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Sofia Bondarchuk
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.23 07:27:35 -
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Why do almost everyone who buy t2 bpos want to sell it for ridicules prices. like, if someone sell if for an 3-10 years profit (witch is normal) then someone comes along buying it. and putting it up for like 25-50 years to earn the isk back. if not more. I guess I get a little bit salty when an person do decide to sell t2 blue print originals to you, and then 1-2 hours later you see it up on contract for an ridicules amount more, its an **** move in my eyes. but meh. I wont ever sell anyone an t2 bpo unless I know they are going to use it. |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.01.23 07:31:02 -
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Sofia Bondarchuk wrote:Why do almost everyone who buy t2 bpos want to sell it for ridicules prices. like, if someone sell if for an 3-10 years profit (witch is normal) then someone comes along buying it. and putting it up for like 25-50 years to earn the isk back. if not more. I guess I get a little bit salty when an person do decide to sell t2 blue print originals to you, and then 1-2 hours later you see it up on contract for an ridicules amount more, its an **** move in my eyes. but meh. I wont ever sell anyone an t2 bpo unless I know they are going to use it.
Firstly, because this is Eve. Secondly, people sell them overpriced because they aren't worth it to produce. When you have to produce something 24/7 for as long as the game's been around for in order to break even, then it's not a good investment. Therefore the only way to make a profit from it is to sell it for more than you bought it for. |
Luthor Ikkala
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.23 07:49:15 -
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I disagree on op. You don't have to break even on producing the stuff with that bpo. Just produce so much you want if u make profit on them stuff you produce and after a while just sell it with the same price you bought it for. There's your profit you don't have to get profit from everything you sell In this game. |
Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2016.01.23 07:51:56 -
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There are tons of people involved in arbitrage in Eve. This is what station traders do all day.
T2 BPOs often work on the 'bigger idiot theory' where they get flipped again and again until the biggest idiot owns them with no one else to flip to.
I see a couple ways to value T2 bpos: one is from a production standpoint and the other from a collector standpoint. Ship BPOs in particular are terrible from a production standpoint much of the time, yet sell for more than most of the non-ship bpos. They must hold a lot of value to collectors, because they certainly don't have much production value for many of them.
Pricing is all over the place. I don't think anyone is really pricing them based on 3/5/10 years ROI. Some prints will break even in 1 year. Others will never break even because the units sell for less than they cost to produce.
By comparison people are paying 90-120b for AT ships that they will never undock.
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lanyaie
Dead Rune Holder
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Posted - 2016.01.23 12:14:14 -
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It's called open market. If I go list all my items at 5billion while they're worth 4billion. Odds are someone will undercut me because my items are not in limited supply. Now assume you have one of the few T2 BPOs - if you can choose between selling it for more and selling it for less, you obviously pick the highest amount. It's not a "****" move, it's called making money. You are free to obtain a BPO for less and list it for lower.
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Kaivar Lancer
Pegeler Investment Fund
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Posted - 2016.01.23 13:34:42 -
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I agree, it's unfair. I recommend the OP buy these outrageously-priced BPOs, and relist them 50% cheaper so the market crashes. It'll teach those BPO speculators a lesson! |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2016.01.23 13:50:44 -
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Edwin Rothbard wrote:
By comparison people are paying 90-120b for AT ships that they will never undock.
Bull |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2016.01.23 17:08:50 -
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Resellers of T2 BPOs take a considerable risk when trying to flip them, cause there is a limit to how many vanity buyers are out there. T2 BPOs have no profitability, so OPs argument that it should be their motivation is highly flaved.
The ROI is in the several years range, so at best its a "secure" position with a small percentage interest monthly.
In many ways its similar to PLEX.. You would not demand a buyer of PLEX only use it for himself?
Its also worth noting that T2 BPOs not being used is really good for the pricing of invention, so for my sake let them all be dead on collectors hangar floors, the alternative is they over supply the market ..
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virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
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Posted - 2016.01.23 19:00:18 -
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Why do you care what the buyer does with it if you are happy with the price they paid you for it? Be glad you have offloaded the risk.
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2016.01.23 21:03:39 -
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If you watch them long enough you will realize that their prices have been consistently going down for the past two years. The isk one makes from them is simply not worth the price currently being paid. They are however getting closer and closer to being worth their true value. I wouldn't worry too much as they will consistently be fed back into contracts at lower and lower prices. |
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Darkstar01
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.23 22:12:07 -
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Edwin Rothbard wrote:
By comparison people are paying 90-120b for AT ships that they will never undock.
I personally think AT ships are way overpriced. The asking prices are all 120 - 150 Bil, but it takes like 2 months to sell each ship (or longer). Look at the WTS threads for AT ships these days, there's not much interest.
I've seen AT ships on public contracts at 120 Bil, but they almost never sell. Now this is just an example:
Big Lynx and Zahara Cody tried to sell some of their AT ships by listing them on public contracts in jita, at the so called "120 bil market price" - but if you look at their contract history, none of them has ever sold. The demand is just not there at those prices.
Since there are such a few number people holding the AT ships, the ship holders are demanding 120 Billion. But it looks like the "greater fools" willing to pay 120 Bil per ship are running out, and once they run out, the ships will never get sold at 120 Bil.
We also have to take into consideration that a few dozen AT ships get released every year, and all of them get labeled with the artificial "120 bil" price tag by the few holders, no matter what kind of ship class it is, or what kind of stats they have. As long as it's AT ship, it gets the artificial 120 bil price tag.
But we need to look, how many people actually want to buy these things at 120 bil. Judging from the contract history of the people who try to sell them on Public Contracts, and also the empty responses on WTS forums - not much.
Also as Edwin Rothbard pointed out, most people just station spin with them, and they last only a few seconds longer than a Tech 1 ship, when you run into a blob. |
Sofia Bondarchuk
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.24 10:26:37 -
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If your lucky enough to get an private seller to sell you an bunch off t2 bpos for an good price, and that person who bought it is now trying to get 100-150 percent more. would you not feel if you sold that t2 bpos that it would be an **** move? like, listing it 1 hour later for .. more. |
Darkstar01
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.24 16:26:15 -
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Sofia Bondarchuk wrote:If your lucky enough to get an private seller to sell you an bunch off t2 bpos for an good price, and that person who bought it is now trying to get 100-150 percent more. would you not feel if you sold that t2 bpos that it would be an **** move? like, listing it 1 hour later for .. more.
Nope it would not be an ass move, there was someone willing to pay (the "greater fool"). If you think the price is too high, then just don't buy it. |
virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
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Posted - 2016.01.25 11:36:51 -
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Sofia Bondarchuk wrote:If your lucky enough to get an private seller to sell you an bunch off t2 bpos for an good price, and that person who bought it is now trying to get 100-150 percent more. would you not feel if you sold that t2 bpos that it would be an **** move? like, listing it 1 hour later for .. more.
Sofia I don't see what the problem is. Are you unhappy the buyer might get more than you for the BPOs? You sold for a price you were happy with. The only circumstance where I could see that you would have a legitimate grounds for gripe is if you sold deliberately cheap to help a friend or corpie out having agreed what they would do with them, and they just turn around and sell it instead.
Otherwise you just unloaded a very risky item for ISK and no longer have to worry about the risk. Good job. The current seller now has a lot more risk on their plate, and just because they are asking for a high price does not mean they are going to get that high price.
I don't get why you feel you have rights after you have sold something. Was there any agreement between you that covered the use of the items after the sale? Buy and sell for more is quite a frequent part of Eve game play. If you have a moral objection to that you better stay away from the all trade hubs...... |
Sofia Bondarchuk
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.25 14:43:41 -
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I don't mean to say that I (or an seller) have rights after it's sold. I just need to remind myself that this is eve. heh, :) and this is just how it rolls :) |
Phoenix Pryde
3-I Area 42
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Posted - 2016.01.25 18:20:39 -
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Ah, but you forget that some of the 'greater fools' simply have enough ISK lying around that buying 'yet another' expensive BPO or rare ship is just the next best thing to do for them. Instead of, well, simply having oodles of unused ISK.
Yes, yes, yes ... there are always better ways to -invest- ISK, even if its a lot. But not everybody plays the investment game. And usually anybody with enough ISK for that expensive stuff already has some way to generate ISK that is to his liking (which in the end is all that matters). Not necessarily the 'best' or most 'effective' but some ... And on occasion that's even reselling or T2 production ;P |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
728
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Posted - 2016.01.26 05:56:30 -
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wts T2 BPO's. Mail if interested. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2016.01.26 16:38:07 -
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Virm and others have pretty much said it all. If people are willing to pay those prices then let them, or better yet sell to them :).
Sofia Bondarchuk wrote:I don't mean to say that I (or an seller) have rights after it's sold. I just need to remind myself that this is eve. heh, :) and this is just how it rolls :)
Is this any different than the trillions of ISK of items are sold to buy orders and then listed on sell orders for a markup?
WTS ME 10 TE 20 BPOs & BPO Packs
WTS Collectible Large Rigged Small/Medium Ships
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Phyxre
Slate Manufacturing
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:56:32 -
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Market people do not correctly value the ability to crank out items for your alliance without fighting with invention. If you need to make a new doctrine ship at max capacity then a t2 BPO is by far the easiest way to do it. People will pay billions to make their life simpler. |
Darkstar01
Republic University Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2016.01.27 20:19:55 -
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Phyxre wrote:Market people do not correctly value the ability to crank out items for your alliance without fighting with invention. If you need to make a new doctrine ship at max capacity then a t2 BPO is by far the easiest way to do it. People will pay billions to make their life simpler.
But you also need to consider the building speed. It's much faster to just buy tech 2 BPC's, and you can build multiple hulls at the same time.
With a BPO, you have to churn them out one at a time. |
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