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Eve Skystorm
Evernity
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:14:48 -
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It is clear to me that you can access NPCs depending on your faction standing, but some other scenarios aren't that clear for me yet.
Can you gain access to NPC level 2/3/4 ...
... based on your standing towards their corporation? Which means that if your faction standing decrease but you have standing towards that corp, you won't loose access. (standing towards that corp decrease as well?)
.... based on your individual standing towards each NPC ?
(I guess there may be other restrictions like not being allowed to dock.) |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
744
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Posted - 2016.02.04 11:46:39 -
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You access to missions depends on a combination of Faction, Corp and Agent standings.
So long as your AGENT standings is above -2 he will talk to you.
You can use EITHER your Faction or Corp standings (Amarr or Imperial Shipping respectively as an example) to access missions so long as the other one is above -2. You need a specific level of standing to access specific levels of missions. 1 for lv1, 2 for lv2, 3 for lv3, 5 for lv4 and not 100% sure for lv5.
If you're using faction standing you can access missions from any corp belonging to that faction. If you are using corp standings you can only get missions from that corp. There's some more specific case info in my sig link. Also google 'The Plan' or 'Standings Plan' for more info.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
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Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
119
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:06:37 -
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7 for lvl5 |
Aoi Litvyak
Random inactiva corporation
4
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Posted - 2016.02.04 12:42:27 -
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When you get high faction standings (6+) you can just outright decline all missions of any kind against other factions or lowsec ones you dont want to do, The faction penalty of declining them is minimal so you cant lose access to the agent.
Its never worth ruining standings with other factions for a handful of isk. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
739
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:44:28 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:You access to missions depends on a combination of Faction, Corp and Agent standings.
So long as your AGENT standings is above -2 he will talk to you.
You can use EITHER your Faction or Corp standings (Amarr or Imperial Shipping respectively as an example) to access missions so long as the other one is above -2. You need a specific level of standing to access specific levels of missions. 1 for lv1, 2 for lv2, 3 for lv3, 5 for lv4 and not 100% sure for lv5.
If you're using faction standing you can access missions from any corp belonging to that faction. If you are using corp standings you can only get missions from that corp. There's some more specific case info in my sig link. Also google 'The Plan' or 'Standings Plan' for more info. It might just be me in my current state of mind but some of this seems like it could be a little confusing so.
You can access agents in an NPC corp like Imperial shipping in the quote above based on 2 different standings.
Your character standing to the NPC corp will give you access to all level appropriate agents in that NPC corp only.
Your characters faction standing will give you access to all level appropriate agents from all NPC within that faction.
Actually the -2 standings restriction really does not apply. Even with derived standings of -10 you can still access ALL level 1 agents in the entire game, this is done specifically so there is always a way to rebuild your standings no matter how bad they get. Source of the information |
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
119
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:07:30 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:You access to missions depends on a combination of Faction, Corp and Agent standings.
So long as your AGENT standings is above -2 he will talk to you.
You can use EITHER your Faction or Corp standings (Amarr or Imperial Shipping respectively as an example) to access missions so long as the other one is above -2. You need a specific level of standing to access specific levels of missions. 1 for lv1, 2 for lv2, 3 for lv3, 5 for lv4 and not 100% sure for lv5.
If you're using faction standing you can access missions from any corp belonging to that faction. If you are using corp standings you can only get missions from that corp. There's some more specific case info in my sig link. Also google 'The Plan' or 'Standings Plan' for more info. It might just be me in my current state of mind but some of this seems like it could be a little confusing so. You can access agents in an NPC corp like Imperial shipping in the quote above based on 2 different standings. Your character standing to the NPC corp will give you access to all level appropriate agents in that NPC corp only. Your characters faction standing will give you access to all level appropriate agents from all NPC within that faction. Actually the -2 standings restriction really does not apply. Even with derived standings of -10 you can still access ALL level 1 agents in the entire game, this is done specifically so there is always a way to rebuild your standings no matter how bad they get. Source of the information
She talked about agent standing. If you have below -2, an agent wont talk
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
850
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:45:37 -
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afaik L1 agents will talk to you even if your standing towards them personally is less than -2. |
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
119
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:49:27 -
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Quote:Warning: If Faction and or Corporation standing drops to -2.0 or lower, higher level Agents will no longer be available. Level 1 Agents are always available regardless of Faction / Corporation standings. If the Agent standing drops to -2.00 or lower, that specific Agent will no longer be available. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
850
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Posted - 2016.02.04 20:15:07 -
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Ah. Learn summin new erry day! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1877
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Posted - 2016.02.05 04:41:24 -
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If an agent drops below -2 you need to do something funky like fleet up with a corp mate that is running missions with them to fix it.
Broken agents can be a PITA |
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
747
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Posted - 2016.02.05 04:46:46 -
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The problem with having faction standing below -2 is that the local police shoot you on sight depending on the security level of the system you're in. Makes running missions... difficult but there are ways around it.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1890
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Posted - 2016.02.05 04:51:45 -
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Are you sure on that one? I have a character that's -4.?? to Amarr and goes there all the time with no issues. I think security status starts penalizing at -2 though. |
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
120
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Posted - 2016.02.05 05:27:02 -
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At -5 or below local police will shoot |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
90
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Posted - 2016.02.05 09:35:20 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:You access to missions depends on a combination of Faction, Corp and Agent standings.
So long as your AGENT standings is above -2 he will talk to you.
You can use EITHER your Faction or Corp standings (Amarr or Imperial Shipping respectively as an example) to access missions so long as the other one is above -2. You need a specific level of standing to access specific levels of missions. 1 for lv1, 2 for lv2, 3 for lv3, 5 for lv4 and not 100% sure for lv5.
If you're using faction standing you can access missions from any corp belonging to that faction. If you are using corp standings you can only get missions from that corp. There's some more specific case info in my sig link. Also google 'The Plan' or 'Standings Plan' for more info.
Also not quite accurate. Required standings are -2 for lvl 1's, and 1 for 2's, |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
746
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Posted - 2016.02.11 15:00:06 -
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Mr Mac wrote:Quote:If the Agent standing drops to -2.00 or lower, that specific Agent will no longer be available. And this is essentially irrelevant because there are only three ways for your standings toward an agent to go down. Declining more than one mission every 4 hours from that agent. Accepting a mission and not completing it within the required time, which for most missions is 7 days. Accepting a mission and then quitting that mission.
While it is technically possible to lower your standings towards an agent to the point where they will not talk to you the simple reality is that you would have to make the decision and do things specifically to lower your standings to accomplish it. In the normal course of a player trying to increase standings to get to higher level agents it is a virtual impossibility to get a -2 personal standing for any one single agent. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
746
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Posted - 2016.02.11 15:20:30 -
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Mr Mac wrote:Quote:Warning: If Faction and or Corporation standing drops to -2.0 or lower, higher level Agents will no longer be available. Level 1 Agents are always available regardless of Faction / Corporation standings. If the Agent standing drops to -2.00 or lower, that specific Agent will no longer be available. For all practical purposes the -2 standing limit does not exist because there are only three ways to cause your personal standings towards an agent to drop. Declining more than one mission every 4 hours. Accepting a mission and not completing before the timer runs out, usually 7 days. Accepting a mission and then quitting.
In fact for all agents level 2 or higher it is a physical impossibility to get your standings towards them to a -2 since they will stop giving you mission long before you reach that limit.
All of this means that the only characters in game that would ever have to worry about the -2 standing are those working with a level 1 agent and even then you would have to make a conscious decision and expend some considerable effort to do this. Or perhaps have no clue how the game of EvE works and never bother to read or learn anything about it.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4953
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Posted - 2016.02.11 15:46:41 -
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Actually, you can put L4 agent standings below -2 simply by repeatedly declining missions. I know this for a fact as I destroyed them to the point where I had to piggyback off two other toons to repair them. I don't recall what the exact number was, but it was something like -2.16.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1897
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Posted - 2016.02.11 21:55:08 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Mr Mac wrote:Quote:Warning: If Faction and or Corporation standing drops to -2.0 or lower, higher level Agents will no longer be available. Level 1 Agents are always available regardless of Faction / Corporation standings. If the Agent standing drops to -2.00 or lower, that specific Agent will no longer be available. For all practical purposes the -2 standing limit does not exist because there are only three ways to cause your personal standings towards an agent to drop. Declining more than one mission every 4 hours. Accepting a mission and not completing before the timer runs out, usually 7 days. Accepting a mission and then quitting. In fact for all agents level 2 or higher it is a physical impossibility to get your standings towards them to a -2 since they will stop giving you mission long before you reach that limit. All of this means that the only characters in game that would ever have to worry about the -2 standing are those working with a level 1 agent and even then you would have to make a conscious decision and expend some considerable effort to do this. Or perhaps have no clue how the game of EvE works and never bother to read or learn anything about it.
If this were true people would be declining absolutely everything except burners and making ludicrous ISK. |
Jajuka Cirim
21
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Posted - 2016.02.11 22:36:14 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:Also not quite accurate. Required standings are -2 for lvl 1's, and 1 for 2's, This is almost in line with the standings formula if we account for ranges and rounding:
((Agent Level) * 2) - 3
1 * 2 - 3 = --1 (-1.99 to +0.99) 2 * 2 - 3 = +1 (+1.01 to +2.99) 3 * 2 - 3 = +3 (+3.01 to +4.99) 4 * 2 - 3 = +5 (+5.01 to +6.99) 5 * 2 - 3 = +7 (+7.01)
Using two decimal point for clarity, as a frequent question in help chat is "I have X.0 standing why won't the agent talk to me?" The answer is the UI is only showing rounding to one decimal, and the agent is calculating two. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
748
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Posted - 2016.02.12 13:47:07 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Donnachadh wrote:Mr Mac wrote:Quote:Warning: If Faction and or Corporation standing drops to -2.0 or lower, higher level Agents will no longer be available. Level 1 Agents are always available regardless of Faction / Corporation standings. If the Agent standing drops to -2.00 or lower, that specific Agent will no longer be available. For all practical purposes the -2 standing limit does not exist because there are only three ways to cause your personal standings towards an agent to drop. Declining more than one mission every 4 hours. Accepting a mission and not completing before the timer runs out, usually 7 days. Accepting a mission and then quitting. In fact for all agents level 2 or higher it is a physical impossibility to get your standings towards them to a -2 since they will stop giving you mission long before you reach that limit. All of this means that the only characters in game that would ever have to worry about the -2 standing are those working with a level 1 agent and even then you would have to make a conscious decision and expend some considerable effort to do this. Or perhaps have no clue how the game of EvE works and never bother to read or learn anything about it. If this were true people would be declining absolutely everything except burners and making ludicrous ISK. They can do this, but not for long because by doing so they are consciously making the decision to destroy their personal standings with that agent by continuously declining more than one mission every four hours. If they wait out the four hour timer then in the long term they would make more ISK by simply running every mission that was offered.
Moving on. A friend pointed out a small omission, there is one way that a character could run into the -2 standings problem no matter what level missions they are running and I wonder if this is what caught Arthur.
If you had access to an agent (say a level 4 for example) based on your faction standings your personal standings when you first approached that agent would be 0.0. You could then fairly quickly lower your personal standings to -2 but again as I stated above it would be a conscious decision for that to happen. So even though I have to admit to missing a possible way that a character could run into the -2 problem the basics of my last post still hold true. in order to run into the -2 access issue you have to make a conscious decision to destroy your standings toward that agent to get there. |
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