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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Starkmanir Unification
1627
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Posted - 2016.01.29 19:39:22 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Fun fact, Kimmy: Order is the highest form of Chaos. I want citations dammit! Who are your sources? -Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS.
My word is law.... kinda....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
699
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Posted - 2016.01.30 15:44:05 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Rinai Vero wrote: Tragically, many Gallente lives were sacrificed in the vain defense of Caldari freedom.
Tragically many Gallente llives were sacrificed in the vain assault on Caldari freedom. It's ironic in the extreme that a society that supposedly lauds personal liberty does not include any room for collective freedoms.
Keep in mind my earlier statement was deliberately inflammatory as every one of these topics have been.
That said, there was a kernel of truth in what I said about a Gallente perspective on our first war with the Caldari. Many of my people saw that conflict as one for the collective freedom of the Caldari people, to prevent them from being subjugated by anti-democratic megacorporations bent on operating without any government oversight. I'm not denying that the Caldari colonies were a threat to Federation hegemony. We both know that mattered.
What also mattered, and so often goes unmentioned, is that the people of those colonies were denied what would have been their inalienable democratic rights as Federation Citizens. Not by the Federation, but by the rogue megas, who did everything possible to keep their crimes secret. Secession from the Federal Union meant the same for every Caldari who became subject to the domination of the State.
It would have been one thing had the Caldari people voted to do this, but the Megas never let something as unpredictable and transparent as an election stand in their way. Since they did not, it was easy for many of my Gallente forebears to conclude that the Megas were manipulating events to force a war that would allow them to wedge the Caldari people away from the Federation and a legal system that protected their rights.
So yes, in our minds we fought for your collective freedom, ungrateful primitives though you were. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Starkmanir Unification
1627
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Posted - 2016.01.30 21:54:23 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:
So yes, in our minds we fought for your collective freedom, ungrateful primitives though you were.
Well, that won't ease the tension in this debate....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5900
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Posted - 2016.01.31 02:40:27 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:
So yes, in our minds we fought for your collective freedom, ungrateful primitives though you were.
Well, that won't ease the tension in this debate....
Rinai is part of an organisation that makes money from the continuation of the Status Quo. Not that I can throw stones in that case, my fortune was entirely made in the warzone as well. Still it bears repeating that when you read posts from both of us, you should bear in mind that the end of the war brings the end of our income and judge accordingly.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2434
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Posted - 2016.02.01 17:00:02 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Rinai is part of an organisation that makes money from the continuation of the Status Quo. Not that I can throw stones in that case, my fortune was entirely made in the warzone as well. Still it bears repeating that when you read posts from both of us, you should bear in mind that the end of the war brings the end of our income and judge accordingly.
Does it mean you will try to stop me if I will be about to stop this war once and forever?..
Elmund Egivand wrote: I am also under the opinion that all the families in Mikramurka can use the curries to warm their bellies.
Hedonist scum.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1007
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Posted - 2016.02.02 01:50:47 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: I am also under the opinion that all the families in Mikramurka can use the curries to warm their bellies.
Hedonist scum.
All you ever eat are protein delicacies and rations. Even Brutor Flatbread is less bland than the stuff you eat on a day to day basis.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2447
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Posted - 2016.02.02 13:22:50 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: I am also under the opinion that all the families in Mikramurka can use the curries to warm their bellies.
Hedonist scum. All you ever eat are protein delicacies and rations. Even Brutor Flatbread is less bland than the stuff you eat on a day to day basis. Because im not a hedonist scum! Eat that, federal lapdog!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2016.02.02 13:59:30 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: I am also under the opinion that all the families in Mikramurka can use the curries to warm their bellies.
Hedonist scum. All you ever eat are protein delicacies and rations. Even Brutor Flatbread is less bland than the stuff you eat on a day to day basis. Because im not a hedonist scum! Eat that, federal lapdog!
I will name one other creature that will eat bland food and like it.
Dogs.
You have the tastes of a dog.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Starkmanir Unification
1633
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Posted - 2016.02.02 15:10:45 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: I am also under the opinion that all the families in Mikramurka can use the curries to warm their bellies.
Hedonist scum. All you ever eat are protein delicacies and rations. Even Brutor Flatbread is less bland than the stuff you eat on a day to day basis. Because im not a hedonist scum! Eat that, federal lapdog! I will name one other creature that will eat bland food and like it. Dogs. You have the tastes of a dog. Elmund, what did dogs ever do to deserve that comparison?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2448
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Posted - 2016.02.02 15:15:07 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: I am also under the opinion that all the families in Mikramurka can use the curries to warm their bellies.
Hedonist scum. All you ever eat are protein delicacies and rations. Even Brutor Flatbread is less bland than the stuff you eat on a day to day basis. Because im not a hedonist scum! Eat that, federal lapdog! I will name one other creature that will eat bland food and like it. Dogs. You have the tastes of a dog. At least that wasn't ME who tasted dog food to make such a comparison.
And maybe even if you ate dog food to make such judgement, I still would discard your words as gallente propaganda as well, since I don't remember you actually trying to eat MY food.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1016
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Posted - 2016.02.02 15:27:03 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
At least that wasn't ME who tasted dog food to make such a comparison.
And maybe even if you ate dog food to make such judgement, I still would discard your words as gallente propaganda as well, since I don't remember you actually trying to eat MY food.
Ah, so you are incapable of reading the ingredient labels of dog food, incapable of accessing chemistry databases readily available on Galnet and are unaware of high-sensitivity spectrometers that are available to consumer markets.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2454
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Posted - 2016.02.03 05:11:26 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
At least that wasn't ME who tasted dog food to make such a comparison.
And maybe even if you ate dog food to make such judgement, I still would discard your words as gallente propaganda as well, since I don't remember you actually trying to eat MY food.
Ah, so you are incapable of reading the ingredient labels of dog food, incapable of accessing chemistry databases readily available on Galnet and are unaware of high-sensitivity spectrometers that are available to consumer markets. Or probably you are just an idiot. Stop bothering me with your nonsence, tribal. It's not for someone with your mental abilities to decide what I am capable of and what I am not. Go learn what does pi mean, stabbed coward farmer gallentean pet.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1016
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Posted - 2016.02.03 08:33:21 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
At least that wasn't ME who tasted dog food to make such a comparison.
And maybe even if you ate dog food to make such judgement, I still would discard your words as gallente propaganda as well, since I don't remember you actually trying to eat MY food.
Ah, so you are incapable of reading the ingredient labels of dog food, incapable of accessing chemistry databases readily available on Galnet and are unaware of high-sensitivity spectrometers that are available to consumer markets. Or probably you are just an idiot. Stop bothering me with your nonsence, tribal. It's not for someone with your mental abilities to decide what I am capable of and what I am not. Go learn what does pi mean, stabbed coward farmer gallentean pet.
There we go, using the strawman to avoid having to deal with the knowledge that you don't have to eat Dog Food to have an idea about the flavour.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2454
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Posted - 2016.02.03 09:29:56 -
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Valerie Valate wrote: Would history have turned out differently, had the roles been reversed ?
I haven't actually answered this question and I'd like to answer it now.
No, there wouldn't be war at all should the roles been reversed. And tension between cultures would be minimized. We don't even need to theorize on this subject, as we already have the example: Achura. There is still a distinct Achura culture and independent Achura settlements where they live how they want, independent from the State and Corporations. Of course, doors to the State for them are open, and as we all know quite a lot of Achura are now Caldari. But nobody was forcing it into them, nobody was spamming Caldari culture in their settlements. We have only opened for them opportunities and they took them. And as they did, both their and their employers profits grew.
Caldari culture per se isn't invasive, it is only for those, who wish to live with us and like us.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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