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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2016.01.31 07:25:30 -
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Pilots;
As we know, CONCORD tends to hold its cards very close to its chest indeed. However, given the months that have followed the disclosure of CONCORD's formation of a Drifter analysis committee, the Arataka Research Consortium is both directly and publicly petitioning Director Arve Vesren for a statement on the status of the committee, its findings, and any information or intelligence that may better enable us to understand and combat this novel threat.
The full text of the petition sent to Director Arve Vesren is as follows.
Petition concerning CONCORD Drifter committee wrote:Director Arve Vesren; CONCORD announced the formation of a committee to investigate and re-classify the Drifter threat on YC117.09.29. While we understand that such a committeeGÇÖs work may have far-reaching implications and so must be addressed carefully and cautiously, the Vigilant Tyrannos are not waiting. Very simply, the Arataka Research Consortium petitions you to publicly release such findings as you have, to enable the empires or the capsuleers to take stronger action in their defense, to stop the Drifter intrusions, or to act decisively against their facilities in uncharted systems. If, alternatively, CONCORD advises a policy of non-aggression or non-interference in matters involving the Vigilant Tyrannos, the Consortium likewise petitions for public disclosure of this policy and its basis, so that we may make an informed decision about our operations. We understand that the DED may have misgivings on a public disclosure, much more so given our unfortunate history. However, as the Amarr Empire continues to defend itself against Drifter attacks, as pilots continue to retrieve novel technologies from Drifter systems, and as the massive spatial anomaly continues to spin at the heart of Drifter hives, it seems dangerous to fail to utilize the resources available. In closing, pilots of the Consortium and its associate corporations continue to operate in defense against the Drifter in known and unknown space. We strongly believe that this is a necessary duty. We ask that CONCORD provide us with the knowledge necessary to more effectively continue in this duty. With regards, Naava Edios Phoenix Naval SystemsMorwen Lagann Tyrathlion InterstellarMakoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries, Ltd.Sara Valkyier Phoenix Naval Systemscc; Odo Hakaalen, Corporate Relations Director, Chief Executive Panel; Ohrud Omel, Grand Inquisitor, Ministry of Internal Order; Arraz Nomarya, Royal Commodore, Royal Khanid Navy.
Pilots who support this measure are invited to voice their support here, or to ask questions or raise concerns if relevant.
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morion
Lighting Build
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Posted - 2016.01.31 08:06:26 -
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Kaaeliaa
Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2016.01.31 08:38:17 -
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That CONCORD is actively choosing to keep the rest of New Eden in the dark about one of the most significant threats to the safety and security of every single person supposedly under their protection, seemingly just to spite capsuleers, speaks volumes about the self-interested fools in charge.
I support this petition in hopes that I'm wrong and that CONCORD's leadership will have me eating those words.
"Sometimes, I think that the surest sign of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1863
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Posted - 2016.01.31 08:48:01 -
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I support this petition, any new shreds of information about them can be useful.
Akrasjel Lanate
CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Matar Ronin
1413
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Posted - 2016.01.31 09:17:32 -
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I support this reasonable petition. We must transcend our political misgivings and openly share all available accurate information so that the best path forward can be charted for the betterment of humankind in New Eden.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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iyammarrok
Mining Company
412
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Posted - 2016.01.31 11:51:22 -
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Signed. -Idama Tertianus Rethelior
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
896
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Posted - 2016.01.31 12:32:31 -
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The Drifter threat is grave. Any and all findings that might assist us in defeating them should be released.
Signed.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
138
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Posted - 2016.01.31 12:39:41 -
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I strongly urge the DED to react mindfully in favor of the petition above.
Haria Haritimado Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Employment Profile: Haria Haritimado
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
317
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Posted - 2016.01.31 13:37:38 -
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Ruin has come to our cluster. Spacecrafts fare through it and we can't comprehend the technology they utilize. Head of empire gets assassinated and all we can do is watch in shock. This doesn't yet concern planetary population and I hope it stays that way. But here we are, a group of concerned independent capsuleers who want to help overcome this crisis. Capsuleers, help. I feel joy just typing these words together in one sentence.
I am being overly dramatic, but this is how it is.
Jaret Victorian, signed.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
893
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Posted - 2016.01.31 15:03:44 -
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Signed,
If there IS a threat they're omitting we shouldn't find out when its too late. We should know everything possible since we will probably be at the front lines, not them. |
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Sirlan Takahi
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
19
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Posted - 2016.01.31 15:05:24 -
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Having witnessed and fought the Drifter threat personally more than once, I hope the DED, CONCORD and all of New Eden take heed on the seriousness of this situation.
Signed. |
TomHorn
Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front
258
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Posted - 2016.01.31 15:36:43 -
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After your refusal to co-operate with the DED , in the handing over of Dr. Hilen Tukoss body , a petition from your organisation and colleagues is likely to be unsuccessful. I doubt they now see you as trusted partners.
It wasnt until the threat of being made outlaws, with a very high bounty on your head , with the threat of economic and political sanctions as well as CONCORD Assembly standings reviews against the following corporations, did you decide to co-operate.
né+ Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. [IKAME] né+ Revenent Defence Corperation [R.D.C] né+ Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque [SFRIM]
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/67333/1/DED_RELEASE_-_1170626-OR6645019921.pdf
Makoto, if you wish for the Arataka research consortium to have better relations with the DED maybe your corporation should step down from the group.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
690
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Posted - 2016.01.31 15:48:20 -
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Signed. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1893
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Posted - 2016.01.31 15:56:22 -
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There's far too much we don't know.
Signed. |
Skyweir Kinnison
Coldhammer Harvest LLC
176
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Posted - 2016.01.31 16:02:17 -
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Whilst one has to recognise that there may well be significant security implications of which we are unaware, there is clearly a need for more communication on this matter. I can entirely understand why CONCORD, and the Empire representatives therein, might distrust capsuleers and their corporations.
There must be useful information that can be released, however, so I would support this petition.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7981
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Posted - 2016.01.31 16:50:44 -
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TomHorn wrote:After your refusal to co-operate with the DED , in the handing over of Dr. Hilen Tukoss body , a petition from your organisation and colleagues is likely to be unsuccessful. I doubt they now see you as trusted partners. It wasnt until the threat of being made outlaws, with a very high bounty on your head , with the threat of economic and political sanctions as well as CONCORD Assembly standings reviews against the following corporations, did you decide to co-operate. né+ Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. [IKAME] né+ Revenent Defence Corperation [R.D.C] né+ Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque [SFRIM] http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/67333/1/DED_RELEASE_-_1170626-OR6645019921.pdf Makoto, if you wish for the Arataka research consortium to have better relations with the DED maybe your corporation should step down from the group.
Mr. Horn, I find it entertaining that a pilot flying with something called 'Provist Mujahideen' is advising me on matters involving outlaw status.
In brief, IKAME was never in possession of the biomass the DED was demanding; indeed, when pilot Scherezad offered to surrender all the equipment in her possession that was used for our analysis, that demand was rejected by the DED without comment. Only Lord Lucas Raholan had the ability to surrender the biomass, and ultimately he did. What I did had little influence on the outcome, which was attempt to find a way to come to a less hostile resolution.
Frankly, I consider the matter closed.
What's more, while perhaps the Consortium might have better relations where IKAME not involved, I would also contend that very few other corporations in the Cluster have the same wealth of experience with the Drifters. It would be disappointing in the extreme if CONCORD were to ignore our capabilities because of a diplomatic spat.
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Aedre Lafisques
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.01.31 17:20:30 -
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While I understand releasing information of this scale to the public at large is not usually a recommendable course of action, keeping a primary force in the dark about potentially relevant details does more harm than good at a stage where we may still have agency and leeway to address the future of this conflict. And if we don't, we should know that, too.
Given that the primary force courted for dealing with the Drifter Threat has been Capsuleers - at least, a lot of noise has come in our direction - and Capsuleers are essentially drawn from the general public at the whim of their genes rather than their station or security clearance, I would say this is a conundrum that the powers that be have brought on themselves. While we are immortal, throwing us repeatedly at the problem without reliable intelligence demands the lives of our crew-members and potentially our staff, and can cause a myriad of other complications that are not immediately obvious at the surface level. To maintain the appearance of concern, the powers that be should feel pressured to release a statement.
There aren't a lot of defensible ways to handle this situation other than to release what intelligence they have, come what may, and spin up positive Capsuleer involvement as much as possible. We should be willing to be paraded around if it helps our capabilities.
As for the origin of this petition, I don't think it really matters in such a case. And even if it did, I think the group in question had some reason to be resistant given history with Hilen Tukoss and the project, and it is relevant to remember they were amenable to the authorities essentially immediately. There was only one holdout and it would be worrying if everyone was so unable to expect reasonable communication with the authorities as TomHorn is suggesting. Instead of a dialogue, they received a threat. If anything, this instance makes the authorities look worse than the perpetrators, so I'm not sure it's effective slander against this rather straight-forward petition.
I believe the effort to reclaim Tukoss' body was a rushed job and should have been handled more covertly. The offer of such a ludicrous bounty drew more attention to the situation than was ideal, and served no purpose other than to secure the assets at the expense of trust among crucial allies and potentially damaging press (though it would appear the subsequent spin has been somewhat successful given the comments in this thread). More importantly, I'm not particularly encouraged that the powers that be are prone to panic in such essential situations, and they owe us affirmative action if for no other reason than to repair a still-damaged reputation in this regard. It is not enough to blacken the enemy alone. Even a well placed lie would still be more responsible than silence, my own feelings aside.
Signed.
It is entirely fair and usual to demand a deadline on a external investigation. It is entirely odd such a deadline was not announced concurrently. The committee should not have been announced publicly if no working paper or report was forthcoming in a useful time-frame. The powers that be are not making themselves look efficient - Is it up to us to take control of this situation with what little infrastructure we have? Essentially continue as we have been? When we are the only ones willing to publish information, researched by ours and put into public forum, it is Capsuleers who win the support of a fearful public, and that of wary Capsuleers with less expertise. That is a dangerous power to just hand us.
If the Empires and their consortiums, the traditional powers, keep undercutting themselves, they could lose the critical support they need. It is not far-fetched to say that their behaviour indicates they are not taking the threat that the Drifters pose to our way of life seriously. It may be telling in its own right.
I would be on board if they could start turning this around, but they have been exclusively alienating in their dealings with our group, despite being co-conspirators to our creation. It would be painfully easy to lie to us and make this easy. The question everyone involved is forced to ask now is why not. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
895
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Posted - 2016.01.31 17:20:38 -
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TomHorn wrote:After your refusal to co-operate with the DED , in the handing over of Dr. Hilen Tukoss body , a petition from your organisation and colleagues is likely to be unsuccessful. I doubt they now see you as trusted partners. It wasnt until the threat of being made outlaws, with a very high bounty on your head , with the threat of economic and political sanctions as well as CONCORD Assembly standings reviews against the following corporations, did you decide to co-operate. né+ Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. [IKAME] né+ Revenent Defence Corperation [R.D.C] né+ Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque [SFRIM] http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/67333/1/DED_RELEASE_-_1170626-OR6645019921.pdf Makoto, if you wish for the Arataka research consortium to have better relations with the DED maybe your corporation should step down from the group. Even if what your saying was fully true (Makoto debunked it pretty well) what came of the whole thing? Bounties were dropped, no status hit was received to my knowledge. From the looks of it it was seen as a misunderstanding. Judging by the events that took place after the initial event it seems that's the best thing to call it. |
Naoko Kanaka
Tyrathlion Interstellar
12
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Posted - 2016.01.31 17:50:18 -
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As others have noted, the only individual who outright refused the DED's demands (and, furthermore, was even able to do anything about it one way or another) is neither included in the list of this petition's original signatories nor has he posted his support to this petition yet.
Over the last several months working with the Arataka Research Consortium, I've helped lead fleets of otherwise unaffiliated capsuleers into the Drifters' supposed sanctuaries over and over. I've worked with my peers to develop different methods to combat the Drifters in a wide variety of situations. We go out there time after time, risking thousands of crew members, each of whom eagerly signed up because they shared our view of the situation: the Drifters are a serious threat that we must understand and learn to defend against.
Sitting on one's thumbs will accomplish neither of those goals, and as such, these feeble attempts at nay-saying and holding Priano-haani and IKAME to the coals over an old, tired, and most importantly, peacefully resolved incident should be regarded as little more than the petty continuation of a nonsensical smear campaign most here have come to expect from the few remaining Provist capsuleers, and summarily ignored.
Some capsuleers are not the monsters the media likes to make us out to be, disrupting lives and destroying everything we touch. Some of us would rather use our gift - or curse, perhaps - to help and defend people when they cannot do so themselves.
The Arataka Research Consortium represents the latter of those two groups. And thus it will have my continued support.
Signed. Naoko Kanaka |
Kador Ouryon
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
101
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Posted - 2016.01.31 20:23:09 -
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Signed. |
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
19225
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Posted - 2016.01.31 20:40:52 -
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Though these sorts of petitions are rarely fruitful, I must agree.
Since the start of these events, close to a year-and-a-half ago, the only things we have learned of the Vigilant Tyrannos forces and their objectives have been what we ourselves have discovered or hypothesized (exempting the titles of the Drifters and the SCOPE's courageous release of Hilen Tukoss's broadcast).
This strange force has: Entered known-space suddenly and with no fanfare or opposition Is constantly linking to and analyzing systems of the cluster unobstructed Is literally dismantling what have been revealed as Directorate Observatory Posts, advanced Jove technology (though their advancement compared to the Sleepers and Drifters is questionable), for an unknown purpose Have seemingly encroached on gargantuan Sleeper complexes in Anoikis Destroyed Doctor Tukoss in the Hive room of the "Redoubt" complex (and though he certainly died, his current state is questionable) Killed Empress Jamyl in a violent headshot attack in Safizon Have begun their own incursions into known space
And yet, we have had nothing but silence. Mind, I am not denouncing CONCORD. Their organization is necessary in order to keep things in check in Empire space (as we all know, or may be, pilots who do not abide by "the rules"), but their absolute silence on the Drifters is more than distressing: it's dangerous. Without knowing what we are facing, how will we deal with situations to come? If the Drifters are as much a threat as they seem, then we must learn all we can of them. As someone who remains deeply invested in uncovering the mysteries of the Drifters, a group which seems to be the culmination of all of the mysteries and possibilities surrounding the Jove and Sleepers, Anoikis, and possibly the cluster's past as a whole, I agree with the message of this petition.
Signed
/Uriel
"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
GPƒUriel for CSM XI!
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Silver Night
The Foundation for Cooperation and Prosperity
6
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Posted - 2016.01.31 20:51:03 -
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While I usually avoid the IGS, I found that this required an exception. Signed. |
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle
480
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Posted - 2016.01.31 21:26:17 -
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Consider this my signing of said petition.
We travel in the dark of the new moon,
A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1087
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Posted - 2016.02.01 01:34:12 -
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I think this is one of the situations where sharing information earlier than later may be beneficial in the long run. Signed.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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darkezero
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
18
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Posted - 2016.02.01 01:35:19 -
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I support the initiative, but only expect CONCORD to provide no reaction
Signed. |
Montgomery Black
Exit-Strategy Exit Strategy..
96
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Posted - 2016.02.01 01:44:11 -
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Signed. |
Onyx Aurelius
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2016.02.01 02:09:55 -
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There are fewer things scarier than watching one of the largest ships in all of new Eden get volleyed off the field by what was, at the time, and still is, an unknown force of ships.
Yet that is what many of us, as Amarrians, and as capsuleers, witnessed at Safizon with the destruction of the Former Empress's Avatar class titan.
As a member of several of Consortium's operations into the Drifter Sanctuaries i can say without any doubt that we are dealing with a entity of immense power, not only in their ability to destroy practically any ship in New Eden with a single blow, but in their ability to build and seemingly maintain vast structures of what is currently unknown purpose.
To maintain an information blackout on the topic of this threat is an insult, not only to the Amarr empire, who are dealing with brunt of the issue at hand, but to the cluster in general! What happens if the drifters decide they want to head into other empire space, what then? As of this moment the collective "we" of both the consortium and other involved parties are working with nothing more than bare bones information scraped together by observation and testing. We need the support of concord, if not in ships and materials, then at least in sharing information so we're all on the same page, because at the end of the day it will most likely be capsuleers who will be fighting on the front lines of this fight, we will be the ones who face this threat.
Then again it may be that Concord and the DED have no new or relevant information, simply because they would rather ignore the issue at hand rather than even attempt deal with such a powerful enemy.
Signed, both as an insulted Amarrian, and a capsuleer who would rather lose a hundred ships than see the drifters take even one system in the New Eden cluster. |
Michael Pawlicki
R3d Fire
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Posted - 2016.02.01 02:13:06 -
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Having participated in some of IKAMEs "Hive" operations, and several months of communicating through back-channels, I gladly voice my opinion on this, and urge the DED to give a response given the devastation that has swpt through the Amarrian armed forces as a result of this force.
Signed, Michael Pawlicki, Imperial Petty Officer 1st Class |
Ace Lapointe
Duty. Mighty Wings.
33
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Posted - 2016.02.01 02:32:06 -
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Saisieni Mrs. Makoto Prian,
While I do not believe that we, Capsuleers, have any right to ask of anything from CONCORD or any of the Empires, seeing as we are nothing but tools and weapons of the Empires, at least, that was our intended role, I do beleive that we might be the only thing that can combat the Drifters, seeings as Mankind must constantly wage war over some pointless issue, and because of this I lend you my support, perhaps if CONCORD would allow us access to that information, we could mount more effective counter attacks, maybe even use that information to try and see if there is a pattern to their attacks that we missed, any information would help us, though I believe it may take a while for CONCORD to see that we are more of an asset then a liability when faced by these kind of threats, so let us hope that they consider this petition, and thank you for being among the first to bring this to light. Consider this my signature.
By His divine light, freedom shall prevail.
Regards, Ace Lapointe, Pirate-knight of Ishomilken |
Korsavius
Relentless Terrorism Separatists
272
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Posted - 2016.02.01 02:44:06 -
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Signed. |
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