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Royaldo
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.01.26 17:32:00 -
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teaspoon time.. mega beam - 425 - 1400 = same size
tachyon has no equal.
see?
you cannot compare them to 1400's or 425's. its like comparing dual heavy beams with 1400's or 425's.
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2007.01.26 17:39:00 -
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The cap cost it seems at BS V is fair as it shuld cost more then blasters but not that much, the key is in that it costs alot more in the PG area, the PG needs to be lowered,, the pilots skills should be enough to fit atleast the highs with the largest weapons freely without neeing a mod, it can need a mod to fitting mroe thne just the weapons arfter wards tho but it should be able to fit the basic weapons. And it was shown a apoc needs fitting mods to use full set and it is tier 2 like the mega or the temp but it needs mods to use a full set.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.26 18:09:00 -
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You are looking at the problem incorrectly.
Caldari ships are Railboats, not Gallente, and Caldari ships are supposed to be notorious for low pg.
So in actuality, the problem is that Amarr ships need at least 20% more base grid, while lasers need a CPU use reduction across the board.
Railguns are not balanced in that their base range is the best even without the Caldari optimal bonus, so they should have their optimal cut 40% or more (yes this kills Gallente snipers, but so what?).
Artillary is fine as is.
That is what is wrong with the OP, doesn't take into account the ships the weapons are intended to be used on. Straight across literal balance is a mistake.
I do still want my Tachyon Pulse Lasers though.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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MrDisposable
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Posted - 2007.01.26 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian You are looking at the problem incorrectly.
Caldari ships are Railboats, not Gallente, and Caldari ships are supposed to be notorious for low pg.
So in actuality, the problem is that Amarr ships need at least 20% more base grid, while lasers need a CPU use reduction across the board.
Railguns are not balanced in that their base range is the best even without the Caldari optimal bonus, so they should have their optimal cut 40% or more (yes this kills Gallente snipers, but so what?).
Artillary is fine as is.
That is what is wrong with the OP, doesn't take into account the ships the weapons are intended to be used on. Straight across literal balance is a mistake.
I do still want my Tachyon Pulse Lasers though.
I am going to have to agree with you. I had completely forgotten about caldari in this whole discussion and that blinded me to railgun usage on caldari ships with limited PG.
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Montero
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 18:27:00 -
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Oh for christs sake stop whining; it's pathetic. ---------
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MrDisposable
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Posted - 2007.01.26 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Montero Oh for christs sake stop whining; it's pathetic.
Thanks for proving you have nothing to add to a decent conversation at all. Lemme help you feel included in this conversation.
Grog not happy. Tachys hard fit. CCP Fix.
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Montero
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: MrDisposable
Originally by: Montero Oh for christs sake stop whining; it's pathetic.
Thanks for proving you have nothing to add to a decent conversation at all.
Not at all dis-similar to yourself then? ---------
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MrDisposable
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Posted - 2007.01.26 18:40:00 -
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Lets see... did I troll... no Did I try to bring up an issue... yes Did I cry about crying.... no
Run along kid, adults are speaking.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.26 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: MrDisposable My main point of this thread was to clear up confusion about Tachyons being oversized... they are not. 425 MMIIs are whats out of whack in the large turret arena. They should by all means have higher PG requirements.
Tachyons are pretty clearly oversized.
take a look at the PG requirements for Heavy Beams and 720 Arties.
They are exactly the same. Take a look at the PG requirements for Megabeams and 1400s.
They are exactly the same.
Aside from the small level[where Medium beams are an abberation, and as has been stated, needs fixing], the "top teir" weapon for both arties and beams has the same powergrid requirement.
This follows on with Tachyons.
Looking at the pure damage outputs from each of the weapons on the large, medium, and small scale, they all follow a similar meme.
The short range gun has the most damage[megabeams] the lowest optimal, and the lowset falloff.
The medium range gun has the lowest damage, the lowest optimal and a much superior falloff.
The long range gun has the highest optimal and a falloff slightly larger than the falloff of the short range gun and does middling damage.
Only with tachyons does this not follow, where it has an optimal greater than the medium range gun. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.26 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
First of all if that was the case.. how comes in the past I see more apocs then geddons in fleet combat and these days the abbadon is on the rise in the fleet ranks, so no its not the best fleet sniper.
Because some people can't be assed to do the math and use inferior ships for a given role doesn't mean they're better ships. The Apoc doesn't have a damage bonus. The Abaddon has an 8th turret but an inferior damage bonus and goes dry in no time flat without an injector (that it doesn't have an extra slot for so it's now at a 3-slot utility disadvantage to the Mega/Pest compared to 2-slot like the Geddon).
Are you next going to suggest that people should be using the Megathron as a pure drone-boat over the Dominix? The Raven as an EW boat over the Scorpion? After all, Tier 2 > Tier 1 . Ships are good for specific roles, and arguments based on classifying them by arbitrary Tier instead of what they're actually good at are ridiculous.
Quote: Secondly its still a tier 1 battleship, reguadless of what figures you put out, they will always be a tier 1 battleship compaired to a teir 2.. nothing more and nothing less. So how about trying to fit a full rack of 425 rails on a dominix, plus other fitting.
The Dominix is not designed to rely solely on turrets for damage as a fleet sniper. Making apples and oranges comparisons because you can't come up with a valid argument just makes you look stupid. As already stated at least three times: no matter which of the three Amarr BSs you use, to fit a full rack of Tachyons requires two fitting modules. So you could just as easily use the Abaddon for comparison to the Tempest and Megathron (Tier 3 > Tier 2 right lol?) and the result would be exactly the same.
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Montero
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: MrDisposable Lets see... did I troll... no Did I try to bring up an issue... yes Did I cry about crying.... no
Run along kid, adults are speaking.
you made an invalid point about something you clearly don't really understand. ---------
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.26 21:43:00 -
[42]
Thread cleaned, please do not troll threads. Should you see any trolling going please let us know at: [email protected]
Thank you.
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Toshiro Khan
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.26 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lowanaera
Originally by: Toshiro Khan
First of all if that was the case.. how comes in the past I see more apocs then geddons in fleet combat and these days the abbadon is on the rise in the fleet ranks, so no its not the best fleet sniper.
Because some people can't be assed to do the math and use inferior ships for a given role doesn't mean they're better ships. The Apoc doesn't have a damage bonus. The Abaddon has an 8th turret but an inferior damage bonus and goes dry in no time flat without an injector (that it doesn't have an extra slot for so it's now at a 3-slot utility disadvantage to the Mega/Pest compared to 2-slot like the Geddon).
Are you next going to suggest that people should be using the Megathron as a pure drone-boat over the Dominix? The Raven as an EW boat over the Scorpion? After all, Tier 2 > Tier 1 . Ships are good for specific roles, and arguments based on classifying them by arbitrary Tier instead of what they're actually good at are ridiculous.
Quote: Secondly its still a tier 1 battleship, reguadless of what figures you put out, they will always be a tier 1 battleship compaired to a teir 2.. nothing more and nothing less. So how about trying to fit a full rack of 425 rails on a dominix, plus other fitting.
The Dominix is not designed to rely solely on turrets for damage as a fleet sniper. Making apples and oranges comparisons because you can't come up with a valid argument just makes you look stupid. As already stated at least three times: no matter which of the three Amarr BSs you use, to fit a full rack of Tachyons requires two fitting modules. So you could just as easily use the Abaddon for comparison to the Tempest and Megathron (Tier 3 > Tier 2 right lol?) and the result would be exactly the same.
And at the end of the day.. you just can't get past the FACT, you are trying to put the a TIER 1 Battleship in with a TIER 2 group..
Sorry, but not matter how much you try and justify your reasons you are WRONG.. you want to compair teir 1 battlkeships then do so.. but don't compair teir 1 and teir 2's.. as thats just creating false results.
As for your weak argument about the domi not being designed for turret damage.. I guess you wasn't about when the domi had turret bonuses. I guess you wasn't about when the raven was a railgun ship. As i said if you want to compaire ships then do it by teirs or just don't do it at all otherwise you will always come out with fale results.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.26 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
And at the end of the day.. you just can't get past the FACT, you are trying to put the a TIER 1 Battleship in with a TIER 2 group..
Sorry, but not matter how much you try and justify your reasons you are WRONG.. you want to compair teir 1 battlkeships then do so.. but don't compair teir 1 and teir 2's.. as thats just creating false results.
As for your weak argument about the domi not being designed for turret damage.. I guess you wasn't about when the domi had turret bonuses. I guess you wasn't about when the raven was a railgun ship. As i said if you want to compaire ships then do it by teirs or just don't do it at all otherwise you will always come out with fale results.
Or, we could just compare ships based on what they are best for.
Apocs dont make as good a fleet sniper as an Amrageddon does, when comparing fleet snipers, its best to compare the best one.
However, in the runing for Tachs, the tachs do not fit well on a geddon due to slot issues when attempting to get as much range as possible ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
Mr Hyde113
Amarr Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.27 00:02:00 -
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In essence every type of gun has a long range and short range. Lasers : PULSE BEAM Projectiles : AUTOS ARTY Hybrids : BLASTER RAILS
Inside the gun categroy there is s, m , l so with lasers small pulses have 3 variants while beams have 2 variants. Hybrids have 3 types of small rails and 3 types of blasters. Projectiles have 2 types of arty and 3 types of autos. SO.... are 125mm rails oversized?
Mediums : Arty x 2 Autos x3 Blasters x3 Rails x3 Beams x3 Pulse x2 so are heavy neutron blasters and 425mm autos oversized or are heavy pulses needing a third tier. Also are Heavy beams and 250mm rails oversized or is there a missing tier 3 arty.
Large: Rails x3 Blasters x3 Beams x3 Pulses x3 Autos x3 Arty x2 so is there a missing tier 3 arty. Clearly ther tachyon is NOT oversized yet has more fitting requirements that are not fair. Rohk Hyperion Mega Tempest and Maelstrom can fit the highest tier of their long range gun without any fitting mods while Geddon, Apoc and Abaddon can not fit their highest tier weapn without at least 2 pg mods and can not fire the weapons with out a cap booster. This is how well the philosophy of High pg cap and armor works out.
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Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.27 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
Sorry, but not matter how much you try and justify your reasons you are WRONG.. you want to compair teir 1 battlkeships then do so.. but don't compair teir 1 and teir 2's.. as thats just creating false results.
If you get the exact same results with an Apoc as with a Geddon (2 fitting modules require, 2-slot disadvantage to a Pest and Mega), how is it a "false result"? At this point you're just trolling.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.27 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Hyde113 In essence every type of gun has a long range and short range. Lasers : PULSE BEAM Projectiles : AUTOS ARTY Hybrids : BLASTER RAILS
Inside the gun categroy there is s, m , l so with lasers small pulses have 3 variants while beams have 2 variants. Hybrids have 3 types of small rails and 3 types of blasters. Projectiles have 2 types of arty and 3 types of autos. SO.... are 125mm rails oversized?
Mediums : Arty x 2 Autos x3 Blasters x3 Rails x3 Beams x3 Pulse x2 so are heavy neutron blasters and 425mm autos oversized or are heavy pulses needing a third tier. Also are Heavy beams and 250mm rails oversized or is there a missing tier 3 arty.
Large: Rails x3 Blasters x3 Beams x3 Pulses x3 Autos x3 Arty x2 so is there a missing tier 3 arty. Clearly ther tachyon is NOT oversized yet has more fitting requirements that are not fair. Rohk Hyperion Mega Tempest and Maelstrom can fit the highest tier of their long range gun without any fitting mods while Geddon, Apoc and Abaddon can not fit their highest tier weapn without at least 2 pg mods and can not fire the weapons with out a cap booster. This is how well the philosophy of High pg cap and armor works out.
This post makes less than no sense
In the medium sized and large size beam lasers there are three, for small, two.
but in the medium sized beam weapons, the quad light beam is a smaller[and less effective with less range] focused medium pulse. And for rails, the small weapons are more equivelent to pulse lasers than rails[medium optimal with decent damage and low tracking]
The weapons are different, but that doesnt stop Tachyons from being "oversized".
They have more range than the top teir weapons of each size has in relation to other weapons, they have more damage than the top teir weapons of each size has in relation to other weapons and they use more capacitor, powergird, and CPu than the top teir weapons of each size has in relation to other weapons.
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Toshiro Khan
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.27 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lowanaera
Originally by: Toshiro Khan
Sorry, but not matter how much you try and justify your reasons you are WRONG.. you want to compair teir 1 battlkeships then do so.. but don't compair teir 1 and teir 2's.. as thats just creating false results.
If you get the exact same results with an Apoc as with a Geddon (2 fitting modules require, 2-slot disadvantage to a Pest and Mega), how is it a "false result"? At this point you're just trolling.
How am I trolling, when all that I'm doing is pointing out the falws in your argument? You want to use teir 1 ships then use tier 1 ships.. if not don't bother trying to formulate an argument thats flawed from the start.
Now until then stop trying to justify argument, with false information.. As we all know that is more like flamebait then anything else.
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Toshiro Khan
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.27 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Toshiro Khan
And at the end of the day.. you just can't get past the FACT, you are trying to put the a TIER 1 Battleship in with a TIER 2 group..
Sorry, but not matter how much you try and justify your reasons you are WRONG.. you want to compair teir 1 battlkeships then do so.. but don't compair teir 1 and teir 2's.. as thats just creating false results.
As for your weak argument about the domi not being designed for turret damage.. I guess you wasn't about when the domi had turret bonuses. I guess you wasn't about when the raven was a railgun ship. As i said if you want to compaire ships then do it by teirs or just don't do it at all otherwise you will always come out with fale results.
Or, we could just compare ships based on what they are best for.
Apocs dont make as good a fleet sniper as an Amrageddon does, when comparing fleet snipers, its best to compare the best one.
However, in the runing for Tachs, the tachs do not fit well on a geddon due to slot issues when attempting to get as much range as possible
Or you could understand that compairing Teir 1 battleships to teir 2 is wrong as it give false results.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.27 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
Or you could understand that compairing Teir 1 battleships to teir 2 is wrong as it give false results.
1. It doesnt give "false results".
2. You havent shown how it might ever give "false results"
3. We dont even know what "false results" are.
E.G. Lets say someone wanted to compare laser using battleships. So they examine the Abaddon, Geddon, and Apoc.
But wait! these are all different teirs! Which is true, but the teir doenst have anything to do with how good it does its job.
the teir doesnt affect any stats on the ship, it doesnt do anything.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.27 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 27/01/2007 03:00:57
Originally by: MrDisposable
Originally by: Royaldo o m g
how many times does this need to be said??? tomb even said it ^^remember him???
tachyon are a size of their own. mega beams should be compared to 425 and 1400...
Proof?? I seem to recall recently that Tuxford said Tachyons are not over sized and balanced (albiet poorly) as such.
TomB had Tuxford's job quite a while ago. When I joined the game three years ago, Tachyons were indeed oversized guns. Things were quite different back then - men were men, jammers really jammed people, drone ships sucked a lot, and nosferatus didn't even work at all. And more importantly, there was no tech 2 weapons or ships or conquerable stations, outposts, dreadnaughts, POSes...
Anyways, I digress. Tachyons are not good enough to be an oversized gun with current stats. There are two options - make them worth fitting, or "nerf" them down to the 425mm railgun/1400mm artillery level. I'm for the latter, but I don't fly amarr... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Toshiro Khan
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.27 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Toshiro Khan
Or you could understand that compairing Teir 1 battleships to teir 2 is wrong as it give false results.
1. It doesnt give "false results".
2. You havent shown how it might ever give "false results"
3. We dont even know what "false results" are.
E.G. Lets say someone wanted to compare laser using battleships. So they examine the Abaddon, Geddon, and Apoc.
But wait! these are all different teirs! Which is true, but the teir doenst have anything to do with how good it does its job.
the teir doesnt affect any stats on the ship, it doesnt do anything.
How hard is it for you to understand that to compair a teir 1 battleship to a teir 2 is wrong.
As for your points.. If you fail to understand the differences between teir 1 and tier 2 then whats the point of trying to explaine something so basic?
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Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.27 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
How hard is it for you to understand that to compair a teir 1 battleship to a teir 2 is wrong.
Why?
All you've done for post after post after post is say "it's wrong" "the results are false". Over and over. Without EVER providing any kind of reasoning or evidence.
People respond with hard numbers? "It's wrong" No reason given.
People respond with analogies and logic? "It's wrong" No reason given.
You can keep repeating that all day, but it doesn't make it any more true.
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Toshiro Khan
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.27 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lowanaera Edited by: Lowanaera on 27/01/2007 03:36:10
Originally by: Toshiro Khan
How hard is it for you to understand that to compair a teir 1 battleship to a teir 2 is wrong.
Why?
All you've done for post after post after post is say "it's wrong" "the results are false". Over and over. Without EVER providing any kind of reasoning or evidence.
People respond with hard numbers? "It's wrong" No reason given.
People respond with analogies and logic? "It's wrong" No reason given.
You can keep repeating that all day, but it doesn't make it any more true. Either provide an actual argument or stop trolling already.
Then why are you not putting the domi and the phoon in the mix?
As for your trolling comments you do understand that I'm not trolling, that i'm pointing out the basic flaw in your pointless argument.. and that by calling me a troll, is in itself flamebait.. now if you can't understand that your argument is wrong thats your fault.
Also you have failed to spot the various posts that quite clearly point out.. that you should be compairing beams to 425mm rails and 1400mm arts that are backed with v factual points.. But I guess you will witter on about thats not the case.. their trolling as well and you are right (when the fact is your NOT)
I've had my say on the matter, and at the end of the day... you fail to understand tiny little flaw in your argument and I guess you will remain in the dark crying how done by you are.
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DrEiak
Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.27 04:30:00 -
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I posted about this a long time ago, and included detailed math , although i included ALL BS sized turrets with and without skills and in spacific examples. In the end yes autocannons are disgustingly overpowered due to how little powergrid they use, I dont mind the fact that they are by far the highest DPS margin weapon in the end, but really, considering they shoot cap free, I think their PG fitting should be a bit higher. I guess that is why so many amarr pilots use them on ships like the maller though, fitting medium autocannons is almost as easy as fitting frigate weapons, only they do more dmg (better dmg types) and on top of that, use no cap so tank is better.
ANYWAYS nobody likes math, they will flame you and call you wrong no matter how much fact you use, where there are facts there are flames :(
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.27 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
[snip yadayadayada]
the day... you fail to understand tiny little flaw in your argument and I guess you will remain in the dark crying how done by you are.
Ok, lets say we compare the apocalypse, tempest and megathron then (despite the fact that both the tempest and megathron are clearly fleet warfare vessels while the apoc is more of a Mission-runner similar to the Dominix and 'phoon in this regard). The tachyon STILL has too heavy PG and CPU requirements in comparison to how effective it actually is (not to mention too heavy cap requirements).
Counter-argument shot out of the water.
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DrEiak
Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.27 04:51:00 -
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Some of the math (such as hitpoints) is pre revelations, but the % differences should be the same, just different base values. SOME info (since it is pre kali) might be out of date, but I doubt there is anything that completly invalidates the implications of the math :)
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Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.27 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
As for your trolling comments you do understand that I'm not trolling, that i'm pointing out the basic flaw in your pointless argument..
No you aren't. If you were, you'd be making an argument of your own. Supported by some sort of reasoning or evidence. Instead of "I know something you don't know" flippancy to veil the fact that you have no argument. That's trolling, pure and simple.
Quote: that you should be compairing beams to 425mm rails and 1400mm arts that are backed with v factual points..
Hmm *looks back at post after post of math and direct comparisons based on facts*. You're right, I've made no factual comparison at all .
Quote: I've had my say on the matter, and at the end of the day... you fail to understand tiny little flaw in your argument and I guess you will remain in the dark crying how done by you are.
Arrogance and egotism, acting like you're superior because you know some elite knowledge that you deign not to share with us mere mortals. That attitude perfectly excuses lacking any kind of actual argument. Again, obvious trolling.
It's been stated numerous times that when comparing *only* Tier 2 battleships, the numbers do not change at all from comparing the Geddon (a mere Tier 1 ship) to the Pest and Mega. The Apoc has the exact same lack of PG, the exact same lack of slots, only it's even *worse* off than the Geddon because it has no damage mod. How can that be stated any clearer? How can you claim that's not "arguing on factual points" with any kind of intellectual honesty? You can't, but you don't care about that, you care about acting snooty in lieu of actual debating something with a rational argument.
The reason the Domi and Phoon are not included is because they are not turret fleet sniper battleships. Neither has the number of turrets necessary to qualify for that role with their ship bonuses, their damage output is not even comparable to the Tempest, Megathron, Hyperion, Maelstrom, Rokh, Geddon, Apoc, or Abaddon. Including them is as reasonable as including the Raven in such a discussion, they are wholly not suited for that role. By contrast, the Geddon has no more severe downsides than the Apoc and Abaddon, while actually putting out *more* DPS. Therefore, it is just as deserving as consideration in any sniper fleet discussion as any of those other battleships.
That right there? That paragraph? That's a reasoned argument backed up by facts. Not a troll based off mystical magical knowledge that only you know and consists wholly of repeating "you're wrong" over and over. If you think countering facts with "you're wrong, you're wrong, lalalala I can't hear you" is anything but trolling, you're sadly mistaken.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2007.01.27 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
Originally by: Lowanaera Edited by: Lowanaera on 27/01/2007 03:36:10
Originally by: Toshiro Khan
How hard is it for you to understand that to compair a teir 1 battleship to a teir 2 is wrong.
Why?
All you've done for post after post after post is say "it's wrong" "the results are false". Over and over. Without EVER providing any kind of reasoning or evidence.
People respond with hard numbers? "It's wrong" No reason given.
People respond with analogies and logic? "It's wrong" No reason given.
You can keep repeating that all day, but it doesn't make it any more true. Either provide an actual argument or stop trolling already.
Then why are you not putting the domi and the phoon in the mix?
As for your trolling comments you do understand that I'm not trolling, that i'm pointing out the basic flaw in your pointless argument.. and that by calling me a troll, is in itself flamebait.. now if you can't understand that your argument is wrong thats your fault.
Also you have failed to spot the various posts that quite clearly point out.. that you should be compairing beams to 425mm rails and 1400mm arts that are backed with v factual points.. But I guess you will witter on about thats not the case.. their trolling as well and you are right (when the fact is your NOT)
I've had my say on the matter, and at the end of the day... you fail to understand tiny little flaw in your argument and I guess you will remain in the dark crying how done by you are.
Since when did tier mean anything
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.27 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
And when you put into account ship bonuses? 425mm T2: 20.7 DPS on megathron Tachyon T2: 20.7 DPS on apoc, 27.6 DPS on arma, 25.9 DPS on Abaddon 1400mm T2: 20.5 DPS on tempest.
Overall things would be nicely balanced if the PG requirment of Tachyons was reduced by 300-400.
This is the best piont so far. If by oversized we mean they are a catagory higher than other races get, which is what tachyon's were supposed to be, they are only oversized on their fittings, they are pretty much the same as far as their damage output / tracking / range.
-Bart
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