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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:14:49 -
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Avvy wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Injecting someones SP into you is really unhealthy, you dont know to who it belonged to. Maybe it was even the 3rd or 4th user of that SP!
Dont be an SP junkie. Unless it can effect your consciousness, I wouldn't worry too much, the next clone you would be cured. But if they clone your mind and you have mental health problems? The future would not look so bright when You are Gallente and some Caldari nationalist will sell you some mental rootkit to brainwash you in the future and make you his spy.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:24:22 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Avvy wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Injecting someones SP into you is really unhealthy, you dont know to who it belonged to. Maybe it was even the 3rd or 4th user of that SP!
Dont be an SP junkie. Unless it can effect your consciousness, I wouldn't worry too much, the next clone you would be cured. But if they clone your mind and you have mental health problems? The future would not look so bright when You are Gallente and some Caldari nationalist will sell you some mental rootkit to brainwash you in the future and make you his spy.
I had already started thinking about my last post.
Iirc the consciousness is transferred to the new clone at the moment of death. But what happens if the brain is damaged prior to the transfer. Lets hope they keep a backup. |
Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:38:16 -
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Varro Octavius wrote:I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.
I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.
Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.
So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.
I'm getting to be an old dude man, I'm in my early 50s so back in 2003 I was already set financially, Eve was the first MMO I tried and I have been hooked ever since, don't take what I'm looking into doing as a personal attack on newbs as it isnt.
I have nothing against you or anybody else who has started Eve later than I, I applaud anybody who can stick with this game for more than a few months from the start, it is a great challenge and allot of real time work to get competent in Eve.
What I'm against is CCPs new cash grab attempt by tempting players with purchasable SP, I personally feel that it is a way for players to indeed gain an (arguably a very small) advantage over other players that do not have the resources to do the same, if my understanding of this new feature is sound it would take a crazy amount of RL money to catch up to my lowest SP character so that I do not fear, what I fear is that this is a baby step in the direction of a full blown pay to win Eve online.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:47:42 -
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Chribba wrote:I've toyed with the idea of extracting tons of SP from my alts purely to inject them to me as the sp on my alts don't do any good (not that they do good on me either but you know... sp count)
/c
Chribba you been here for quite a long time and earned everything you have, including SP that's spread across your accounts, you are one of the very few players who gained my respect over the years so if you want to start trading SP to bolster one main more power too you, you have always received a free pass from me and always will, in my eyes you have done more good for Eve than most anybody else. o7
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:51:24 -
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Revenant Kane wrote:Alea wrote:Bruce Kemp wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears.
This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid.
I for one look forward to dining on space veal. ^^ This Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity. What Alea meant was... "Alone? noway that is to scary"
Like everybody who plays Eve fights fair, I'm not gonna lie if I'm "solo" roaming I always have a links and logi alt close by just like everybody else does..
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:04:00 -
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Thorian Baalnorn wrote:Alea wrote:This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler.
Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.?
Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null.
Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will.
Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Personally, i think you should stop being bitter and take advantage of new features such as injection in the game. I say you suck it up, stop being bitter, enjoy the game, and take advantage of the options presented to you.
There are quite a few days that I do indeed enjoy Eve, true I am bitter but I'm looking to rectify that.
Even if I wanted to trade my own SP to other characters it would do me no good, all the characters I use or have used is already at the levels they need to be, I now train junk skills as that's all that's left for them to train, I don't want to fly all races of everything or be able to manufacture everything but I'm training into them anyway because there is nothing left for them to do.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:07:19 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Why just shoot them...
... when you can take a trip to Huttaken (it's right next to Halaima), and write a Book of Truth about the need to have a Permit to inject skills into your brain, and then hire a bunch of "Followers" to run a nice extortion racket and make some money for yourself your non-profit organization named EDOC.
That sounds too much like CODE, I like to shoot stuff that can fight back which is strictly against CODE's code of conduct.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Paranoid Loyd
8289
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:09:36 -
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Alea wrote: There are quite a few days that I do indeed enjoy Eve, true I am bitter but I'm looking to rectify that.
Even if I wanted to trade my own SP to other characters it would do me no good, all the characters I use or have used is already at the levels they need to be, I now train junk skills as that's all that's left for them to train, I don't want to fly all races of everything or be able to manufacture everything but I'm training into them anyway because there is nothing left for them to do.
I haven't really come to a conclusion as to good or bad for the game, I tend to keep to the mentality that no matter how many SPs a pleb has, he will still be bad at the game. That being said based on this post, you should welcome the change as in theory you can now pull all those "pointless filler" SPs you have been training to get paid, then do something creative with those funds.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3983
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:19:32 -
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New player with a lot of bought SP and set in overconfidence mood, would be rather prone to making mistakes and choosing to fight the duel he should rather not choose.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:20:33 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Please OP, enough of the elitist claptrap. Attitudes like yours are the very reason this game has such a bad reputation and why it will forever be a minor niche player in the space/sci-fi MMO genre.
Also, post with your main since you apparently have such noble and high-minded ideals about how to play Eve the "right" and "honorable" way. Or are you just another blowhard hypocritical forum warrior vomiting your silly ideas all over the place? Put your isk where your mouth is.
I am not an elitist, well I don't feel that I am anyway, anybody who knows me in this game would say I'm more than fair, honest and very charitable.. What has brought me to this point is the idea of SP trading, I don't feel that is right for Eve, it's as simple as that.
I can't (won't) post with (any of) my main(s) as I could/would risk most everything that I have worked for in the past lotsa years, I resurrected this account about five or so years ago to forum whore for friends just starting out, she has no other use for me as she only has 4 or so mill SP.. No I will not be injecting SP into Alea as I don't need another useless character.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:23:44 -
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Avvy wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Please OP, enough of the elitist claptrap. Attitudes like yours are the very reason this game has such a bad reputation and why it will forever be a minor niche player in the space/sci-fi MMO genre.
Also, post with your main since you apparently have such noble and high-minded ideals about how to play Eve the "right" and "honorable" way. Or are you just another blowhard hypocritical forum warrior vomiting your silly ideas all over the place? Put your isk where your mouth is. I get a feeling the op is just trolling, especially as 'FEELER' was used at the end of the title. Probably trying to stir like minded people (if there are any) into some kind of action.
Trolling no, stirring yes, if there are a good number of like minded people I will make this a reality.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:26:37 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Alea wrote: myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection Alea wrote: I'm a mature older dude
Why can't mature older dudes get rustled jimmies.? Did I miss out on a memo on that subject some years back.!?
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:29:24 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark?
Me..?? no..
It is no secret that once my boy is old enough to play Eve I will be selling off all my mains to him so he sort of inherits all my everything.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:34:19 -
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Alea wrote: What I'm against is CCPs new cash grab attempt by tempting players with purchasable SP, I personally feel that it is a way for players to indeed gain an (arguably a very small) advantage over other players that do not have the resources to do the same, if my understanding of this new feature is sound it would take a crazy amount of RL money to catch up to my lowest SP character so that I do not fear, what I fear is that this is a baby step in the direction of a full blown pay to win Eve online.
EVE has been selling PLEX for years as you must know. It isn't really any different, it's still a paid for advantage. In fact I believe it was CCPs PLEX that inspired GW2s gem system.
I remember more people complaining about in-game shops items for sale and saying similar things to what you are if people buy them.
The fact is those numbers of people complaining have been considerably reduced over the years. As more and more MMOs do variations of selling items and in-game currency. The companies have realised that players will spend money on in-game items and CCP know that sp trading will make them more.
I've played about 11 MMOs, it sounds like you mainly played this one and if that is the case then I can understand where your reasoning is coming from. But the fact is you are a few years too late and the sort of tactics you are thinking about did not work.
CCP was quick enough with PLEX, but they've been dragging their heels on other potential cash making in-game ventures.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2352
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:37:21 -
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Alea wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark? Me..?? no.. It is no secret that once my boy is old enough to play Eve I will be selling off all my mains to him so he sort of inherits all my everything.
why would sell your stuff to your boy?
id rather ccp try and make additional money than go bust and if they can make some money this way then i don see the issue, plex and bazaar has been around for a llong time, i just hope they introduce name changes next
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:50:16 -
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Avvy wrote:Alea wrote: What I'm against is CCPs new cash grab attempt by tempting players with purchasable SP, I personally feel that it is a way for players to indeed gain an (arguably a very small) advantage over other players that do not have the resources to do the same, if my understanding of this new feature is sound it would take a crazy amount of RL money to catch up to my lowest SP character so that I do not fear, what I fear is that this is a baby step in the direction of a full blown pay to win Eve online.
EVE has been selling PLEX for years as you must know. It isn't really any different, it's still a paid for advantage. In fact I believe it was CCPs PLEX that inspired GW2s gem system. I remember more people complaining about in-game shops items for sale and saying similar things to what you are if people buy them. The fact is those numbers of people complaining have been considerably reduced over the years. As more and more MMOs do variations of selling items and in-game currency. The companies have realised that players will spend money on in-game items and CCP know that sp trading will make them more. I've played about 11 MMOs, it sounds like you mainly played this one and if that is the case then I can understand where your reasoning is coming from. But the fact is you are a few years too late and the sort of tactics you are thinking about did not work. CCP was quick enough with PLEX, but they've been dragging their heels on other potential cash making in-game ventures.
I have to admit I was completely against PLEX, but now I have a collection of it and have played for free almost form it's arrival, so it is true I could change my mind about SP trading but I doubt it.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Paranoid Loyd
8289
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:55:35 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Alea wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark? Me..?? no.. It is no secret that once my boy is old enough to play Eve I will be selling off all my mains to him so he sort of inherits all my everything. why would sell your stuff to your boy? Because it's technically against the EULA to just give it to him as that would be account sharing.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5695
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:56:49 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Couldn't care less Thank you. So rare: actually used the phrase correctly.
If you "can care less", then you must care some amount.
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:08:09 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Alea wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark? Me..?? no.. It is no secret that once my boy is old enough to play Eve I will be selling off all my mains to him so he sort of inherits all my everything. why would sell your stuff to your boy? id rather ccp try and make additional money than go bust and if they can make some money this way then i don see the issue, plex and bazaar has been around for a llong time, i just hope they introduce name changes next
CCP will make ISK from character transfer fees, it makes more sense to use what I already have instead of buying new.. Plus they hold sentimental value to me as I had most of them since 2003 to 2005, and he wants them as they are his daddies.
I would welcome name changes, as long as the old name is reflected in some sort of history like employments are.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7265
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:12:16 -
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I wonder if anybody will ever get ransomed for SP.
Just thinking out loud, but have not yet reviewed the mechanics and procedures around it (stuck in RL boring grownup stuff)
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
587
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Posted - 2016.01.29 02:06:54 -
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stg slate wrote:
wat?
Do you have your entire retirement fund in CCP stock? Because if the answer is no, then you need to unplug a bit, that level of obsession with a game is beyond unhealthy. We all like internet spaceships, but we don't worry ourselves sick and insomniatic over patches.
haha It's not that serious. I was only pointing out that I'm opposed to selling progression - hardcore opposed - but if it happens, of course I'll be buying sp like everyone else. I was angry for a couple days though ... after the shock and incredulity wore off.
All I know is that I hope players don't get buyer's remorse because there's no going back from this. Whatever game we have post-February-expansion will not be the same game we had pre-February expansion. This is not changing overview icons; this is changing one of the fundamental aspects of EVE Online... forever. I mean, if this doesn't get you riled up - it's difficult to imagine how there will ever be another monument shooting player revolt again. Ever. Our corporate overlords must view this complacency as free license to **** and pillage the countryside with reckless abandon. I know I would.
Oh, we've managed to get forum warriors arguing semantics. "This is not PTW." Well, technically, no. But only because you can't win EVE. It's pay to progress though and that's about as much winning as you can do in a game of linear progression. We've found a LOT of forum warriors dropping the tired "think of the noobs" argument. Something that's been debunked so many times, it's practically clich+¬ at this point. As if noobs will be able to afford this without paying $$. And we've managed to get forum warriors arguing that it's just like the character bazaar. Oh yea. Just like it. The game-breaking character bazaar that sold, what, 10-15 characters per day will now be delivered to every player - everywhere - so they can game-break nonstop without those pesky consequences like contract & employment histories. 100% similar.
Arguing to keep EVE progression linear was always going to be a near-impossibility.
From the moment this idea was proposed, sp-trading was a done deal. Feedback, my ***. It's the kind of thing you can't even suggest unless you plan to follow through.
"Hey kids, would you like this delicious candy? It's so tasty and yummy and you know you want it. Give us your feedback and we'll decide if you can have it. But mmmmm it's soo good."
Of course people are going to want it. If you suggest that new toons come with all frig skills or gunnery skills to 5, they'll want that too. If you suggest that we remove all lvl 5 skills entirely, somebody's def gonna want that. The point is that you can't even offer these kinds of bonuses unless they're being delivered.
I just don't want to see EVE become some PTW shell of the game we've all struggled to succeed in. That adversity is what endeared me to this game. I appreciate EVE because it's hard and because of my time invested and because of its complexity.
And if any of that's going to be made meaningless soon... It's just sad.
"But think of the nooooooooooooobs!!!"
C'est la vie. Nothing lasts forever and all things progress toward their ends. Whether sp-trading is a positive change remains to be seen - but good or bad, the future will undoubtedly be different.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
795
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Posted - 2016.01.29 04:36:07 -
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Miles Winter wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple.
Why stop there? Shoot the purple too.
I'd say, shoot them first. Then lock up the rest and grin creepily. Nothing better to scare the crap out of people than a way of saying, "You do know there are those who would eat their own children, right?"
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
55
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Posted - 2016.01.29 04:44:06 -
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hmmm...I liked that. Tell me. Do you do reach arounds?
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2016.01.29 04:48:06 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Miles Winter wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple.
Why stop there? Shoot the purple too. I'd say, shoot them first. Then lock up the rest and grin creepily. Nothing better to scare the crap out of people than a way of saying, "You do know there are those who would eat their own children, right?"
For educational purposes I would suggest X'ing up for a Spectre Fleet op and see what would happen, hopefully I'm partaking to witness what pursues afterwards.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2728
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Posted - 2016.01.29 04:53:37 -
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Upon giving it some thought I may actually consider buying some of these extractor/injector thingies for use upon myself. Siphoning off SP's that were spent on skills that I either never really used or never will use and reinjecting them to serve a viable purpose sounds somewhat attractive.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
207
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Posted - 2016.01.29 06:03:33 -
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Alea wrote:Who would want to hunt and kill players...
I stopped reading after this, the answer is "yes!" |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy ChaosTheory.
2407
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Posted - 2016.01.29 06:27:22 -
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I'll probably be taking SP from alts and putting them in mains. I am homeless =( |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
232
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Posted - 2016.01.29 06:31:16 -
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Judging from some of the replies, it appears a number of experienced players are looking at redistributing SP already acquired. Could make it interesting for the OP. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
613
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Posted - 2016.01.29 07:51:07 -
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Ive already started earmarking where I can benefit from such things on mains and alts. Theres really a plethora of situations where it will be VERY handy. And for those sitting on 80mil SP plus a skill injector will destroy more SP than it gives to the player. Its really not a bad situation for the integrity of SP.
In the example I posted previously of a 80mil SP toon gaining another 100mil SP youd have to harvest 333.5mil SP to do so. Thats a HUGE net SP loss. Now think of how many 5mil + toons will do so as everyone OVER 5mil SPs will create a net loss of SPs. You do the math and realize how many spare SP are going to be destroyed and how much MORE value YOUR precious puritan SP will contain and hold after this. This is like the Fed reserve destroying dollars and reversing inflation.
Imam: Have you heard anything I've said?
Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
Imam: That's right.
Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
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stg slate
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2016.01.29 08:02:16 -
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Yonis Kador wrote: All I know is that I hope players don't get buyer's remorse because there's no going back from this. Whatever game we have post-February-expansion will not be the same game we had pre-February expansion. This is not changing overview icons; this is changing one of the fundamental aspects of EVE Online... forever. I mean, if this doesn't get you riled up - it's difficult to imagine how there will ever be another monument shooting player revolt again. Ever. Our corporate overlords must view this complacency as free license to **** and pillage the countryside with reckless abandon. I know I would.
I've traditionally made my money by brokering characters, so I see no difference to be honest, other than being out of work.
You can generally find a never-been-out-of-station alt for sale that someone has been cooking for a few years with a week of looking around, so reputation doesn't mean squat. And when I started playing I spent 3 months grinding ISK in syndicate before buying my first toon, went from 3mil SP to 17mil SP; had I bought it using a GTC sale instead of grinding it would have been just as P2W.
The reason that no one is shooting monuments over this is because the majority of the player base doesn't have the idealized, romantic view of EVE that you seem to. The objective view without some sort of 'EVE is real'-colored glasses on is that this just simplifies an existing process, and makes it much more accessible.
Also, I wasn't kidding in my first post. Seriously if this sort of change has you physically ill and not sleeping you need to consider if your current level of involvement with the game is healthy. |
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