my face and leave the floor to the haters. Lesson learned. |
Tamara Jade
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.02.06 19:16:42 -
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OUCH, the cost of an Skill Extractor is about 300 mil ISK. I guess the injectors will be around the 700 mil ISK price. A bit expensive for gaining 10 days of training. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1898
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Posted - 2016.02.06 19:46:39 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:The AUR price is ruinously low. The majority of SP extraction will be currently unneeded SP and it will be sold no matter how little profit is in it, making the injectors little more expensive than extractors long term. The bulk price of 800 AUR/extractor means that with the low margin on injectors, buying injectors is not only faster than buying multiple pilot training certificates, it's cheaper too. The long term effects of this on CCP's revenue and the health of the game will be disastrous, you need to double the AUR price. That's pretty presumptuous regarding the potential value of SP don't you think? The mandated price may taper demand some, but it's likely going to have some negative effect on supply compared to if it were more trivial as well. Also the initial rush of "waste" SP will meet the initial desire for SP that's been pent up here. I don't think these will have a marginal cost for a while. |
Berrice Silf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2016.02.06 19:58:20 -
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Tristan Agion wrote:*slow clap*
Next time I think CCP is doing something right, I will just shut my face and leave the floor to the haters. Lesson learned.
Its not Haters mate, after 11 years you get to see when one of the CCP dudes decides to have one of these HUGE brain fart moments and they release information then stay totally silent on certain important details of said eureka moment. It becomes a please realize what your doing .... not !!!
Instead of just biting the bullet and selling them to everyone for a set fee you get this convoluted crap that now the price has been released a few days before it goes live all those poor sods who were hailing it as the second coming of EvE have realized they've been conned again.
Well played Rise, Maybe the masses would be better to remember next time - Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me |
Soltys
63
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Posted - 2016.02.06 20:30:49 -
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Tamara Jade wrote:OUCH, the cost of an Skill Extractor is about 300 mil ISK. I guess the injectors will be around the 700 mil ISK price. A bit expensive for gaining 10 days of training.
It's like if they desperately wanted everyone to not use this feature.
If we mapped this cost directly to the character bazaar - 2 plexes is 7 (seven) extractors = 3.5m sp. Then the transfer fee for a 35m sp character would be 20 (twenty) plexes. Assuming they wouldn't try to emulate diminishing returns somehow.
How many people would be using character bazaar then ?
Jita Flipping Inc.: Solmp / Kovl
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Tamara Jade
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.02.06 20:36:21 -
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Soltys wrote:Tamara Jade wrote:OUCH, the cost of an Skill Extractor is about 300 mil ISK. I guess the injectors will be around the 700 mil ISK price. A bit expensive for gaining 10 days of training. It's like if they desperately wanted everyone to not use this feature. If we mapped this cost directly to the character bazaar - 2 plexes is 7 (seven) extractors = 3.5m sp. Then the transfer fee for a 35m sp character would be 20 (twenty) plexes. Assuming they wouldn't try to emulate diminishing returns somehow. How many people would be using character bazaar then ? How is this sp trading thing supposed to be better / more flexible / whatever alternative to bazaar ?
Basically what they are saying is PLEX is going up to 1.5 bil soon and toons sold on the Bazaar should go up in price as well. The Bazaar is way underpriced. |
Berrice Silf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:54:42 -
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Now this turd is going live, remember what it said at the bottom of the original blog.
Oh, and one last note on the Bazaar, it won't go anywhere for now
Why let folks give whole toons away for a measly 2 plex when we can ream them dry on 500k packets |
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2054
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:21:23 -
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Berrice Silf wrote:Now this turd is going live, remember what it said at the bottom of the original blog. Oh, and one last note on the Bazaar, it won't go anywhere for nowWhy let folks give whole toons away for a measly 2 plex when we can ream them dry on 500k packets
They say you can't polish a turd but you really can...of course, that means you just end up with a shiny turd.... |
Zozoll Neblyn
Ziggurat Forge
21
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:05:38 -
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So is it 4.3 extractors per PLEX?
And I think the number was 223 Injectors to get from 0 SP to 80 m SP.
So 52 PLEX for the extractors, plus whatever the SP themselves cost.
And I guess SP is about 2 mil per month for a farm, so maximum price would be 1/4 PLEX to convert an extractor to an injector, so for 223 injectors we're looking at 56 PLEX for the SP. ... But that is an absolute max price.
So 108 PLEX buys you an 80 m SP character with a name chosen by you, and no corp history. A pay 2 win player buys PLEX for $17.50 each, unless they wait for a PLEX sale.
So if you are Pay2Win you're looking at paying $1,890.00.
So... if Warren Buffet decides to start playing Eve after this goes into effect, he's going to get quite a head start! |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
416
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:17:49 -
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Tamara Jade wrote:OUCH, the cost of an Skill Extractor is about 300 mil ISK. I guess the injectors will be around the 700 mil ISK price. A bit expensive for gaining 10 days of training. They'll be around 500 - 600mil assuming PLEX at 1.2B.
Roughly 275mil for an extractor, and around 300mil for the 500k SP.
My guess is they will stabilise between 500mil to 600mil.
Certainly if they go anything over 600mil then farmers will be jumping in.
A PLEX should buy a newbie 1M SP (for this they will have to use CC but then that was always obvious to anyone with common sense).
I'd say CCP has got the price about right, too low and it is easily abusable by the big alliances, and too high and it is prohibitive for the masses.
I still think this skill trading proposal is a stupid idea and detrimental to the game and is not at all very eve-like, but pricing at 800aur to 1000aur was the only option that CCP could realistically go with.
When they said it was going to be equivalent to the cost of using the bazaar I must admit I took it with a pinch of salt, this is priced way over cost of doing business in the bazaar.
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
222
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:34:43 -
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Still well enough affordable for T3 pilots to keep an injector or two with their med clones.
Still would have liked an isk sink somewhere in this plan. Oh well, back to business...
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
447
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:02:38 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Tamara Jade wrote:OUCH, the cost of an Skill Extractor is about 300 mil ISK. I guess the injectors will be around the 700 mil ISK price. A bit expensive for gaining 10 days of training. They'll be around 500 - 600mil assuming PLEX at 1.2B. Roughly 275mil for an extractor, and around 300mil for the 500k SP. My guess is they will stabilise between 500mil to 600mil. Certainly if they go anything over 600mil then farmers will be jumping in. A PLEX should buy a newbie 1M SP (for this they will have to use CC but then that was always obvious to anyone with common sense). I'd say CCP has got the price about right, too low and it is easily abusable by the big alliances, and too high and it is prohibitive for the masses. I still think this skill trading proposal is a stupid idea and detrimental to the game and is not at all very eve-like, but pricing at 800aur to 1000aur was the only option that CCP could realistically go with. When they said it was going to be equivalent to the cost of using the bazaar I must admit I took it with a pinch of salt, this is priced way over cost of doing business in the bazaar. Well this is one of the things I was hoping for if they insisted with this SP trading garbage and that was to raise the prices soo high that the scrubs would have to work overtime (and maybe sell some of their personal belongings on Ebay) to pay for them, LOL.
I condone this decision by CCP because at the very least, it'll reduce the cancerous effects that SP trading will have on Eve and prolonged its lifespan.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2168
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:05:48 -
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Good thing it will not look like a extremely overpriced f2p paywall in a subscription now. Now it will look like an extremely insane overprised f2p paywall in a subscription game. Good job!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Dracnys
86
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:13:06 -
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The high aurum price and decreasing yield for high SP characters means that the character bazaar will be much cheaper than buying injectors. People who want to buy a lot of SP will continue to buy a character.
So this limits the SP injectors to people who just need a little SP to do get into a new ship, use a module or whatever. This is not very impactful to the overall balance of the game. So actually the high price makes me less worried about the consequences of SP trading, because it's so inefficient. |
Zozoll Neblyn
Ziggurat Forge
21
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:58:32 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Good thing it will not look like a extremely overpriced f2p paywall in a subscription now. Now it will look like an extremely insane overprised f2p paywall in a subscription game. Good job!
The result would be that the game doesn't get unbalanced by it. Nobody who isn't super rich is going to be willing to buy enough injectors to "win". Maybe get a few weeks ahead without waiting.
But it's not a situation where, if you don't pay, you lose. Not even a situation where refusing to pay puts you at a significant disadvantage.
If the price were like $50.00 for a 80 m SP character, then you'd have to pay or you might as well not bother to play. But at $1890.00 I think it's a safe bet you won't get gank swarmed by an bunch of 80m SP pay players who started last week.
Not unless a Harvard Fraternity gets into Eve, or something. |
Memphis Baas
1057
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:58:53 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Still well enough affordable for T3 pilots to keep an injector or two with their med clones.
It's priced perfectly, from a business cash grab (let's use the forum vernacular) point of view: just under the "screw this crap" affordability point.
They missed the mark with the SKINs; hopefully they'll compare the sales numbers from this vs. from SKINs and adjust the SKINs (downward, and a lot). Clothing / outfits, too.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6939
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Posted - 2016.02.07 05:31:46 -
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This is hilarious, yep.
it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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BearStrikesBack
Sequent Industry Out of Sight.
2
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Posted - 2016.02.07 07:46:27 -
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Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.
So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)? |
Tau Phoenix
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
85
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Posted - 2016.02.07 10:58:04 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Berrice Silf wrote:Now this turd is going live, remember what it said at the bottom of the original blog. Oh, and one last note on the Bazaar, it won't go anywhere for nowWhy let folks give whole toons away for a measly 2 plex when we can ream them dry on 500k packets They say you can't polish a turd but you really can...of course, that means you just end up with a shiny turd....
No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in Glitter. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2055
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Posted - 2016.02.07 11:09:46 -
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Tau Phoenix wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Berrice Silf wrote:Now this turd is going live, remember what it said at the bottom of the original blog. Oh, and one last note on the Bazaar, it won't go anywhere for nowWhy let folks give whole toons away for a measly 2 plex when we can ream them dry on 500k packets They say you can't polish a turd but you really can...of course, that means you just end up with a shiny turd.... No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in Glitter .
The y could name the next developer to join CCP Truffle....and just not tell them why :D |
Josef Djugashvilis
3252
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Posted - 2016.02.07 12:07:19 -
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There seems to be a trend by some of those who say that cash for skills is more or less the same thing as the Character Bazaar.
Let me clear that up for you.
The Character Bazaar was implemented by CCP as a means to reduce the 'game illegal' buying and selling of characters on various websites. The logic was that the Character Bazaar controlled by CCP would both reduce this (primary purpose) and provide an income stream for CCP - a by-product of the primary purpose.
Cash for skills has been introduced by CCP, allegedly to help new players, (yeah right,) given that the new player would have to effectively pay more real life cash to avail themselves of this feature.
In reality, two groups will benefit by the introduction of cash for skills, CCP (primary purpose) and in-game wealthy veterans.
A money grab is a money grab - no amount of pretending that it is for the new players can cover this up.
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Shova'k
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2016.02.07 13:20:18 -
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Tau Phoenix wrote:No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in Glitter .
actually you can mythbusters proved turds can be polished much like this pile of crap system :P |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2055
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Posted - 2016.02.07 14:52:12 -
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Shova'k wrote:Tau Phoenix wrote:No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in Glitter . actually you can mythbusters proved turds can be polished much like this pile of crap system :P
So mythbusters proved me right, you just end up with a shiny turd :D |
Memphis Baas
1069
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Posted - 2016.02.07 14:59:51 -
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BearStrikesBack wrote:Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.
So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)?
First, please use mil or mio instead of kk, because a thousand thousands is a million.
Second, currently, on the test server, unallocated points don't count towards the limit (80 million), but a CCP dev has said they are fixing that by Tuesday as it's not intended.
If you have 79.000 million and add 3 injectors of 300k each, that's 79.900 million, so you're still under the limit for the fourth. Now, it would make sense that the fourth injector checks what you HAVE and gives you 300k because you're under the limit, but I don't know what CCP is actually doing.
It's only a 2 day wait, just wait for it, and then ask again, give people a chance to see what CCP actually implements on the live servers. It's not set in stone until then. |
Tau Phoenix
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
87
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Posted - 2016.02.07 15:34:29 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Shova'k wrote:Tau Phoenix wrote:No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in Glitter . actually you can mythbusters proved turds can be polished much like this pile of crap system :P So mythbusters proved me right, you just end up with a shiny turd :D
I stand corrected. You can polish a Turd:
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/polishing-a-turd-minimyth/ |
BearStrikesBack
Sequent Industry Out of Sight.
3
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Posted - 2016.02.07 15:40:41 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:BearStrikesBack wrote:Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.
So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)? First, please use mil or mio instead of kk, because a thousand thousands is a million. Second, currently, on the test server, unallocated points don't count towards the limit (80 million), but a CCP dev has said they are fixing that by Tuesday as it's not intended. If you have 79.000 million and add 3 injectors of 300k each, that's 79.900 million, so you're still under the limit for the fourth. Now, it would make sense that the fourth injector checks what you HAVE and gives you 300k because you're under the limit, but I don't know what CCP is actually doing. It's only a 2 day wait, just wait for it, and then ask again, give people a chance to see what CCP actually implements on the live servers. It's not set in stone until then.
Unallocated SP curently counts on the test server. Tested today. If you have 79 trained and 1 unallocated, it is counts as 80 total, leaving you with only 150k per injector.
The only SP range where AUR-bought SPs can compete (by price) with character bazaar is 0-5m SP character range. |
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
72
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Posted - 2016.02.07 20:52:41 -
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So you get 3 extractors for a converted PLEX with about 500 left over
That's ok you can always convert the leftovers into to a 500 Aurum Token and sell it on the Market |
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