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Altair Taurus
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Posted - 2016.01.31 13:38:34 -
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Remember SP extractors/injectors are not meant to be some AURUM Store overpriced luxury goodies! |
Max Danger Power
New Pilots Evading Taxes
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Posted - 2016.02.01 02:51:37 -
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All in all, the injector prices will be determined by the people who sell them in the game, as every injector requires skill points that were extracted from a character. So, if CCP actually does sell these for AUR, they would be pumping SP into the game unless they bought them from a player character first. Otherwise, speculating the AUR or ISK value of one of these injectors by comparing it to PLEX cost is not a valid comparison, as it is the players that will ultimately dictate how much these injectors will be worth. So, that all depends how many injectors are being sold on the market and how many people are willing to put them. My guess is that it will be very expensive, at least for the start.
So, the real question is: How much will skill extractors cost? CCP will be introducing them into the game somehow, so it's all up to how many and which methods they will be distributed. If it's for AUR, they will likely be worth a ridiculous amount of ISK.
I have about 11 mil sp that I would like to extract and trade between my own toons.
My personal opinion is that they should have sold a respec for individual character use only, instead of making it so anyone with lots ofI SK could just roid up their toons with sp. As my main is a solo low sec pilot, and I don't plan on roiding up my pvp toon, this would ultimately make my PvP experience pretty crappy. However, I will now have 2 other toons that will be much more efficient at PvE content. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2016.02.01 07:36:24 -
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Max Danger Power wrote:All in all, the injector prices will be determined by the people who sell them in the game, as every injector requires skill points that were extracted from a character. So, if CCP actually does sell these for AUR, they would be pumping SP into the game unless they bought them from a player character first. Otherwise, speculating the AUR or ISK value of one of these injectors by comparing it to PLEX cost is not a valid comparison, as it is the players that will ultimately dictate how much these injectors will be worth. So, that all depends how many injectors are being sold on the market and how many people are willing to put them. My guess is that it will be very expensive, at least for the start.
So, the real question is: How much will skill extractors cost? CCP will be introducing them into the game somehow, so it's all up to how many and which methods they will be distributed. If it's for AUR, they will likely be worth a ridiculous amount of ISK.
I have about 11 mil sp that I would like to extract and trade between my own toons.
My personal opinion is that they should have sold a respec for individual character use only, instead of making it so anyone with lots ofI SK could just roid up their toons with sp. As my main is a solo low sec pilot, and I don't plan on roiding up my pvp toon, this would ultimately make my PvP experience pretty crappy. However, I will now have 2 other toons that will be much more efficient at PvE content.
Huh... we already know that extractors will be sold for AUR since CCP wants extra monies from EVE players. Hence the question on how much will CCP charge for those extractors.
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Tristan Agion
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.01 19:44:24 -
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My bet is about 100 AUR per skill extractor. But I'm not sure that single ones will be available at such prices. Instead I expect that there will be skill extractor packages, with built in discounts. If so, then there is not really a single price.
For example, I could see packages like this going up for sale:
5 skill extractors for 1,000 AUR. 10 skill extractors for 1,500 AUR. 20 skill extractors for 2,000 AUR.
It should also be mentioned that it's rather incoherent in terms of "lore" that skill extractors cost even that much. We can copy entire brains between bodies for less than 100,000 ISK, and we can upload specific skills via skill books for prices ranging from thousands to millions of ISK. I can see no good reason why extracting a skill should cost many times as much.
A more "lore-realistic" price would be around 10 AUR.
Furthermore, there really is no good "game internal" reason why this piece of tech should be available only trough their AUR store, whereas cloning and skill books are integral parts of the game. I suggest that skill extractors also should be available as rare drops in ghost sites (which are dedicated to research, supposedly), and perhaps available in LP stores from high tech NPC corps. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.02.01 20:07:03 -
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Max Danger Power wrote:So, the real question is: How much will skill extractors cost? CCP will be introducing them into the game somehow, so it's all up to how many and which methods they will be distributed. If it's for AUR, they will likely be worth a ridiculous amount of ISK. What's the thread title?
And AUR is how they will initially be purchased. That's kind of what the thread is about.
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Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.01 21:43:42 -
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1 extractor for 100-250 AUR, 5 for 475-600 AUR How much AURUM is Gé¼20,- or 1 PLEX? 15/20/25 extractors? Injectors on the market would probably be double the price or +50% of the extractor's cost?
Personally I hope it won't be terribly expensive Aurum wise to extract SP from my old main to this char. The fact that you'll lose extracted SP with injection is 'punishing' enough for this system, if you choose to use it.
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Altair Taurus
38
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Posted - 2016.02.01 22:47:35 -
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All this looks like gigantic blood transfusion! |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 13:37:33 -
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Jarsoom Blade wrote:How much AURUM is Gé¼20,- or 1 PLEX? 15/20/25 extractors? 3.5k methinks
Quote:Personally I hope it won't be terribly expensive Aurum wise to extract SP from my old main to this char. The fact that you'll lose extracted SP with injection is 'punishing' enough for this system, if you choose to use it. Considering this is supposed to help "newbies" (at least for marketing purposes - I don't think that's the actual reason) and people won't part with their SP for just change, it would be reasonable to make them fairly cheap. 100AUR-200AUR maybe. But we already know CCP have no notion of that word, it should surprise nobody if they came 1000AUR a pop or more.
Actually, I really hope they do at this point, and maybe the "Feature" will be dead on arrival. (one can hope, at least) |
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.02 14:25:17 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Considering this is supposed to help "newbies" (at least for marketing purposes - I don't think that's the actual reason) and people won't part with their SP for just change, it would be reasonable to make them fairly cheap. 100AUR-200AUR maybe. But we already know CCP have no notion of that word, it should surprise nobody if they came 1000AUR a pop or more.
Actually, I really hope they do at this point, and maybe the "Feature" will be dead on arrival. (one can hope, at least)
If the system will be affordable to use I would not have any problem with siphoning some SP from my old chars to the younger chars of some corpmates.
I kind of expect CCP to closely watch threads like these to get information about what players expect to pay for extractors and base a price off that information, since they haven't released a clue about pricing yet. On the other hand though, if discussions like this would not be used to a company's benefit and one extractor would cost around Gé¼10,- I wouldn't be surprised. If a character with 20-30 SP gets sold for 1bil (?), the extractors needed for the same amount of SP would be around that pricing aswell I assume (makes sense).
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2016.02.02 14:30:50 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Actually, I really hope they do at this point, and maybe the "Feature" will be dead on arrival. (one can hope, at least) Oh this is what we're left with now?
Teams v2?
it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players
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Altair Taurus
38
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Posted - 2016.02.02 14:40:57 -
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7-10 EUR for injector. |
Eternal Bob
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.02 15:22:11 -
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There's no reason why the extractors should be expensive. Anything over 500 AUR each would be laughable. If you want to siphon SP from one character to another you're already taking quite a hit in SP loss, assuming the recipient is over 5M SP. |
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.02 16:40:53 -
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Eternal Bob wrote:There's no reason why the extractors should be expensive. Anything over 500 AUR each would be laughable. If you want to siphon SP from one character to another you're already taking quite a hit in SP loss, assuming the recipient is over 5M SP.
You can only extract/inject if the char is at or above 5.5mil SP I've heard? I dunno if that's true. If so the highest amount of SP injectable per injector is 400k in general. I agree, that's quite a loss.
One PLEX or thirty days of SP is 1.879.200 SP (24 (hours) times 30 (days)= 720. 720 x 2610 (SP gained per hour)= 1.879.200 SP per PLEX/thirty days)
If you inject a char which has 50mil SP or less you'll lose 100k of the 500k extracted SP per injection. So if you want a month's worth of SP on a <50mil SP char you'll need at least 5 injectors (5 injectors = 2mil SP, 5x400k)
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2285
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Posted - 2016.02.02 18:28:45 -
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War Kitten wrote:What should it be? It should be a microtransaction. Micro meaning small. S. M. ALL - Small.
But this is CCP, so it will be at least 10x what it should be to be of any use to newbies, the so-called intended customers.
So I'm guessing a PLEX might buy you 2 of these things once it rolls out.
my guess would be a plex buys 2 completed skill packets. which would likely price the skill extractors around 200-300mil, no idea how much aur that is, I've never dealt in the stuff and have no plans to.
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Eternal Bob
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.02 19:18:30 -
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Jarsoom Blade wrote:Eternal Bob wrote:There's no reason why the extractors should be expensive. Anything over 500 AUR each would be laughable. If you want to siphon SP from one character to another you're already taking quite a hit in SP loss, assuming the recipient is over 5M SP. You can only extract/inject if the char is at or above 5.5mil SP I've heard? I dunno if that's true. If so the highest amount of SP injectable per injector is 400k in general. I agree, that's quite a loss. One PLEX or thirty days of SP is 1.879.200 SP (24 (hours) times 30 (days)= 720. 720 x 2610 (SP gained per hour)= 1.879.200 SP per PLEX/thirty days) If you inject a char which has 50mil SP or less you'll lose 100k of the 500k extracted SP per injection. So if you want a month's worth of SP on a <50mil SP char you'll need at least 5 injectors (5 injectors = 2mil SP, 5x400k)
You can only extract from a character with a minimum of 5,500,000 SP, but you can inject SP into a brand new character if you like. However, the amount of SP you receive from an injector depends on your SP: http://i.imgur.com/Ma3UDlV.png |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2016.02.02 21:30:14 -
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Got news for you all. Whether the extractors are $2.50, $5 or $10 you will buy them.
You will buy them with Aur, or you will buy them with isk but you will buy them.
You will buy them with joy or you will buy them with furious rage and many tears...but you WILL buy them. Hahahaha |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4574
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Posted - 2016.02.02 21:53:17 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:1 plex currently gets you what? About 1.5m sp (a months worth) through multiple character training? SP packets are 500k (lowest tier, 400k will be usual) so the absolute minimum would be 1/3 of a plex (as it gives 1/3 the sp), or 3 per plex. However, SP packets have 2 important advantages over multi char training. - This SP applies to a main, not just alts. - This SP applies instantly rather than having to wait for training There is one main disadvantage. - Rather than pulling sp from thin air as MCT does, it must extract it from someone else, adding to the final cost.
I agree with war kitten, I expect the price of just the extractors will be about half a plex, at least.
Seems a bit high unless people have a very high rate of time preference.
On the plus side though, a price this high might mean a very illiquid market.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4574
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Posted - 2016.02.02 21:54:47 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:Got news for you all. Whether the extractors are $2.50, $5 or $10 you will buy them. You will buy them with Aur, or you will buy them with isk but you will buy them. You will buy them with joy or you will buy them with furious rage and many tears...but you WILL buy them. Hahahaha
No, not necessarily. Most of my characters are fairly high in SP. I wont need an extractor nor an injector.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.02.02 22:02:37 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:Got news for you all. Whether the extractors are $2.50, $5 or $10 you will buy them. Nah, might use the ones I loot but will never buy them.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Altair Taurus
39
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Posted - 2016.02.02 23:44:28 -
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CCP - finally disclose this price!!! |
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2287
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Posted - 2016.02.03 00:34:26 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:Got news for you all. Whether the extractors are $2.50, $5 or $10 you will buy them. You will buy them with Aur, or you will buy them with isk but you will buy them. You will buy them with joy or you will buy them with furious rage and many tears...but you WILL buy them. Hahahaha No, not necessarily. Most of my characters are fairly high in SP. I wont need an extractor nor an injector. might buy an extractor to get rid of mining, and perhaps an injector to have enough SP to replace a t3 subsystem skill loss.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
798
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Posted - 2016.02.03 01:13:56 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:Got news for you all. Whether the extractors are $2.50, $5 or $10 you will buy them. You will buy them with Aur, or you will buy them with isk but you will buy them. You will buy them with joy or you will buy them with furious rage and many tears...but you WILL buy them. Hahahaha No, not necessarily. Most of my characters are fairly high in SP. I wont need an extractor nor an injector. might buy an extractor to get rid of mining, and perhaps an injector to have enough SP to replace a t3 subsystem skill loss.
Well, tourny players will have a stash of these for sure just for that reason. Also, keep in mind that to my understanding, an injector is spawned when the player uses the extractor, so depending on how things go you may only have to pay for the extractor anyways, unless you intend to "buy" SP rather than simply moving some of it around. Personally, I'm planning on doing the same thing as you to gut some unused and obsolete skills to tidy up things, only I'll either dump the injector juice someplace else useful or throw them on the market to get some ISK back.
And my vote is between 1/2 to a full PLEX in AUR. I don't think CCP will (or rather should) aim to overprice them since, unlike any of the purely cosmetic product of the past that people have already listed off as example, these actually have a functioning value in game and it would be detrimental to younger players -- the so-called target audience -- who might not have super rich wallets to make it so expensive that only older players can afford to use that service. Pants and ship SKIN's are one thing, they don't impact game play just because you have them or don't. Skill packets are a bit different since they effect a core game play system. Time will tell, I suppose.
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Dyllan Ma'tar
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
5
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Posted - 2016.02.03 01:27:17 -
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What I wish for and would make good horse sense? 500 AUR
What I expect and sounds like CCP sense? 1000 AUR
Nightmare Mode? 2500 AUR
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Tristan Agion
Viziam Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2016.02.03 10:58:34 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:Got news for you all. Whether the extractors are $2.50, $5 or $10 you will buy them. You will buy them with Aur, or you will buy them with isk but you will buy them. You will buy them with joy or you will buy them with furious rage and many tears...but you WILL buy them. Hahahaha The price will certainly determine the number of extractors I will buy. Even if this were the only consideration of CCP, how to milk most real cash out of the player base with this is not such an easy question to answer. I'm sure though that a very high price is not the best for that. Furthermore, even if one is totally cynic about CCP, it is far from clear that this is their only consideration. The game is very "top heavy", reducing this (depleting the mountain of SP that older players have heaped up) might be a major motivation for CCP. That will also translate into money, but down the line and by improved health of the game long term, not by direct sales of extractors now. |
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
31
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Posted - 2016.02.03 10:59:46 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:and perhaps an injector to have enough SP to replace a t3 subsystem skill loss. This
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stg slate
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.04 14:52:05 -
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This drops in under a week, and they haven't told us yet, so I'm guessing they are going to take the 'greed is good' approach and around 60% of a plex price per extractor. |
Thorian Baalnorn
Bad Influence I N G L O R I O U S
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:11:28 -
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Looking at it working backwards. Lets say a plex cost 1.3 bil isk and you can train 1.5 mil sp on an alt per month. The conversion would make each SP worth 867 isk. you will likely be able to get 20-40 extractors for the price of one plex(32.5 mil isk to 65 mil isk per extractor). Making them more expensive than this would make this a very seldom used item and way to expensive for a newb especially compared to buying characters.
Given the costs above each injector will cost on the market somewhere between 625 mil isk( 1250 isk/sp) and 1 billion isk( 2000 isk/sp). This would give the extracting player a profit of( at 65 mil isk value per extractor) 380 mil isk per month per alt at 1250 isk/SP or 1.5 bil isk per alt at 2000 isk/sp. I expect it to be around 2000 isk/sp for the first 6-12 months.
So my guess is you can get about 20-40 extractors for the price of a plex. And an injector will cost you 1250 -2000 isk/sp ( Going to say its going to level off around 1500-1600 isk/sp)
Anymore than this and the demand is going to be minimal.
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Kalgeroth
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:22:04 -
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Thorian Baalnorn wrote: Anymore than this and the demand is going to be minimal.
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stg slate
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:32:35 -
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Kalgeroth wrote:Thorian Baalnorn wrote: Anymore than this and the demand is going to be minimal.
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Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
31
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Posted - 2016.02.04 20:02:44 -
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Gudu FlyingSoul wrote:The players are giving too much information to CPP with their coments because the extractors have no value in themselves. From my point of view 5-8 dollars price is crazy and many players agree with those prices (oficial forums and reddit). If the extractor item is expensive, the objective of its implementation (improve and create content) will not be reached because most people could not afford.
First off, the extractors are expensive from your personal point of view as you've said, if they will be around 5-10 Euro/Dollars. That alone doesn't make the skill trading system's objective unreachable. In fact the implementation of the skill trading system regardless of cost already brings content; getting ISK for an extractor or injector, trading with people, socializing, helping others, etcetera. Also improvement as you've said, since before there wasn't a system like this and now there is. Regardless of if you can afford the extractor or injector, there is now the option to get SP outside of training time.
Second, "the players are giving too much information to CCP with their comments", this is childishly ridiculous. Us discussing this new feature is giving feedback to CCP. Feedback is great. If I were to be in CCP's shoes I'd much rather hear the players expectations and feedback on this new feature so I can deliver a product which my customers, players, are willing to purchase and support. What you're insinuating is that we keep our mouths shut and hope for the best, basically. That's not how it works.
Can't wait to hear about the pricing of the extractors in any case. When the price is released it will tell you if you have to go make some extra ISK for them, or drink fewer beers at the pub to buy aurum, if you're choosing to use the SP trading system (because you don't have to!).
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