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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2007.01.31 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Milonia
That is your perogative to assume APEX Unlimited is of little threat to anyone. It is our perogative to prove you wrong.
bring it
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
Nolin Riis
Gallente Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2007.01.31 11:39:00 -
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Poor APEX. Ultra-nationalist tools of the Caldari one day, Federation front corporation the next.
Anyway, arguing the technical illeagality of the cargo is a moot point. Had the route been entirely high-security Federation space, the customs department would have soon scrambled and forced the same decision on that freighter: hand over the cargo or the ship will be destroyed. Once her ship had been scrambled reduced to hull, we gave Sarpati Idama ten, possibly even twenty minutes for all hands to evacuate the ship. The deciding factor in the ship's destruction was the local pirates and Rabbits she began to call to the system.
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Eden Ramani
INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2007.01.31 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Eden Ramani on 31/01/2007 14:34:00
Originally by: Nolin Riis the technical illeagality of the cargo is a moot point. Had the route been entirely high-security Federation space, the customs department would have soon scrambled and forced the same decision on that freighter: hand over the cargo or the ship will be destroyed.
You seek to enforce Federation laws, push their agenda? You admit to making a choice to enforcing Federation law outside of secure space and did so against one of your own Idama, and without any hard proof or even any circumstantial evidence of wrong doing.
Intaki Union may have disagreed with some of what Vremaja Idama said but we never attacked him and our differences were greater than something as mundane as recrational drug use.
If nothing else this is a clear beacon that you are supporters of Federation intrests and Federation law, even over your own people.
Originally by: Nolin Riis Poor APEX. Federation front corporation the next.
Their actions have consistently supported the Federation from attacking Freedom-thinking Idama while supporting Idama who are positive towards the Federation to enforcing the laws of the Federation in the frontier provinces of Federation space. They arenÆtÆ in Mito or other locations trying to support the State, they are running to Placid to help prop up the FederationÆs interests. Their words may say one thing, their description may say they support the State, but deed is how true value is judged not word.
This is just another in a long list of choices they have made to support the FederationÆs interests and ideology.
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Jack Malus
Gallente Phoenix Wing Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.01.31 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss stuff
They way you phrase your words makes it sound like you think of them as your puppets to be ordered around Placid to exert your will.
There is nothing in their charter that makes them predictable. In fact, I am perplexed that they are not shooting you. ---
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Milonia
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.31 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
bring it
I am not going to "bring" anything except logic and wisdom to your wrong assumptions of our organization. You may think APEX is small and of little threat. Apparantly my parable flew right over your head. It is of no matter. By your thinking, APEX will continue to be a loudmouth bunch of puppets that aren't really good for anything.
Fine, perhaps that will keep everyone else out of our hair as we operate.
And top say we support the Federation because we made a stand on illicit drugs is asinine!
Just because two factions might share the same ideal does not mean we have any connection with the other.
============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice!
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.31 16:54:00 -
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Feel free to ignore members of Intaki Union Milonia, their asinine conspiracy theories are just that, theories, and not worth the time spent addressing them. _____________________________________
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2007.01.31 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Malus Edited by: Jack Malus on 31/01/2007 16:57:56
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss stuff about Black Rabbits
They way you phrase your words makes it sound like you think of them as your puppets to be ordered around Placid to exert your will.
then you need to read better. they helped destroy CYI assets in Placid. for that they are owed a debt. go back to hiding under EM's skirts.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
Usagi Tsukino
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.31 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Eden Ramani Their actions have consistently supported the Federation from attacking Freedom-thinking Idama while supporting Idama who are positive towards the Federation to enforcing the laws of the Federation in the frontier provinces of Federation space. They arenÆtÆ in Mito or other locations trying to support the State, they are running to Placid to help prop up the FederationÆs interests. Their words may say one thing, their description may say they support the State, but deed is how true value is judged not word.
This is just another in a long list of choices they have made to support the FederationÆs interests and ideology.
VendrinÆs KOS status in the Federation and my just about KOS status (plus multiple arrest warrants) seem to contradict your claims.
If you guys used logic and reasoning, you would be able to see the difference between ænot wanting every Fedo deadÆ and æbest friends to the Federation.Æ We look for and hope to see a free Intaki State. Having the Intaki people as both economical and military allies is in the best interest of every Caldari and the Intaki. But of course in your eyes, because we are not out there every day blowing up Fedos, we most certainly must be aligned with them.
As for the Idama, IÆve seen the chat log and not once did Vendrin or Placid Reborn don a sheriffÆs hat and yell æstop in the name of the law!Æ The drug, like all others, was an enslavement device that would have destroyed the Intaki people. They did what they thought was right and was in the best interest of the Intaki; what I assume IU claims to be doing.
IU, like most terrorist groups, serves their own interest first, and the interests of those they are allegedly fighting for, second. ---
Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division |
Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Vendrin on 31/01/2007 19:08:16 removed. _____________________________________
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:12:00 -
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removed. _____________________________________
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Phantomas
Gallente INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
Vendrin will kill Federation people here are his papers! See.. SEE *Usagi sways back and forth in corner*
You guys are stupid... STUPID we have friends in Federation groups so we don't want to shoot them just the bad Federation people.. you see... not the good ones *Usagi Tsukino scratches at walls while muttering there is a difference... there is a difference... there is a dif...*
Yes we killed an Idama but not just because drugs are bad and illegal in Federation space... Besides she was Killing babies on her ship!! That's right she is a baby killer... *small cry lets out from Usagi and continues to scratch walls fingers bleeding*
IU are the bad guys see look everyone look *pulls out Bliss Bauble Head collectible*! They are trying to paint us as Federation lap dogs Evil... Evil... Amarrian loyalists *Usagi puts hands over ears and mutters to herself in dark corner*
Placid Reborn with much encouragement on Intaki Union's part finally admitted they are collaborators with the Federation... If Apex is truly not an agent for the Federation then they have a terrible habit of making friends then helping those friends against Caldari/Intaki interests.
In my opinion they are confused, miserable creatures... the five pilots they have that is *smiles*
-Phantomas [2006.04.30 19:30:23] Vremaja Idama > For it is by men of action as yourself that we as Intaki will find our way into the future. |
Able Citizen
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it good for people. Drugs being fed to the people under false pretenses, especially by someone who holds such a high position of moral authority over the Intaki, is terrible. *snip*
I'd even think the Star Fraction can appericate what Placid Reborn and Vendrin did...*snip*
And just because something is legal, doesn't mean it holds no future harm for the user.
Tobacco products, spiced wine, and other trade goods remain legal because the bloated elites realize huge profits from their trafficking. Here we have an Idama trying to be enterprising and deliver a substance directly to market without government interference and we get objections; from a Kuvakei, no less!
I admire Sansha's trailblazing as much as the next post-humanist, but for you to try and amplify your remark because someone is an 'Idama' is quite ironic...
As regular user of Drop, I can tell you that the claims of these so-called illicit substances being inherently "bad" are blown WAY out of proportion. Avoiding the extreme of prohibition as well as addiction is the course that we as capsuleers must take.
If you struggle with being unable to resist because of a physiological "addiction". The Cosmopolite and I may be able to assist you in overcoming this condition.
Nice jab at the Fraction, by the way; however hollow.
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Usagi Tsukino
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.01 14:58:00 -
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What jab? There was no jab there.
Look, Mr. Citizen (an incredibly ironic name I might add, given your current occupation) The Fraction destroys alliances and pod pilots left and right in order to stop the spread of nationalist nemantic demigoddery, or whatever the phrase is that you use. Placid Reborn and Vendrin destroyed a tool of enslavement. The only difference I see is that in the process you've killed thousands, while PR and Vendrin killed no one.
I know that you will continue to disagree with me because I can understand how tragic it would be to find that you have something in common with such a nasty Caldari nationalist group like APEX, but just disagreeing doesn't make my point any less valid.
And Phantomas, damn you for making me laugh. Just damn you. ---
Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division |
Khavi Vetali
Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.01 15:45:00 -
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While residing in Syndicate, I've seen what commonly available drugs can do to the user if the addiction cannot be controlled. I honestly find such weakness repelling. If you do not have the strength of will to use such substances in moderation, then you really have no place taking them. I realise that such a statement contains a logical fallacy, that a user might not know his or her succeptability to a certain drug, but in that case once a predisposition to physical dependence on a substance is established, steps can be taken by the user to halt the addiction. If they aren't, well...the only one at fault is the individual.
Synthetic boosters and recreational drugs have their place, and it's abject hippocrisy that such things are illegal in Federation space while equally damaging but more socially acceptable vices are allowed. As said before, personal responsibility should be the determining factor in such things, not legality or availability. One must understand consequence.
This all being said, I find myself in immense disgust that someone would want to exist in the past rather than create new memories and experience life in the now. There are no answers to be found by reliving the past.
However, I am curious, are there any documented side effects from use of Rise other than becoming lost in dreams? Because in these times reality is a subjective thing, and who, if anyone, has the right to impose their reality on others. If someone prefers existance in a time where they were happier, I am not one to stand in their way.
Originally by: Itanis "Hello there mate, I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm going to have to sodomize you with howitzers. Have a lovely day!"
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2007.02.01 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
And Phantomas, damn you for making me laugh. Just damn you.
yeah Phant wins the thread.
it isn't fair either, I can't follow that...
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.01 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino The only difference I see is that in the process you've killed thousands, while PR and Vendrin killed no one.
To my sorrow that is not true. The crew of the Freighter and the thoraxes did not survive. _____________________________________
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Usagi Tsukino
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.01 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
Originally by: Usagi Tsukino The only difference I see is that in the process you've killed thousands, while PR and Vendrin killed no one.
To my sorrow that is not true. The crew of the Freighter and the thoraxes did not survive.
Sounds like they killed themselves. If they can't abandon ship in the 10-20 minutes you gave them... Well.. *shrugs*
Don't see anyone else doing that anymore. ---
Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division |
Leth Orion
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.01 22:15:00 -
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Sundari Idama survived the incident, she ejected her ship in the last second and warped away in her pod, about her friends I dont know. It is very understandable that Vendrin might have missed her departure since he was busy holding the pirates that had arrived at the scene at bay, giving myself and Nolin the time we needed to finish our job!
But to me it seems like we have strayed abit of topic!
I to want to know more about these Illoren! Im especially fond of your last statement; "We are the Illoren, and we will bring peace and protection to Placid." Please, I would like to get in contact with your group, I cant speak for the rest of Placid Reborn on this matter but I feel that if you are what you claim to be we will have no problems cooperating with you!
With Regards Leth Orion - Intaki Free Trader
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Suuji Praath
Suffoco Noctis Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.02 06:27:00 -
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Long live the Illoren. May you stain Placid with the blood of the false Idama.
Alone, We are Free.
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