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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2016.01.18 19:50:10 -
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In anticipation of the upcoming ability to buy and sell skillpoints I thought I'd get this one in here.
I don't pretend I'll ever qualify.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
90
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Posted - 2016.01.18 23:17:03 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:In anticipation of the upcoming ability to buy and sell skillpoints I thought I'd get this one in here.
I don't pretend I'll ever qualify.
If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex, NO ONE WILL, as it will cost several trillion isk to buy enough sp to max out a single character.
The only people who will benefit from This is CCP in increased Plex / Aurum sales from those deluded enough to think they can gain an advantage by buying SP. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1857
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Posted - 2016.01.19 05:48:08 -
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Amateratsu wrote:If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex. Source for this expectation? |
Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
92
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Posted - 2016.01.19 10:18:54 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Amateratsu wrote:If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex. Source for this expectation?
It was suggested in the previous Dev Blog that the extractor would be analogous to the plex service fee in the character bazarr. And in a lot of the feedback to that Dev Blog.
Regardless, for someone >80 mil SP it will require 7 extractors / injectors per 1m SP, so taking myself as an example. I would need a further 250 million Sp = 1,750 extractors / injectors which will likely not be cheaper than 1 bil isk each.
Thinking about it, there are probably 100's of players with more money than sense who will gladly max out their characters, be it Aurum, Plex, ISK or real life money.
As soon as that happens, sites like Eve Board will be meaningless.
Either way, I'm done. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1585
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Posted - 2016.01.19 18:04:39 -
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Amateratsu wrote: As soon as that happens, sites like Eve Board will be meaningless.
Either way, I'm done.
Implying that Eve Board is deeply important and full of meaning right now.
No offense to Chribba, of course - Eveboard is great, and occasionally fun to browse for the sake of curiosity, but "meaningful"?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1193
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Posted - 2016.01.19 18:49:22 -
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Yes, meaningful.
It is every bit as meaningful as Evemon Kill boards Skill planners Character profiles Ship skins etc. etc.
The only place where global rankings are tracked at this time. The best place to compare your characters progress against other players. For people who incorporate the site as part of their gaming time, super meaningful.
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:04:36 -
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Amateratsu wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Amateratsu wrote:If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex. Source for this expectation? It was suggested in the previous Dev Blog that the extractor would be analogous to the plex service fee in the character bazarr. And in a lot of the feedback to that Dev Blog. Regardless, for someone >80 mil SP it will require 7 extractors / injectors per 1m SP, so taking myself as an example. I would need a further 250 million Sp = 1,750 extractors / injectors which will likely not be cheaper than 1 bil isk each. Thinking about it, there are probably 100's of players with more money than sense who will gladly max out their characters, be it Aurum, Plex, ISK or real life money. As soon as that happens, sites like Eve Board will be meaningless. Either way, I'm done.
I don't think I'd make any use of the feature if the price is even close to that of a PLEX. Equivalent to 100 mil or so maybe. Much more than that I'd be wondering why I didn't just buy the faction module rather than the sp.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1858
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:26:32 -
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Amateratsu wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Amateratsu wrote:If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex. Source for this expectation? It was suggested in the previous Dev Blog that the extractor would be analogous to the plex service fee in the character bazarr. And in a lot of the feedback to that Dev Blog. Regardless, for someone >80 mil SP it will require 7 extractors / injectors per 1m SP, so taking myself as an example. I would need a further 250 million Sp = 1,750 extractors / injectors which will likely not be cheaper than 1 bil isk each. Thinking about it, there are probably 100's of players with more money than sense who will gladly max out their characters, be it Aurum, Plex, ISK or real life money. As soon as that happens, sites like Eve Board will be meaningless. Either way, I'm done. Maybe I don't know what the word 'analogous' means after all, because I read that and got nothing near the interpretation "extractors will cost 1 PLEX."
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5674
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Posted - 2016.01.20 18:00:35 -
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Thus ended the reign of Dr Caymus. |
Cixi
16
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Posted - 2016.01.20 18:42:21 -
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The price for extractor will be either (in AUR equivalent)
2 PLEX - Unlikely 1 PLEX - Unlikely 0.75 PLEX Possible but I hope it wont be that price 0.5 PLEX - The most probable outcome 0.25 PLEX - Possible but CCP would make a poor financial decision doing so 0.20 PLEX - Unlikely
The price of SP will be an added 1/4 of a PLEX so 0.25 PLEX
So the price of injectors will be between 0.75 and 1 plex
if you already have 80 mil SP, you need 2467 Injector ot get the rest, so between 1850 and 2467 PLEX, which is a lot but not really impossible
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Shaleen
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2016.01.21 10:14:06 -
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Lol exactly my thought . Very sad
It put the lotion on the skin or else it get a hose again
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Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
107
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Posted - 2016.01.27 18:07:41 -
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Shaleen wrote:Lol exactly my thought . Very sad Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet! |
Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
102
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Posted - 2016.01.27 19:41:33 -
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Dr Caymus wrote:Shaleen wrote:Lol exactly my thought . Very sad Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet!
Yeah, I'm sure CCP will be willing to give you the Black Market Trading Skill for the right price, since their only interest in the game these days is finding more ways to milk its player base for more $$$$. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5694
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:07:19 -
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I wouldn't put it past someone like Markee Dragon.
[Boy, he's come a long way since rares trading in Ultima Online.] |
The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:55:51 -
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I need some folks to clue me in. Isn't this supposed to be a normal item in the market, and hence the price will be guided by player-driven market forces? Or is this going to be an AUR type of thing, which changes expectations?
The way I see it, there's no point in trying to predict price of injectors - as it's all based on supply-demand. And I also need help understanding why the guesses everyone is making are relative to plex?
I'm not being snippy; I'm just clueless, and yet fascinated, by this whole what-will-injectors-and-SP-cost speculation.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5694
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:11:51 -
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The Larold wrote:I need some folks to clue me in. Isn't this supposed to be a normal item in the market, and hence the price will be guided by player-driven market forces? Or is this going to be an AUR type of thing, which changes expectations? Both.
Skill Injector: ISK (market traded item) Skill Extractor: AUR (NES item)
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/skill-trading-in-new-eden/ |
LordOdysseus
Skyfang Inc.
2633
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Posted - 2016.01.29 02:22:33 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I wouldn't put it past someone like Markee Dragon.
[Boy, he's come a long way since rares trading in Ultima Online.]
Who hasn't played Ultima Online?The first MMO.
EDIT: Oh the memories.....KAL VAS FLAM!
If fire doesn't solve your problem,you're not using enough.
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Bibosikus
Aliastra
200
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Posted - 2016.01.31 21:11:11 -
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The Larold wrote:I need some folks to clue me in. Isn't this supposed to be a normal item in the market, and hence the price will be guided by player-driven market forces? Or is this going to be an AUR type of thing, which changes expectations?
The way I see it, there's no point in trying to predict price of injectors - as it's all based on supply-demand. And I also need help understanding why the guesses everyone is making are relative to plex?
I'm not being snippy; I'm just clueless, and yet fascinated, by this whole what-will-injectors-and-SP-cost speculation.
I too find this concept fascinating, having only learned of it today (been on a hiatus) and read up for an hour or so in the gloriously indignant threads that have sprung into being.
The fixed fee in Aurum to buy an Extractor makes sense, however much that may be; CCP want to boost activity on the NES I'm sure. But also, a new drilled-down market on a previously untapped resource needs a solid financial base. Finding Extractors in Data Sites would break a few things, I'd imagine..
After that, all is market-driven, and in keeping with CCP's philosophy of Let Them Fling Sand. As we no doubt will. And, as with every other newly-introduced resource, the Haves and Have Nots will profit & loss greatly for a few weeks then gradually find an equilibrium.
From a personal perspective, I have me and two other characters with "80m+" skill points and I might investigate streamlining them. But given the fact that any Injector - whatever the cost - will only be worth 2.3 days' training time (at 2700/hour), I doubt I'll be bothering. Null players not using Skill implants though.. I could imagine a hefty market there!
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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Shaleen
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:41:35 -
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Dr Caymus wrote:Shaleen wrote:Lol exactly my thought . Very sad Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet!
You better be ready to pay that price because you are no longer NR 1 , which is super sad in my opinion....
It put the lotion on the skin or else it get a hose again
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Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
109
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Posted - 2016.02.12 17:14:54 -
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Shaleen wrote:Dr Caymus wrote:Shaleen wrote:Lol exactly my thought . Very sad Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet! You better be ready to pay that price because you are no longer NR 1 , which is super sad in my opinion.... My original comment was made, of course, tongue-in-cheek, but the estimate ended up being high. The actual cost would be closer to $10,000 based on actual Skill Extractor pricing.
In reality, I have the means to get there with current in-game assets, but I'd have a hell of a lot of liquidating of various investments to get it done. The real question is: is it really worth that much ISK? |
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2016.02.12 19:20:41 -
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Dr Caymus wrote:Shaleen wrote:Dr Caymus wrote:Shaleen wrote:Lol exactly my thought . Very sad Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet! You better be ready to pay that price because you are no longer NR 1 , which is super sad in my opinion.... My original comment was made, of course, tongue-in-cheek, but the estimate ended up being high. The actual cost would be closer to $10,000 based on actual Skill Extractor pricing. In reality, I have the means to get there with current in-game assets, but I'd have a hell of a lot of liquidating of various investments to get it done. The real question is: is it really worth that much ISK?
The only true value is the Goal you set yourself. Others will always remember the ones, that put in the most effort & did it with style.
If time is spent doing something you enjoy, & you spent 10years getting to that goal. The reward is the memory of such deeds not the goal.
EVEBoard ...Just over 30million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
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Shaleen
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2016.02.12 21:15:08 -
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Dr Caymus wrote:Shaleen wrote:Dr Caymus wrote:Shaleen wrote:Lol exactly my thought . Very sad Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet! You better be ready to pay that price because you are no longer NR 1 , which is super sad in my opinion.... My original comment was made, of course, tongue-in-cheek, but the estimate ended up being high. The actual cost would be closer to $10,000 based on actual Skill Extractor pricing. In reality, I have the means to get there with current in-game assets, but I'd have a hell of a lot of liquidating of various investments to get it done. The real question is: is it really worth that much ISK?
Absolutely not. In my eyes you reached that top first
It put the lotion on the skin or else it get a hose again
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Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
110
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Posted - 2016.02.13 16:21:59 -
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Celise Katelo wrote: The only true value is the Goal you set yourself. Others will always remember the ones, that put in the most effort & did it with style.
If time is spent doing something you enjoy, & you spent 10 years getting to that goal. The reward is the memory of such deeds not the goal.
Shaleen wrote: Absolutely not. In my eyes you reached that top first
Great thoughts, guys, thanks, but thoughts for the annals of history.
An esteemed colleague said to me just yesterday: "Doc, it's the dawn of a new era in skills... adapt or die!"
Heh, perhaps CCP is faced with the same notion in the direction it must take with the game...
Wise words, dying is not an option. Time for a new set of goals and new course of action!
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digitalwanderer
DW inc
404
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Posted - 2016.02.13 16:43:43 -
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I can see skill injectors going into a fierce price war as more and more of them are on the market and compete with each other, but I got no use for them as most of the skills I wanted maxed out are already done.....Hitting 270 million SP and done the natural way....
Skill injectors in game = using steroids in real life..... |
Pistonbroke
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
29
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Posted - 2016.02.14 14:18:09 -
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Well done - you won eve
CCP, enjoy your ill gotten gains - champagne and Russian Hookers all round!
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Bibosikus
Aliastra
203
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:18:52 -
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Someone was bound to do it..
Does he have all the rare/discontinued skills too? I can't recall what is/is not still out there...
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
102
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:09:07 -
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And thus ends the Reign of Towaoc as a 3 day old character buys himself to Maximum Availlable SP.
Any one care to work out how much real life $$$ that cost him?
Congratulations CCP, Enjoy the burst of new income while it lasts. Once the novelty wares off it will be time to find other ways to milk the cows till they bleed.
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MECHcore
Evil Celes Death from Above..
62
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Posted - 2016.02.15 01:17:58 -
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Dr Caymus wrote:
Great thoughts, guys, thanks, but thoughts for the annals of history.
An esteemed colleague said to me just yesterday: "Doc, it's the dawn of a new era in skills... adapt or die!"
Heh, perhaps CCP is faced with the same notion in the direction it must take with the game...
Wise words, dying is not an option. Time for a new set of goals and new course of action!
Dr Caymus im playing since 2004/04 and in my eyes you still are the reigning SP champ, you made it that far oldschool style, not like the wannabees, buying themselves into it, so sir you have my respect.
Myself i have 236m SP, and i worked hard to achieve that, nevertheless all undone now with some people playing with their credit card.
The true essence of this game is lost, im gonna have a hard time staying around trying to convince myself to keep playing, not sure if i can hold on till the summer.
Any other sci fi mmos recommended ? :) |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2016.02.15 05:32:01 -
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LordOdysseus wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I wouldn't put it past someone like Markee Dragon.
[Boy, he's come a long way since rares trading in Ultima Online.] Who hasn't played Ultima Online?The first MMO. EDIT: Oh the memories.....KAL VAS FLAM! I had to play Ultima number something, but not 1, before it was online, and it ran on an Apple computer very likely with black and white graphics and text. |
Cixi
29
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Posted - 2016.02.15 10:21:17 -
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Amateratsu wrote:And thus ends the Reign of Towaoc as a 3 day old character buys himself to Maximum Availlable SP.
Any one care to work out how much real life $$$ that cost him?
Congratulations CCP, Enjoy the burst of new income while it lasts. Once the novelty wares off it will be time to find other ways to milk the cows till they bleed.
He didn't pay a cent IRL, he is the guy who runs iwantisk |
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