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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:47:09 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:With all due respect, I don't need to be advised what to play by you.
I purposely used the word "RELATIVELY" along with safe. I'm aware of Falcon's post.
I said suicide ganking is fine. Just looking for Logical Realism in rules & game mechanics. You're playing a game where you're an immortal Demi-god that flies a spaceship in a universe whose physics make space appear to be made of liquid, yet you want rules to be realistic and logical?
Quote:Again, you can play as you want to according to the rules. Gankers do exactly that, the difference is that they're far more familiar with the rules than the majority of players.
Quote:I'm pointing out that the rules (and gameplay mechanics) are not logical; not realistic and not in line with CCP's concept of "RISK vs REWARD".
Currently the griefers can bother other players in HIGHSEC without any risk.
It's perfectly in line with CCPs risk/reward concept, the system is intentionally designed to enable other players to provide the majority of the risk. That other players are unwilling to provide that risk for gankers is irrelevant, the tools and mechanics are there for them to do so.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
264
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:48:05 -
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baltec1 wrote: MWDing mach = 13 seconds align time, 8.03 seconds align time with nothing but nanofibers in the lows.
MWDing stabber = 7.67 seconds align time, 4.58 seconds align time with nothing but naofibers in the lows.
Well, dunno about your numbers but my mach fit (4xISTABII, 2xOverdrivesII, DCII + T1/2 500mn MWD, no rigs) has 7 sec align time and 10.6 sec MWD align before skills (EFT 2.33). Add some rigs and implants, it can go lower. 50mn mwd stabber ain't gonna do much in terms of counter bumping, 500mwd t1 cruisers are crap in terms of agility. |
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:51:56 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Oh no!!! You might get a killright that you can have a friend buy off cheaply!!!!!! If the owner of the killright is stupid or lazy enough to make it publicly available for pennies, sure.
Quote:Look, you can either learn how to bump effectively and bump the mach risk free, or you can accept the consequences of ganking the mach. You have the same choices the gankers do, you just refuse to realize this. Do tell me more about counter bumping's effectiveness. Ganking as the best choice for getting out of bumping situation is broken, stupid, call it what you will. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44197
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:54:47 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:In any real, modern society, criminals are not allowed to continue their criminal acts in areas with heavy surveillance & police presence. Random violence can always happen; but it would not be allowed to continue indefinitely. While I have some suspicions about this posting, I'll play along.
New Eden isn't a real, modern society. It's a game and doesn't play by the moral or ethical rules that many of us enjoy in our RL societies (and not all societies in RL are the same. There are some pretty twisted ones, so if reality is the desired outcome, there's some pretty oppressive ones to pick from).
So, as a totally fictional society, with totally unique ethics:
One major Empire has subjected the citizens of another to legal slavery with toxic chemical dependency Dogs are used to keep people working, or they kill them The wealthy can order a new face, and to give it to you, it is cut off someone else so it's unique to your order etc. etc. etc.
and we are a small group of immortal god like beings in comparison to everyone else, who may as well do whatever we want to each other because none of us can ever die.
Fun place, not like any reality in the Milky Way.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2124
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:09:29 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Don't tell me what to do.. You don't own this game. Not the game, but James 315 owns Highsec, so he obviously has the right to tell you what to do.
If you are not ok with our established system and are more "rebel" type who enjoys anarchy and is not "cool" about how we govern modern Highsec feel free to go to nullsec where you can play the game how you want.
The people elected James 315 for a reason and he established the Code for a reason. But what you can't do is eat from the sweat fruits democracy brings you but at the same time not share the values it needs to function. We just don't want people like you in our Highsec, so you better change your ways or move on.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Iain Cariaba
2514
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:37:48 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:I want to play in HIGHSEC and be SAFE. What is wrong with that?
I want to play the game in MY way; not have someone force their game on me.
But people are cleverly exploiting rules and game mechanics to grief other players in HIGHSEC.
If you use BUMPING in an aggressive way in HIGHSEC, you should be tagged as a criminal.
If you are hiding in a NPC corp while coordinating a gank fleet, you should be tagged as a criminal.
Eve takes place in a very technically advanced future universe and we are talking about the most protected areas in that universe GÇô HIGHSEC.
I want an area where I can pursue my peaceful activities in relative peace. What's wrong with that?
I cut out some of the lines that were either straight whine or already covered sufficiently. Good job with that one there, Scipio.
1. Absolutely nothing. I play in highsec and am almost completely safe. Then again, I treat ganker and wardeccers as actual humans, so they're nice enough to tell me how to avoid a vast majority of the dangers in this game. 2. You wanting to play the game your way is fine. However, one of the core tenets of this game is that it is a cold, harsh, cruel world where Darwinism rules. If you want to play the game your way, you have to make others allow you to do so using the established rules. You don't get to simply change the rules simply because you don't like them, they apply equally across the board. 3. Bumping has been officially declared to NOT be an exploit. Unintended use of the mechanics, yes, but not an exploit. There's a lot in EvE based on unintended use of mechanics. 4. There is absolutely no way for the server to determine the intent of a bump, therefore it is impossible for this to be applied. 5. And if someone said that if you're hiding in a NPC corp while slaughtering millions of helpless NPCs or stealing the ore from the belts/anoms in regions controlled by the NPC empires, you should be tagged as a criminal, then that would be fair. You can't apply rules unequally. They either apply to all or they apply to none. 6. EvE takes place in a dystopian future. You should probably google that so you can learn what it means. 7. If you want an area where you can be in relative peace, go join one of the big null coalitions. The problem here is that you don't want this. What you want is to farm your isk in total safety. By taking the proper precautions, you can already perform all those activities with 99.9% safety.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:42:34 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:Don't tell me what to do.. You don't own this game. Not the game, but James 315 owns Highsec, so he obviously has the right to tell you what to do. If you are not ok with our established system and are more "rebel" type who enjoys anarchy and is not "cool" about how we govern modern Highsec feel free to go to nullsec where you can play the game how you want. The people elected James 315 for a reason and he established the Code for a reason. But what you can't do is eat from the sweat fruits democracy brings you but at the same time not share the values it needs to function. We just don't want people like you in our Highsec, so you better change your ways or move on.
James 315 is an inventive player with very good writing skills..
I'll give him credit as far as creating "player made content"..
The fact that his content - his fun - is based on harassing other players while not risking anything makes him and those who would follow, douchebags; IMHO.
Remember, you cannot spell DOUCHE without CODE!
Again, with all due respect, don't tell me where to go Don't tell me how to play.
I want HIGHSEC to be RELATIVELY safe. I want criminal actions in HIGHSEC to have consequences.
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17270
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:44:15 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote: MWDing mach = 13 seconds align time, 8.03 seconds align time with nothing but nanofibers in the lows.
MWDing stabber = 7.67 seconds align time, 4.58 seconds align time with nothing but naofibers in the lows.
Well, dunno about your numbers but my mach fit (4xISTABII, 2xOverdrivesII, DCII + T1/2 500mn MWD, no rigs) has 7 sec align time and 10.6 sec MWD align before skills (EFT 2.33). Add some rigs and implants, it can go lower. 50mn mwd stabber ain't gonna do much in terms of counter bumping, 500mwd t1 cruisers are crap in terms of agility.
Cruisers bump battleships just fine. There is no possible way for a mach to have twice the agility of a cruiser.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:55:47 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:I want to play in HIGHSEC and be SAFE. What is wrong with that?
I want to play the game in MY way; not have someone force their game on me.
But people are cleverly exploiting rules and game mechanics to grief other players in HIGHSEC.
If you use BUMPING in an aggressive way in HIGHSEC, you should be tagged as a criminal.
If you are hiding in a NPC corp while coordinating a gank fleet, you should be tagged as a criminal.
Eve takes place in a very technically advanced future universe and we are talking about the most protected areas in that universe GÇô HIGHSEC.
I want an area where I can pursue my peaceful activities in relative peace. What's wrong with that?
I cut out some of the lines that were either straight whine or already covered sufficiently. Good job with that one there, Scipio. 1. Absolutely nothing. I play in highsec and am almost completely safe. Then again, I treat ganker and wardeccers as actual humans, so they're nice enough to tell me how to avoid a vast majority of the dangers in this game. 2. You wanting to play the game your way is fine. However, one of the core tenets of this game is that it is a cold, harsh, cruel world where Darwinism rules. If you want to play the game your way, you have to make others allow you to do so using the established rules. You don't get to simply change the rules simply because you don't like them, they apply equally across the board. 3. Bumping has been officially declared to NOT be an exploit. Unintended use of the mechanics, yes, but not an exploit. There's a lot in EvE based on unintended use of mechanics. 4. There is absolutely no way for the server to determine the intent of a bump, therefore it is impossible for this to be applied. 5. And if someone said that if you're hiding in a NPC corp while slaughtering millions of helpless NPCs or stealing the ore from the belts/anoms in regions controlled by the NPC empires, you should be tagged as a criminal, then that would be fair. You can't apply rules unequally. They either apply to all or they apply to none. 6. EvE takes place in a dystopian future. You should probably google that so you can learn what it means. 7. If you want an area where you can be in relative peace, go join one of the big null coalitions. The problem here is that you don't want this. What you want is to farm your isk in total safety. By taking the proper precautions, you can already perform all those activities with 99.9% safety.
bla bla, bla bla, bla bla bla..
Everyone can have their own interpretation of this game.. I am sharing mine.
In REAL LIFE we live in a cold, harsh, cruel world where Darwinism rules. - So I get that. Suicide gank all you want. It takes quite some effort to do it in HIGHSEC and gankers have my respect.
However Unintended use of the game mechanics is an EXPLOIT - especially if it allows reward without risk. - just that CCP has not yet or is currently unable to address it.
My posts are intended to petition CCP to look into this seriously and expeditiously.
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44202
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:05:39 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:However Unintended use of the game mechanics is an EXPLOIT - especially if it allows reward without risk. - just that CCP has not yet or is currently unable to address it. Actually CCP have addressed it and it isn't an exploit:
https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits
Quote:My posts are intended to petition CCP to look into this seriously and expeditiously
Good luck with that
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KickAss Tivianne
Galactic Special Operations Division Silent Infinity
65
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:15:48 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:However Unintended use of the game mechanics is an EXPLOIT - especially if it allows reward without risk. - just that CCP has not yet or is currently unable to address it. Actually CCP have addressed it and it specifically isn't an exploit: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits Common Misconceptions about Exploits This passage contains common tactics and other player conduct that is often mistakenly reported as exploits but are in fact not.
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Bumping: Ram the ship of another player with your own in order to prevent them from warping.Quote:My posts are intended to petition CCP to look into this seriously and expeditiously
Good luck with that
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44202
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:18:12 -
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KickAss Tivianne wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:However Unintended use of the game mechanics is an EXPLOIT - especially if it allows reward without risk. - just that CCP has not yet or is currently unable to address it. Actually CCP have addressed it and it specifically isn't an exploit: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits Common Misconceptions about Exploits This passage contains common tactics and other player conduct that is often mistakenly reported as exploits but are in fact not.
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Bumping: Ram the ship of another player with your own in order to prevent them from warping.Quote:My posts are intended to petition CCP to look into this seriously and expeditiously
Good luck with that Just because it was is the past, does not mean it won't be in the future. Games change. Nothing to do with the past or the future, only the now.
The claim was, it is an exploit. Present tense.
It is specifically not an exploit as stated by CCP and the evidence is there for anyone to also read.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25783
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:20:19 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:I want to play in HIGHSEC and be SAFE. What is wrong with that?
I want to play the game in MY way; not have someone force their game on me.
But people are cleverly exploiting rules and game mechanics to grief other players in HIGHSEC.
If you use BUMPING in an aggressive way in HIGHSEC, you should be tagged as a criminal.
If you are hiding in a NPC corp while coordinating a gank fleet, you should be tagged as a criminal.
Eve takes place in a very technically advanced future universe and we are talking about the most protected areas in that universe GÇô HIGHSEC.
I want an area where I can pursue my peaceful activities in relative peace. What's wrong with that?
I cut out some of the lines that were either straight whine or already covered sufficiently. Good job with that one there, Scipio. 1. Absolutely nothing. I play in highsec and am almost completely safe. Then again, I treat ganker and wardeccers as actual humans, so they're nice enough to tell me how to avoid a vast majority of the dangers in this game. 2. You wanting to play the game your way is fine. However, one of the core tenets of this game is that it is a cold, harsh, cruel world where Darwinism rules. If you want to play the game your way, you have to make others allow you to do so using the established rules. You don't get to simply change the rules simply because you don't like them, they apply equally across the board. 3. Bumping has been officially declared to NOT be an exploit. Unintended use of the mechanics, yes, but not an exploit. There's a lot in EvE based on unintended use of mechanics. 4. There is absolutely no way for the server to determine the intent of a bump, therefore it is impossible for this to be applied. 5. And if someone said that if you're hiding in a NPC corp while slaughtering millions of helpless NPCs or stealing the ore from the belts/anoms in regions controlled by the NPC empires, you should be tagged as a criminal, then that would be fair. You can't apply rules unequally. They either apply to all or they apply to none. 6. EvE takes place in a dystopian future. You should probably google that so you can learn what it means. 7. If you want an area where you can be in relative peace, go join one of the big null coalitions. The problem here is that you don't want this. What you want is to farm your isk in total safety. By taking the proper precautions, you can already perform all those activities with 99.9% safety. bla bla, bla bla, bla bla bla.. Everyone can have their own interpretation of this game.. I am sharing mine. In REAL LIFE we live in a cold, harsh, cruel world where Darwinism rules. - So I get that. Suicide gank all you want. It takes quite some effort to do it in HIGHSEC and gankers have my respect. However Unintended use of the game mechanics is an EXPLOIT - especially if it allows reward without risk. - just that CCP has not yet or is currently unable to address it. My posts are intended to petition CCP to look into this seriously and expeditiously. Veers.. is that you?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:23:38 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Actually CCP have addressed it and it specifically isn't an exploit: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits Common Misconceptions about Exploits This passage contains common tactics and other player conduct that is often mistakenly reported as exploits but are in fact not.
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Bumping: Ram the ship of another player with your own in order to prevent them from warping.[quote]My posts are intended to petition CCP to look into this seriously and expeditiously
Rules and gameplay are constantly evolving and never static.. otherwise I wouldn't bother to petition.
I can see where those who enjoy being douchebags prefer the status quo.
Scipio Artelius wrote:Good luck with that
Thank you!
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44202
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:24:56 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Actually CCP have addressed it and it specifically isn't an exploit: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits Common Misconceptions about Exploits This passage contains common tactics and other player conduct that is often mistakenly reported as exploits but are in fact not.
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Bumping: Ram the ship of another player with your own in order to prevent them from warping.[quote]My posts are intended to petition CCP to look into this seriously and expeditiously Rules and gameplay are constantly evolving and never static.. otherwise I wouldn't bother to petition. I can see that those who enjoy being douchebags prefer the status quo. Scipio Artelius wrote:Good luck with that Thank you! Sure. Petition all you like.
But, if you claim it is an exploit, you are wrong in CCP's own words and rulings.
It is not.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:30:58 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: Nothing to do with the past or the future, only the now.
The claim was, it is an exploit. Present tense.
It is specifically not an exploit as stated by CCP and the evidence is there for anyone to also read.
I was not meaning EXPLOIT in reference to CCP's current rulings..
I meant EXPLOIT in terms of general on line gameplay across all games (the bunnyhop for example was an EXPLOIT)
I want CCP to CHANGE the rules
And again, the way I see it, only those who enjoy douchery would prefer a status quo
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44202
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:33:56 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: Nothing to do with the past or the future, only the now.
The claim was, it is an exploit. Present tense.
It is specifically not an exploit as stated by CCP and the evidence is there for anyone to also read.
I was not meaning EXPLOIT in reference to CCP's current rulings.. I meant EXPLOIT in terms of general on line gameplay across all games (the bunnyhop for example was an EXPLOIT) I want CCP to CHANGE the rules And again, the way I see it, only those who enjoy douchery would prefer a status quo You can attempt to reinterpret exploit all you like.
It is not an exploit as ruled and stated by CCP.
Full stop.
Good luck getting that changed, but frankly your definition of exploit or mine, or anyone else other than CCP's means exactly nothing.
Only CCP's definition and ruling matters.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1816
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:57:21 -
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Brad Neece wrote: HPs increased because it make Logical sense or just people being pissed wreck warp-in were being popped? Logically thinking why are wrecks something that you can warp to in the 1st place.
And back to logical......Why are those pilots"transferring" loot to a DST hangar becoming Suspect at all if they are never really in possession of those items. Shouldn't the 1st ship that has the items physically in cargo hold go Suspect in that case. Its not nerf to ganking to fix this simple thing, is it? After all the ganking is already over by the time the looting starts. Plus gankers like CODE. claim the loot doesnt matter to them anyway :)
The suspect timer is based on trying to move goods. For a practical example, fill a megathron's cargo w/ stuff. Undock and try to move loot from a can/wreck of your choice into cargo. It will fail due to no room in the destination container. You'll still be suspect.
So the person moving the stuff takes the heat. It's an old mechanic that predates fleet hangers. It should probably be updated to account for the addition of fleet hangers to all sorts of ships.
As others have pointed out, this movement to fleet hangers is innovative. Someone applied brains to game mechanics and found the 'best way' to complete the task. It's admirable. And let's be honest about this specific process - anyone can have a 300 SP alt dish that loot into any fleet hanger. It's not like only a select few folks are allowed to do it. You wanna go all white knight - here's your tactic. Ibis that loot into a DST before the ebil gankers do and then contract it to the original owner for free. THEN taunt the gankers in local by showing the contract and rubbing your success in their noses. It will hurt them. They can say and pretend that it doesn't, but you will be getting them where they live. Perhaps you could even thank them in local for providing you with the opportunity to help others. See where I'm going with this?
Work on updating the mechanic if you don't think it's where it should be, but don't play the unfair (or worse immoral) card on this. It's fair, because anyone can recover the assets and do with them what they please. Sure, you can't legally shoot the hauler once it has the goods, but you have an equal opportunity to transfer them at the onset.
Trust me on this - the loot matters, and it matters even more if you claim it and give it back to the owners. You just have to take some actions to make it matter the way you want it to. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1816
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Posted - 2016.02.04 14:06:23 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:
I want an area where I can pursue my peaceful activities in relative peace. What's wrong with that?
That's not EVE, go play STO if you want to be safe. Don't tell me what to do.. You don't own this game. You didn't develop this game and it's not up to you to define it. I want to play THIS game and I want it to be more REALISTIC. That's all. Realism should trump douchery..
See my opinion is that the game has been realistic since day 1. It's also my opinion that the douchery going on here is you showing up and trying to change a unique and beautiful MMO into just another cookie cutter piece of garbage where everything is safe and snuggly.
I'll reword Baltec into more understandable terms so folks will small self centered cognitive functions can see it more plainly.
MMOs like Eve - 0 MMOs where everything is safe and fluffy - dime a dozen and in many many flavors (including space pilot flavor)
Don't come take a dump on Eve and try to conform it to what you think is right. Please pick an MMO that suits your play style and needs. Showing up here and trying to convert a beautiful sandbox to fit your own personal whims is the actuall DOUCHERY that's going on. |
Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.02.04 14:24:26 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:
I want an area where I can pursue my peaceful activities in relative peace. What's wrong with that?
That's not EVE, go play STO if you want to be safe. Don't tell me what to do.. You don't own this game. You didn't develop this game and it's not up to you to define it. I want to play THIS game and I want it to be more REALISTIC. That's all. Realism should trump douchery.. See my opinion is that the game has been realistic since day 1. It's also my opinion that the douchery going on here is you showing up and trying to change a unique and beautiful MMO into just another cookie cutter piece of garbage where everything is safe and snuggly. I'll reword Baltec into more understandable terms so folks will small self centered cognitive functions can see it more plainly. MMOs like Eve - 0 MMOs where everything is safe and fluffy - dime a dozen and in many many flavors (including space pilot flavor) Don't come take a dump on Eve and try to conform it to what you think is right. Please pick an MMO that suits your play style and needs. Showing up here and trying to convert a beautiful sandbox to fit your own personal whims is the actuall DOUCHERY that's going on.
everyone is entitled to their opinions; ours differ.
I define douchery as taking pleasure in inflicting pain onto others. - especially when it is inflicted without any consequence - especially when it is inflicted on new, weaker players.
Why should the rules and game mechanics favor the douchbags?
to restate: games are constantly evolving. Eve has certainly evolved (and for the better!) in the case of the dynamics being discussed on this thread, only those who enjoy douchery want a status quo..
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 14:58:13 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:I want to play in HIGHSEC and be SAFE. What is wrong with that?
Everything about that is wrong.
Quote: I want to play the game in MY way; not have someone force their game on me.
Then you are playing the wrong game. EVE Online was founded on non consensual PvP. Which by the way is not "griefing", either, no matter your petty attempts at mischaracterization.
Quote: I want an area where I can pursue my peaceful activities in relative peace. What's wrong with that?
Everything. You have no right whatsoever to be able to pretend like this PvP sandbox MMO is a single player game.
Uninstall.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2128
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Posted - 2016.02.04 14:58:54 -
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Bella Jennie wrote: Again, with all due respect, don't tell me where to go Don't tell me how to play.
I know, you think you are your own women and want do to stuff your own way. But in Highsec we are a community and we have to live together. The freedom of one person ends where the freedom of the other person starts. There is no longer anarchy in Highsec were everyone can do what he/she wants, there is now order and democracy and all that good stuff.
So yes, we do tell you how you should play and what you should do because we are the guardians of this New Order of Highsec and we have to make sure you follow the law of the people, the Code. We don't do it for profit or for our amusement, but for a better Highsec for everyone.
Bella Jennie wrote: I want HIGHSEC to be RELATIVELY safe. I want criminal actions in HIGHSEC to have consequences.
We all want a safe Highsec and healthy citizens. That is indeed why we enforce the Code and make sure people follow the rules and don't mine and haul in an illegal way. We are the consequences.
We all have to do our part to make Highsec the place we all dream of. Don't ask what Highsec can do for you. Ask what you can do for Highsec!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:02:12 -
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Bella Jennie wrote: I define douchery as taking pleasure in inflicting pain onto others.
No one cares what you define.
You don't matter. Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:14:58 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:I want to play in HIGHSEC and be SAFE. What is wrong with that?
Everything about that is wrong. Quote: I want to play the game in MY way; not have someone force their game on me.
Then you are playing the wrong game. EVE Online was founded on non consensual PvP. Which by the way is not "griefing", either, no matter your petty attempts at mischaracterization. Quote: I want an area where I can pursue my peaceful activities in relative peace. What's wrong with that?
Everything. You have no right whatsoever to be able to pretend like this PvP sandbox MMO is a single player game. Uninstall.
It is just amazing how people want to become my personal "on-line gaming consultants"..
Also how many cling to the notions that CCP made this game specifically so that people could harass, annoy and grief other players without any risk or consequences..
Anyway, everyone entitled to their opinion..
Once again, I'm talking about HIGHSEC, I'm talking about assigning CONSEQUENCES to criminal behavior in HIGHSEC
I have already stated that suicide ganking in HIGHSEC is fine with me.. - I respect the high degree of effort, coordination & cost required to pull it off.
BUMPING on purpose without consequences in HIGHSEC is unbalanced gameplay favoring those (I call them douchebags) who would harass & annoy other players in HIGHSEC.
I want CCP to change that.. I'm fairly certain that eventually, they will.
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Iain Cariaba
2520
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:15:33 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:... in terms of general on line gameplay across all games News flash: Eve Online is not like any other game. This is intentional. It was designed that way. Stop trying to make EvE not EvE.
Bella Jennie wrote:And again, the way I see it, only those who enjoy douchery would prefer a status quo You see it wrong. I am a perfect example of how wrong you are. I tried ganking, or douchery as you call it. I didn't enjoy it. But, just because I didn't enjoy it doesn't mean it should be removed from the game, as is your obvious intention. I pointed this out, but you blatantly ignored it because the ideals of EvE, which I strive to live up to, don't fit into your narrow minded vision of what this game should be.
You've been here for 10 days, and apparently rather than trying to adapt yourself into the game, you've decided the game must adapt to fit you. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. If you don't like the fact that ganking is permitted and encouraged in EvE, then GTFO. Contract me all your stuff, send me all your isk, biomass your characters, and unsubscribe. The day CCP makes highsec 100% safe is the day the final countdown to server shutoff begins.
And yes, despite all your bleating to the contrary, highsec is already 99.9% safe. You have every tool you need to make this happen, if you simply use them.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:21:49 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Bella Jennie wrote: Again, with all due respect, don't tell me where to go Don't tell me how to play.
I know, you think you are your own women and want do to stuff your own way. But in Highsec we are a community and we have to live together. The freedom of one person ends where the freedom of the other person starts. There is no longer anarchy in Highsec were everyone can do what he/she wants, there is now order and democracy and all that good stuff. So yes, we do tell you how you should play and what you should do because we are the guardians of this New Order of Highsec and we have to make sure you follow the law of the people, the Code. We don't do it for profit or for our amusement, but for a better Highsec for everyone. Bella Jennie wrote: I want HIGHSEC to be RELATIVELY safe. I want criminal actions in HIGHSEC to have consequences.
We all want a safe Highsec and healthy citizens. That is indeed why we enforce the Code and make sure people follow the rules and don't mine and haul in an illegal way. We are the consequences. We all have to do our part to make Highsec the place we all dream of. Don't ask what Highsec can do for you. Ask what you can do for Highsec!
Spouting CODE propaganda in order to defend downright douchery speaks volumes..
But then again, so does your character name.
HIGHSEC is not relatively safe to my satisfaction as long as the unbalanced BUMPING rules/game mechanics remain unfixed.
I have full confidence that CCP will eventually adress this for the better. - it may take time; it must not be wasy to fix.
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10587
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:22:13 -
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Bella Jennie wrote: Once again, I'm talking about HIGHSEC, I'm talking about assigning CONSEQUENCES to criminal behavior in HIGHSEC
Are you on crazy pills? There already are consequences to criminal behaviour in highsec - liquidation by CONCORD. That is a consequence, and a pretty final one.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:27:49 -
[808] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Bella Jennie wrote: Once again, I'm talking about HIGHSEC, I'm talking about assigning CONSEQUENCES to criminal behavior in HIGHSEC
Are you on crazy pills? There already are consequences to criminal behaviour in highsec - liquidation by CONCORD. That is a consequence, and a pretty final one.
I'm sorry, but are you so caught up on defending douchery that you're UNAWARE of this thread's major premise?
Dude, we're talking about BUMPING being used as a weapon in HIGHSEC without any consequences for the bumper.. - while there is almost guaranteed destruction and loss for the bumpee.
And just to be sure you fully understand, we are talking about this happening in HIGHSEC.
Why have a game where the advantage is held by douchebag players.
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Mag's
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
21157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:29:21 -
[809] - Quote
Is this now the Twilight Zone thread?
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:30:26 -
[810] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bella Jennie wrote: I define douchery as taking pleasure in inflicting pain onto others.
No one cares what you define. You don't matter. Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help.
do you have a mental problem if you get "pleasure" from other people's sorrow?
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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