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Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.01.28 16:41:34 -
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Are there any thoughts about adding HMD capabilities to regular Eve?
All the various space-spreadsheets could be spread over a much larger area and things like the space view could be in 3-D.
That seems much closer to what a capsuleer would actually experience while flying. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:16:57 -
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I'm confused, are you talking about Heavy Metal Detoxification or the Human Mortality Database?
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Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Ripoff Works
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:46:33 -
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Head mounted display. Basically he wants to play eve in vr.
Oculus rift and such |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:54:49 -
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Arden Elenduil wrote:Head mounted display. Basically he wants to play eve in vr.
Oculus rift and such
So why didn't he say so and use an acronym that is very uncommon.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:34:51 -
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elitatwo wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:Head mounted display. Basically he wants to play eve in vr.
Oculus rift and such So why didn't he say so and use an acronym that is very uncommon. im going to blame Ivy League
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:15:49 -
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What else would you call them? "Oculus rift and such" is like saying "VW Golf and such" when in fact, you mean a car. Who does that? HMD is not at all an uncommon term.
As for the suggestion at hand, though - I don't think there's much to be gained here. Eve is not a simulation or a shooter, so being able to look around with an HMD won't add much to the game. Sure, you could make the actual "in space view" smaller and put all the spreadsheets around it. But that's not much different from just putting the spreadsheets where you'd put them anyway and zooming out. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:07:24 -
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Neuntausend wrote:What else would you call them? "Oculus rift and such" is like saying "VW Golf and such" when in fact, you mean a car. Who does that? HMD is not at all an uncommon term.
As for the suggestion at hand, though - I don't think there's much to be gained here. Eve is not a simulation or a shooter, so being able to look around with an HMD won't add much to the game. Sure, you could make the actual "in space view" smaller and put all the spreadsheets around it. But that's not much different from just putting the spreadsheets where you'd put them anyway and zooming out.
With the new view mode option, it is possible they are thinking of adding this feature. |
Thorian Baalnorn
Bad Influence I N G L O R I O U S
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:18:36 -
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Neuntausend wrote:What else would you call them? "Oculus rift and such" is like saying "VW Golf and such" when in fact, you mean a car. Who does that? HMD is not at all an uncommon term.
As for the suggestion at hand, though - I don't think there's much to be gained here. Eve is not a simulation or a shooter, so being able to look around with an HMD won't add much to the game. Sure, you could make the actual "in space view" smaller and put all the spreadsheets around it. But that's not much different from just putting the spreadsheets where you'd put them anyway and zooming out.
Actually more people likely know it as HUD ( Heads Up Display)
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Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:58:43 -
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I figure Eve players are pretty smart and can figure out what HMD means with no more than a little hint from Google.
As to the "why" part I think there would be 2 advantages:
1) Even though Eve is largely played through menus many players (particularly FCs and scouts) use the space view to get a better understanding of ship positions and movement and for more precise control of their ship. If you could have the battle floating in front of you in 3-D and spin it around you could do all of the even better.
2) It would look awesome. |
Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:10:50 -
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Thorian Baalnorn wrote:Actually more people likely know it as HUD ( Heads Up Display)
That's something different.
A HUD is a display that lets the user view data without having to move their head. They don't need to be head mounted and usually aren't in 3-D. The military has been using them for decades on aircraft. It can be something as simple as a parallax free targeting sight. There are even cars that have them integrated into the windshields.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display
You could also combine the two. For example an Eve HUD might let you look around you in space but have an indicator with cap level follow your head around and always float in your field of vision. |
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Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:13:20 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I'm confused, are you talking about Heavy Metal Detoxification or the Human Mortality Database?
If someone were going to write their own killboard they should call it the Human Mortality Database. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.01.30 01:06:55 -
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Neuntausend wrote:What else would you call them? "Oculus rift and such" is like saying "VW Golf and such" when in fact, you mean a car. Who does that? HMD is not at all an uncommon term. I was thinking it might have been Heavy Maintenance Division before I looked it up. I figured Heapons of Mass Destruction wasn't it.
I'm pretty sure the brand Oculus Rift predates the popular use of the term Head-Mounted Display. What we called it back in my day is VR Goggles/ VR Helmet, or just simply VR (stands for Virtual Reality). Head-Mounted Display is a much more accurate term, but sadly is not the one we've been using for the past 40 years.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2016.01.30 01:32:35 -
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Marion Xadi wrote:I figure Eve players are pretty smart and can figure out what HMD means with no more than a little hint from Google.
As to the "why" part I think there would be 2 advantages:
1) Even though Eve is largely played through menus many players (particularly FCs and scouts) use the space view to get a better understanding of ship positions and movement and for more precise control of their ship. If you could have the battle floating in front of you in 3-D and spin it around you could do all of the even better.
2) It would look awesome.
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2. Is not a reason and even if your parents donate a new building, it won't happen.
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Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.01.30 06:16:35 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I'm pretty sure the brand Oculus Rift predates the popular use of the term Head-Mounted Display. What we called it back in my day is VR Goggles/ VR Helmet, or just simply VR (stands for Virtual Reality). Head-Mounted Display is a much more accurate term, but sadly is not the one we've been using for the past 40 years.
You're right about Oculus Rift predating the popular use of the term HMD but then again they made the concept popular. Before them most people didn't talk about that type of device one way or the other.
But among people who were talking about them, the term HMD goes back at least as far as 1960. http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~cohen/VirtualWorlds/media/pdf/Historical.color.pdf |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.01.30 09:09:41 -
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For the same reason as the last time this came up
Either it gives no benefit abs is just a gimmick in such case is not worth the Dev time
Or it gives an advantage and this would be bad add thus far ccp had done a good job making it so that what hardware a player can afford has a minimal impact on how well they can play the game
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Kyra Lee
Ixian Machines TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.31 08:07:51 -
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This sounds similar to the TrackIR thing that eve used to support. I think the cancelled support for it around the end of 2009 as it never really worked. The problem is that something like this may be super cool but the amount of people that would actually use it is so small CCP would not deem it financially sound. Now that I think about it, they might just do it... |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.01.31 09:42:43 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I'm confused, are you talking about Heavy Metal Detoxification or the Human Mortality Database?
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2016.01.31 17:11:13 -
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When these HMD, VR or what ever the hell you want to call them devices become standard equipment on ALL computers then we can talk about this. In the mean time this is in reality a way of paying real money to gain an advantage in the game and as Lugh Crow-Slave points out that would be a bad thing. I can afford to buy into this and I agree it would be amazing to have, but it would be unfair to those who cannot afford it.
And then there is the whole time wasted to re-write the entire games code from the ground up simply to make a gee wiz it would be nice feature available to a small percentage of the games players, no thanks I would rather they spend the time fixing things that are broken and completing the list of things to do. |
Wolfgang Jannesen
BRETHREN MOONS
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Posted - 2016.01.31 18:51:06 -
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Eve's gameplay doesn't lend itself to VR, this is a game you could play entirely with the overview if you had to. There's already a game in development by CCP for VR headsets. |
Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2016.01.31 21:46:57 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:-1
For the same reason as the last time this came up
Either it gives no benefit abs is just a gimmick in such case is not worth the Dev time
Or it gives an advantage and this would be bad add thus far ccp had done a good job making it so that what hardware a player can afford has a minimal impact on how well they can play the game
I disagree with this on both points.
1) Even if a feature does not give an advantage it may still be worth implementing if it makes the game more fun. Given how many people appreciate some of the beautiful effects CCP has added to the game (jump animations, skins, battle damage etc) it's not unreasonable to say that HMD would be an improvement just based on what it would look like.
2) Eve already supports and adds things which give a small advantage to players who are willing to spend some extra money on it. Do you have a higher resolution monitor? You can fit more ships on your overview. Do you have a better headset? You can hear your fleet comms more clearly. Do you have a better mouse? You can execute commands better. None of these are such a big advantage that most people would consider them pay to win. Likewise a VR view of the battlefield might give you slightly better situational awareness but it wouldn't be overwhelming. And most people expect the prices to come down fairly soon. |
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Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2016.01.31 21:49:57 -
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Kyra Lee wrote:This sounds similar to the TrackIR thing that eve used to support. I think the cancelled support for it around the end of 2009 as it never really worked. The problem is that something like this may be super cool but the amount of people that would actually use it is so small CCP would not deem it financially sound. Now that I think about it, they might just do it...
VR has come a long way since 2009. Most of the companies working on it seem to intend for their devices to be priced so that most gamers will have one (even if most gamers initially buy them for other games). |
Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2016.01.31 22:06:44 -
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Donnachadh wrote:-1
When these HMD, VR or what ever the hell you want to call them devices become standard equipment on ALL computers then we can talk about this. In the mean time this is in reality a way of paying real money to gain an advantage in the game and as Lugh Crow-Slave points out that would be a bad thing. I can afford to buy into this and I agree it would be amazing to have, but it would be unfair to those who cannot afford it.
And then there is the whole time wasted to re-write the entire games code from the ground up simply to make a gee wiz it would be nice feature available to a small percentage of the games players, no thanks I would rather they spend the time fixing things that are broken and completing the list of things to do.
No one is suggesting that CCP drop everything and start working on this right now. But given that the pre-orders of Oculus' absurdly expensive Rift sold out in 2 days and there are new competitors popping up all the time, I suspect that they will be widely adopted pretty soon.
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Marion Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2016.01.31 22:11:49 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Eve's gameplay doesn't lend itself to VR, this is a game you could play entirely with the overview if you had to. There's already a game in development by CCP for VR headsets.
If CCP made a terminal client for Eve it would be totally playable. But it wouldn't look as cool.
Just about anything that people use the space view for would work better and look nicer in VR. |
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