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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
15172
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Posted - 2016.01.28 11:40:27 -
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I've toyed with the idea of extracting tons of SP from my alts purely to inject them to me as the sp on my alts don't do any good (not that they do good on me either but you know... sp count)
/c
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3921
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Posted - 2016.01.28 11:43:51 -
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Good example: Chribba will not be more "Chribby" than he is now by injecting a lot of SP. Trust you can build only with a lot of time and effort to uphold the reputation.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2348
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Posted - 2016.01.28 11:48:53 -
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I endorse this product, i bought a char and im based in thelan, look forward to violence being committed on myself thxbye
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
608
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Posted - 2016.01.28 12:16:13 -
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Chribba wrote:I've toyed with the idea of extracting tons of SP from my alts purely to inject them to me as the sp on my alts don't do any good (not that they do good on me either but you know... sp count)
/c I just thought about this Chribba. Dr Caymus has what now? 260-280mil SPs? But 100mil SPs @150K SP per injector is 667 of them. Say theyre 400mil each thats 267bil isk. So technically you could, with enough injectors, buy your way to top of the SP pool in Eve just for the sake of it. Individuals with trillions of personal isk could make a new "monocle" type club.
Imam: Have you heard anything I've said?
Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
Imam: That's right.
Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
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BeholdMyCreation
Crouching Tiger Hidden Ibis
3
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Posted - 2016.01.28 12:22:25 -
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This character will be milked for all he is worth and stuffed into my main.
Will also spend approx Gé¼100 buying isk and thus sp (if possible).
Why? Why not you peasants. |
Revenant Kane
The Revenant Crew
27
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Posted - 2016.01.28 12:26:38 -
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Alea wrote:Bruce Kemp wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears.
This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid.
I for one look forward to dining on space veal. ^^ This Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity.
What Alea meant was...
"Alone? noway that is to scary" |
Varro Octavius
Octavian Basilicus
0
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Posted - 2016.01.28 12:30:07 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Varro Octavius wrote:I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.
I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.
Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.
So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.
You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage. Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice.
I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG.
I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf? |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3935
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Posted - 2016.01.28 12:51:18 -
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Varro Octavius wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Varro Octavius wrote:I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.
I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.
Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.
So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.
You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage. Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice. I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG. I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf?
Again you are overrating the skillpoints and role it plays in the game. Already 100% player skill happens in a lot of situations, like flying doctrine ships. Just a Game of Vets in particular doctrines. You will have to play a lot to have a lot of isk if you want to buy yourself an upgrade, while someone will hunt you. Or you will have to buy more PLEX from CCP. So its not all sunshine and butterflies for someone injecting SP.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Thorian Baalnorn
Bad Influence I N G L O R I O U S
39
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Posted - 2016.01.28 13:13:36 -
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Alea wrote:This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler.
Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.?
Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null.
Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will.
Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them..
Personally, i think you should stop being bitter and take advantage of new features such as injection in the game. Doomsayers and bitter vets did the same thing with plexes when they came out. And plexes were literally the best thing CCP put in Eve. Before Plexes every single mission hub had isk sellers spamming local. Jita ISK sellers spammed local so much that local scrolled so fast you couldnt even read it. After plexes were implemented isk sellers almost completely disappeared and now its extremely rare to see one.
Then you run into your other problem. I could inject 200 million easily in this account alone and you wouldnt know any difference because all the alts on it are 5 plus years old and most of my training on them actually almost all of it was way back when the only way to train multiple alts was to have multiple accounts. I take advantage now of being able to train two alts at the same time And i will probably inject SP( feel free to come to null and attempt to kill me) to speed up my training.
Im glad CCP is coming up with more ways to get players to spend money without it majorly affecting game balance. CCP has proven over the last decade that they put a lot of the money they get from players right back into the game. And they are on an extremely short list of game companies that do that. Most just rake in the profits until the game dies then make a new one.
The more people spend on this game the more cool stuff we will get in game and i am all for that. As a "vet" you should know that SP is only a minor factor in your ability to kill someone. Ive been killed by players with 5-6 times less xp than me and ive killed players with 2-3 times more sp than me. Eve is unique in that "max level" doesnt give you a significant advantage where as in most games max level would make you extremely overpowered.
I say you suck it up, stop being bitter, enjoy the game, and take advantage of the options presented to you.
Shooting Structures = PVP Mining
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Varro Octavius
Octavian Basilicus
1
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Posted - 2016.01.28 14:44:39 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Varro Octavius wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Varro Octavius wrote:I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.
I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.
Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.
So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.
You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage. Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice. I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG. I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf? Again you are overrating the skillpoints and role it plays in the game. Already 100% player skill happens in a lot of situations, like flying doctrine ships. Just a Game of Vets in particular doctrines. You will have to play a lot to have a lot of isk if you want to buy yourself an upgrade, while someone will hunt you. Or you will have to buy more PLEX from CCP. So its not all sunshine and butterflies for someone injecting SP.
Think I can safely say I wouldn't be in EVE at all if I wanted sunshine and Daisy's! Hehe. I agree with what you are saying about the importance of skill points(or lack of). But when vets were subbing and gaining skill points back in the day they were all doing it together at the same time/rate, and with a game where the only way to access certain things is barred by a time wall that was only accomplishable by subbing from a certain point in time; that really secludes the amount of players involved when you consider how many people will have stopped playing and never returned, by the looks of things the amount of players skilling up their characters to those levels is dropping, creating a divide between new player and vet. In a game where the economy is player run that is a death sentence.
At least with this system you chose your skills, just like vets did, it's up to you how much time you put in to make those skills worthwhile, just like any other player. It's a much fairer system for everyone vs character trading, excluding reputation. |
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Memphis Baas
999
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Posted - 2016.01.28 14:51:22 -
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Why just shoot them...
... when you can take a trip to Huttaken (it's right next to Halaima), and write a Book of Truth about the need to have a Permit to inject skills into your brain, and then hire a bunch of "Followers" to run a nice extortion racket and make some money for yourself your non-profit organization named EDOC. |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
584
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Posted - 2016.01.28 15:04:43 -
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I think SP-trading is the most offensive change made to EVE since I've been playing the game. It physically pains me that it's happening and I've lost sleep worrying about what it means for EVE's future. When I read feedback on the topic too long, I have to log and walk away.
And yet I'll be buying SP just like everyone else. Don't shoot me for it.
When reality shifts, you can't pretend it hasn't. You either go with the flow or be left behind.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
286
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Posted - 2016.01.28 17:55:08 -
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Alea wrote:Bruce Kemp wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears.
This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid.
I for one look forward to dining on space veal. ^^ This Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity.
Hmm... you make bitter vets seem sweet in comparison. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
388
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:05:01 -
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Please OP, enough of the elitist claptrap. Attitudes like yours are the very reason this game has such a bad reputation and why it will forever be a minor niche player in the space/sci-fi MMO genre.
Also, post with your main since you apparently have such noble and high-minded ideals about how to play Eve the "right" and "honorable" way. Or are you just another blowhard hypocritical forum warrior vomiting your silly ideas all over the place? Put your isk where your mouth is. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:09:23 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Please OP, enough of the elitist claptrap. Attitudes like yours are the very reason this game has such a bad reputation and why it will forever be a minor niche player in the space/sci-fi MMO genre.
Also, post with your main since you apparently have such noble and high-minded ideals about how to play Eve the "right" and "honorable" way. Or are you just another blowhard hypocritical forum warrior vomiting your silly ideas all over the place? Put your isk where your mouth is.
I get a feeling the op is just trolling, especially as 'FEELER' was used at the end of the title.
Probably trying to stir like minded people (if there are any) into some kind of action. |
Elukka
Manfios
0
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:11:46 -
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It's actually surprising a game as old as EVE hasn't had any sort of catchup mechanic until this. I really don't mind that newer characters aren't forever restricted to lessr SP. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2349
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:14:00 -
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Elukka wrote:It's actually surprising a game as old as EVE hasn't had any sort of catchup mechanic until this. I really don't mind that newer characters aren't forever restricted to lessr SP.
isnt character bazaar a catchup mechanic?
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:18:47 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Elukka wrote:It's actually surprising a game as old as EVE hasn't had any sort of catchup mechanic until this. I really don't mind that newer characters aren't forever restricted to lessr SP. isnt character bazaar a catchup mechanic?
No and yes.
You can catch up skill wise (with the bazaar) to some degree, but the character is never really yours in terms of its complete development.
Sp trading allows catch up to some degree with you controlling its skill development.
So there is a major difference (how major depends how you view your character/s). |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2349
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:22:24 -
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i see it as the same sort of thing really, you are paying for skills, api will always show you have bought skills either bazaar or skillpacks
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2536
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:30:58 -
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Alea wrote: myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection
Alea wrote: I'm a mature older dude
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:42:34 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i see it as the same sort of thing really, you are paying for skills, api will always show you have bought skills either bazaar or skillpacks
I thought you might Lan.
We have clones which we can download our consciousness into. Why are we taking weeks/months to learn stuff anyway.
Ever see the film Outlander, where he crashes on Earth, set in our past. He uses a machine and downloads how to speak a language in a matter of a couple of minutes.
Learning character skills in this game is all about your choice of skill and time. Time is the major factor but time has nothing to do with your skills. You still get to choose which skills to train with sp trading, without the waiting around with no further input from the player until it finishes.
There's no skill in waiting for a skill to train. So does it matter if it's quicker? |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
232
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:18:47 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i see it as the same sort of thing really, you are paying for skills, api will always show you have bought skills either bazaar or skillpacks
Agreed, if one overlooks the RP aspect of character development, then both ways of attaining skills are the same. So having already opened the way with the bazaar, is the only reason for the resistance to SP trading due to players having accepted the bazaar as a permanent part of the game? |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:46:10 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
So having already opened the way with the bazaar, is the only reason for the resistance to SP trading due to players having accepted the bazaar as a permanent part of the game?
Some people see it as a form of P2W and some are set against all forms of P2W. The bazaar wasn't popular with everyone.
Some people like to have a comfortable lead over others and would prefer to keep that lead.
Some don't like change because they're concerned of what might come next.
Some have played for years and feel that they've really developed the character themselves and feel that people that can short cut things are cheapening their achievement.
So there are various reasons.
However, the purity of the skill queue (community) was damaged with the introduction of the bazaar. Although individually you can maintain that purity if you so wish.
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stg slate
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:50:54 -
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Yonis Kador wrote: It physically pains me that it's happening and I've lost sleep worrying about what it means for EVE's future.
wat?
Do you have your entire retirement fund in CCP stock? Because if the answer is no, then you need to unplug a bit, that level of obsession with a game is beyond unhealthy. We all like internet spaceships, but we don't worry ourselves sick and insomniatic over patches. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10467
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:53:19 -
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Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark?
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1497
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:07:50 -
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Add me to your list! I live in a wormhole. Catch me if you can.
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d0cTeR9
Oceanic Death Squad SpaceMonkey's Alliance
311
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:19:08 -
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I'll inject myself some SP. Gotta round out that 200 mil SP i have.
Been around since the beginning.
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Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative
93
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:31:47 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:I think SP-trading is the most offensive change made to EVE since I've been playing the game. It physically pains me that it's happening and I've lost sleep worrying about what it means for EVE's future. When I read feedback on the topic too long, I have to log and walk away.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3964
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:03:20 -
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Injecting someones SP into you is really unhealthy, you dont know to who it belonged to. Maybe it was even the 3rd or 4th user of that SP!
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:09:56 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Injecting someones SP into you is really unhealthy, you dont know to who it belonged to. Maybe it was even the 3rd or 4th user of that SP!
Dont be an SP junkie.
Unless it can effect your consciousness, I wouldn't worry too much, the next clone you would be cured. |
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