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NIkis
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.20 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: NIkis on 20/03/2007 01:10:05 Edited by: NIkis on 20/03/2007 01:09:28
Originally by: Times Drift
4 T2 BCU 1 damage control
2 loading bay accelarators
I don't have maxed skills but i am getting a rof of 4.74
You know of course the loading bay accelerators are stacking nerfed with BCU IIs (think the devs were drunk when they made those btw because only tech 2 is decent but far from solid)? i'm sure you can find something more useful in rigs if you fit 4 BCU IIs. Otherwise the setup looks solid
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Idara
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.20 01:13:00 -
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6x HML II, 1x Tractor Beam 1x LSB II, 3x Harderners and a SBA, or 3x Hardeners and a LSE II (I can't even use T2 shield hardeners ) 3x BCU II, 2x PDU II
5x Hobgoblin IIs
Rigs: 1x Shield booster cap usage reduction and a passive 30% EM rig, because I have a lot of missions with Sansha it it.
Easy peasy. ---
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Lunanie
The Devil's Rejects
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lunanie on 24/04/2007 09:58:07 The best mission setup for this ship is just full dmg !! Because of the insane resistances u get with 4 hardeners you can keep the shields at 100% with the medium shield booster. (For guristas I use 3x Kin, 1x heat, Serpentis, 2x heat 2x kin, Sansha, 3x EM, 1x heat, etc)
It can tank most lvl4's with full aggro and wtfpwn every NPC in no time because of the 4.7 sec Rof (without any rigs)
6x Heavy Missile Launcher 4x Rat specific active hardeners, 1x Med Shield Booster (or maybe go faction) 1 PDU, 4x BCU 5x drones of choice
All t2 ofc !!
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Lagkills
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.12 09:19:00 -
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Hi: 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II
Med: 3x Large Shield Extender II 1x Rat spec hardener... 1x Invul II
Low: 3x SPR II 2x PDS II
Rigs: Core Defence Field Purger
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Hephaesteus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.12 09:39:00 -
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6 heavy missile launchers T2
1x gist x-type lsb 4x T2 active hardeners
3 bcs T2 2 pdu T2
Throw in some drones, but they not needed tbh. Warp in tank everything kill rats warp out, done.
The tank on a NH is just mental and easily capable of soloing lvl4's
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.12 09:55:00 -
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I just got my NH. Still got to train Comm. Ships a bit but I happened to get Massive Attack so gave it a whirl (not like I was at much risk, lol).
6 T2 Heavy Missile Launchers 2 T2 Large Shield Extenders 1 T2 Shield Recharger 1 T2 Invul Field 1 T2 Photon Field 2 BCU 3 SPR
2 T1 Purger
At one point I think the shields dropped to 94% :)
Gonna be a fun ship when I've got Comm. Ship to 4 -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.12 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 12/05/2007 10:02:04 My setup is similar to OP's.
6 T2 heavy missile launchers (T1 scourge), 1 T Beam
1 10mn Ab T2 2 large shield extender T2 1 Invul T2 1 Active em T2
3 ballistic control T2 1 shield power relay T2 1 PDS T2
2 x Core Defence Field Extender Rigs
5 x Hobgoblin 2's
Swap out the EM hardener for a rat specific hardener as you see fit. Shields are approx 17,500.
This setup breeze's through every level 4 mission. Not gone under 40% shields. You really don't need a shield booster! passive tank all the way!
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2007.05.29 02:57:00 -
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Im about to use a NH in a couple weeks and was wondering, of all the fittings here, I ended up with two setups that more or less accomodate my style, and according to quickfit these are the results and thus I ask, (according to these Calculations) whats better?
12568 Shield HP recharged in 224 secs?
(difference with the one below is: 1 shield rech in mid, 2 LSE II 3 SPR II in lows 2 Purger Rigs )
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17453 Shield HP recharged in 555 secs
(difference with the one above is 1 shield rech in mid , 2 LSE II 1 PDU, 1 SPR II in lows 2 Field Ext Rigs )
Rest is standard HML II-Varied Resists
So overall , in the end whats better according to you more experienced players?
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Klavayne
Pack Of Shadows
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Brujo Loco Edited by: Brujo Loco on 31/05/2007 18:21:57 Im about to use a NH in a couple weeks and was wondering, of all the fittings here, I ended up with two setups that more or less accomodate my style, and according to quickfit these are the results and thus I ask, (according to these Calculations) whats better?
12568 Shield HP recharged in 224 secs?
(difference with the one below is: 1 shield rech in mid, 2 LSE II 3 SPR II in lows 2 Purger Rigs )
OR
17453 Shield HP recharged in 555 secs
(difference with the one above is 1 shield rech in mid , 2 LSE II 1 PDU, 1 SPR II in lows 2 Field Ext Rigs )
Rest is standard HML II-Varied Resists
So overall , in the end whats better according to you more experienced players?
edit: Using the formula given for passive tanking, [Shield HP/Shield Regen * 2.5 = Peak Regen between 30% to 50%- shield] seems the first setup has a higher hp regen , whereas the second is just more Buffage hps but at almost half the regen. So ideally I should be sticking to the first setup. Just wondering if any actual NH users care to reply on these numbers? :)
Use the one with the highest regen. The buffer won't help you much in PVE where you are recieving damage over a long time.
To be honest, the top setup looks like overkill. Swap the shield recharger for another hardener, it will help you more in missions with more than two damage types. And you could get away with one less SPR in the lows too, swapping it in if needed for harder missions.
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Aramis Rosicrux
Gallente Xoth Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.04 22:45:00 -
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OK, I have been doing trial and error and this is about my favorite (from memory, I am at work now):
High Slot: 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x 'spare' (Small Nosferatu, Drone Range Extender, Small Remote Armor Repair, Small Smartbomb, Transport Beam or maybe a Salvager) or you can totally waste the space with a Auto Targeter.
Med: 2x Large Shield Extender II 3x Shield Recharger II
Low: 2x Shield Power Relay II 3x Ballistic Control System
Rigs: 2x Core Defense Field Purger
Drones: 5x Small Combat T-II select for mission, usually Hobgoblins
Now this uses no cap at all. No hardeners, no boosters, no damage controls. You could NOS me all day and I can still fire missiles.
I can't calculate how much damage it can take, but lets just say that with a set of LG Crystal implants, I have not seen it fall below half shields. Ever.
Now, in a Fleet battle I would probably be toasted by the sheer volume of damage, but this ship rocks for Missions, I can even do level fours alone (and we all know how stupid that can be!)
I think the Nighthawk is the best ship I have ever flown, its the only benefit of several millions of skill points I wasted training up all those leadership skills!
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Humility is the hallmark of honorable character. Aramis Rosicrux
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TROY STUBBER
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Posted - 2007.06.05 02:10:00 -
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6 DG heavies 1 DB nos
Domi ab med pithum a sb Pith x sba thon's invul pith x miss specific
2 vepas' 1 thon's bcu's, brynn's pdu dcu II
can permarun sb with ab cap at 60% can do ae4 with bonus and whole ts/angel wc in just over an hour.
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Missuri
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:28:00 -
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Hmm I was curious. If you use "Purger Rigs" they will increase your signature. But if it increases your ship's Sig Size it will also make it easier to hit. Battleship, and Battlecruiser will hit harder. But then the tanking is more difficult.
Am I right?
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Singularity XX
Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.11 01:13:00 -
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6x Heavy Missile Launcher II Medium Nosferatu II
Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Cap Recharger II Gist X-Type Photon Scattering Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
3xBallistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \
6054 shield, 16.54/s, E/T/K/Ex=82/87/84/83 Of course the faction fit is doable with t2 it won't tank as much (3.1k dps with a crystal set) But you get the overall idea.
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Captain Powers
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Posted - 2007.06.11 15:49:00 -
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Humm, previous post must have unlimited funds. I looked at that setup and challenged myself to find a setup that could tank just as well or better and be cheaper. Now I can say I could cut the cost in half and show how someone can do it cheaper.
High 6 heavy missile launcher II auto targeting system II
Mid 2 Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Gist X-type Photon Scattering Field Shield Recharger II ( had to due to lack of cpu for another extender )
Low 3 Shield Power Relay II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II
2 Core Defence Field Purger I
Does 140 hp per second ( higher shield regen then yours above ) and same resists. Lacks about 10% the fire power of yours but the lower cost allows me to step in one sooner plus higher shield regen. Still pricey thou.
I tend to like Lunanie fit since it uses the strength of the ship with one faction booster to do insane shielding with insane dps. Myself, I would take out one BCU and put in a DCU II, but that is me since the structure would give me that extra safety net to allow a warp out if needed. Again, I like a backup plan in case the scrap metal hits the fan.
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Klavayne
Pack Of Shadows
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Posted - 2007.06.11 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aramis Rosicrux OK, I have been doing trial and error and this is about my favorite (from memory, I am at work now):
High Slot: 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x 'spare' (Small Nosferatu, Drone Range Extender, Small Remote Armor Repair, Small Smartbomb, Transport Beam or maybe a Salvager) or you can totally waste the space with a Auto Targeter.
Med: 2x Large Shield Extender II 3x Shield Recharger II
Low: 2x Shield Power Relay II 3x Ballistic Control System
Rigs: 2x Core Defense Field Purger
Drones: 5x Small Combat T-II select for mission, usually Hobgoblins
Now this uses no cap at all. No hardeners, no boosters, no damage controls. You could NOS me all day and I can still fire missiles.
I can't calculate how much damage it can take, but lets just say that with a set of LG Crystal implants, I have not seen it fall below half shields. Ever.
Erm, you have no module on there which is affected by crystal implants.
Any EM damage will also just cut through you like a hot knife through butter. Look at other peoples setups, hardeners>shield rechargers.
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K'thang
Gallente Ferengi Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.11 16:44:00 -
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High: 6x Heavy Missile Launchers IIs 1x Tractor Beam
Med: 3x Hardener of choice, passive or active (T2 or better ofc) 2x Large Shield Extender IIs
Low: 3x Shield Power Relay IIs 2x Ballistic Control Unit IIs
Rigs: 2x Purgers
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Singularity XX
Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.12 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Singularity XX on 12/06/2007 04:35:39
Originally by: Captain Powers Humm, previous post must have unlimited funds. *Yada yada* Does 140 hp per second ( higher shield regen then yours above ) and same resists.
184 HP/s from the shield booster.
I'll be the first one to recognize that setup is INSANELY expensive. But I saw all those expensive mods and I thought: "Hmm how well can this puppy tank". 3.1k dps on EM is pretty damn good if u ask me :) that's enough to afk in lvl 4s. Or just be a noob like me and alt tab and manage to agro the whole spawn.
Besides it's an example setup. Without the crystal set it would reduce the price to that of a CNR with respectable gear. I've seen CNRs setup with nice 1.5bil boosters + faction/officer BCUs or hardeners. So this isn't all that bad :) --- Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". It's a templar, an amarr fighter used by shuttles. Tho I hear they don't tank very well. |
Captain Powers
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Posted - 2007.06.12 19:10:00 -
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Wow, my structure is on fire. I totally missed the SBA in the layout. I have to award the tanking beast trophy to Singularity. Funny thing is, with some officer's modules, it could tank more. Cost is still under a CNR setup and the CNR can't touch the tanking this one for general afk tanking.
With the BC passive tanking nerf coming soon, I'm going to have to look at this for a highend setup. Cost is lower then X-Large versions of the modules found on a Raven/CNR setup. I like it
So far, Lunanie and Singularity have a nice approach to addressing a lvl 4 mission ship that just rocks.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.06.12 19:21:00 -
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HI: 6x T2 heavy launchers MID: 1x 10MN T2 AB, 1x T2 LSB, 1x T2 invulni, 2 racial specific T2 hardners LO: 1x best named DCU, 1x T2 PDU, 3x T2 BCU
rigs: i opted for a cap charger and a capsize rig
There are prolly other setups that work but i can run WC L4, ALL rooms without breaking a sweat.
(only time i ever broke a sweat is when i got the 'surprise surprise' mission and it didn't log what rats i would be facing... Nossieing NPC BS 4TL hahaha, barely made it out on fire and in structure Was a nice adrenaline rush though)
In fairness i am contemplating on upgrading some of this to some nifty faction stuff perhaps, but thats more cuz i like buying expensive new toys and seem to have a masochistic enjoyment in beeing always broke CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Captain Powers
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:02:00 -
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184 hp/sec produces
EM=82% or 1022 max EM tank Expl=83% or 1082 max Expl tank Kin=84% or 1150 max Kin tank Therm=87% or 1415 max Therm tank
Ok, a crystal implant set is going to give you a 3 fold improvement in shield boost to obtain a 3.1k EM tank? Wow, now I know what I need to sign up ( sort of doubt it ).
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:10:00 -
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I use 6 heavy 2's 1 drone navigation unit 2 LSE 2's 2 invuln 2's 1 em 2 1 PDU 2 2 SPR 2's 2BCU 2's
rigs 1 shield extender, 1 shield recharge(prob need to swap these to either two extenders or two recharge but for time being they hold just fine
has a damn fine tank and good dmg output
Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lunanie Edited by: Lunanie on 24/04/2007 09:58:07 The best mission setup for this ship is just full dmg !! Because of the insane resistances u get with 4 hardeners you can keep the shields at 100% with the medium shield booster. (For guristas I use 3x Kin, 1x heat, Serpentis, 2x heat 2x kin, Sansha, 3x EM, 1x heat, etc)
It can tank most lvl4's with full aggro and wtfpwn every NPC in no time because of the 4.7 sec Rof (without any rigs)
6x Heavy Missile Launcher 4x Rat specific active hardeners, 1x Med Shield Booster (or maybe go faction) 1 PDU, 4x BCU 5x drones of choice
All t2 ofc !!
seems like an interesting strategy, may have to give this a try with a deadspace large or maybe deadspace medium booster
Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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MaidMarion
FarCry Inc Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 22:10:00 -
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Never put t1 fittings on a command ship .. its just wrong.
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Singularity XX
Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.12 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Powers 184 hp/sec produces
EM=82% or 1022 max EM tank Expl=83% or 1082 max Expl tank Kin=84% or 1150 max Kin tank Therm=87% or 1415 max Therm tank
Ok, a crystal implant set is going to give you a 3 fold improvement in shield boost to obtain a 3.1k EM tank? Wow, now I know what I need to sign up ( sort of doubt it ).
Oh oops it seems like I messed up a number somewhere... Haha it looks like I messed up with the booster... forgot to divide by 3.2. Eh math accidents happen --- Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". It's a templar, an amarr fighter used by shuttles. Tho I hear they don't tank very well. |
Ral Ulgur
Helion Production Labs
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Posted - 2007.06.12 22:44:00 -
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I admit my setup is a bit overkill, but since I most likely won't get to see a titan from the inside, I decided to make my NH my private little epeen.
6x DGHML 1x Small Tractor Beam
3x LSE II 1x DG Invulnerability Field 1x Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field
3x SPR II 2x DG BCU
2x Core Defence Field Purger (to be replaced by t2)
Gives me 16325 shield with 255s recharge time and 81+ resistances across the board. RoF on DGHMLs is 4.9s (w/o implant)
I did an extensive comparison with a friends pimped out CNR. He still gets more DPS and a slightly better perma tank (even without chrystals).
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mr sweet
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Posted - 2007.06.18 14:16:00 -
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lvl4 solo 24/7 tank setup
hi: 6x dg heavy launchers - 1x medium nosf mid: 2 dg invul - 1 phothon scattering field - 2x pithi a-type small shield boosters low: 3x bcu II - 2x true sansha pdu
rig: 1x cap 1x em drones: tech II small
also possible for mid: 2 dg invul - 1 phothon scattering field - 1x pithum a-type medium shield booster with a dg shield boost amp.
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Wiggy69
5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue I just got my NH. Still got to train Comm. Ships a bit but I happened to get Massive Attack so gave it a whirl (not like I was at much risk, lol).
6 T2 Heavy Missile Launchers 2 T2 Large Shield Extenders 1 T2 Shield Recharger 1 T2 Invul Field 1 T2 Photon Field 2 BCU 3 SPR
2 T1 Purger
At one point I think the shields dropped to 94% :)
Gonna be a fun ship when I've got Comm. Ship to 4
This is the same setup I'm going for on my alt. I use a similar setup on my Drake now, I can't wait :) -----
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:31:00 -
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My Peen:
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x Whatever you like
1x Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster 2x Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 1x Gist B-Type Magnetic Scattering Field (Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field) 1x Dread Guristas Magnettic Scattering Amplifier (Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier)
3x Dread Guristas Ballestic Control System 1x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Damage Control II
2x CCC I Rigs
5x Warrior II
With EM Hardener its all around 90%, with Kin Setup its 97% Kin. Tank runs 24/7 and i can tank everything with my 90% setup. Every Mission will be in easy mode, its boring. I Recently made a L5 Mission with it solo, but i had to fit a Cap Injector =) Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit on the forums. -Darth Patches |
Gunner Milia
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Posted - 2007.06.25 21:11:00 -
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Love this setup Naomi , Great Kit , A bit on the expensive side but very nicely put together !.
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JenDen
Caldari LFS Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.25 23:14:00 -
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I'm really looking to maximise the dps, so I want to go for 4xBCUs. Will there be enough cap to run Gist X-Type LSB, 2xDG Invuls + 1xDG Hardener with only 1 PDS t2 and 2xCCC rigs?
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