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Walter Pryst
Mediocracy
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Posted - 2016.02.06 13:46:30 -
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I'm curious what other PVP advice people have seen given that falls into this category. I'd like to start with the two below, which I feel are often said, but rarely understood.
"Passive aligning doesn't work" / "passive aligning does work": This one is interesting because you see people throwing this advice in both directions. While the core idea behind passive alignment at places like gates is in fact invalid (it takes you the same time to align any direction from a dead stop), it's not true that warp-to choice is irrelevant. Especially in cases of gate camps, picking the celestial that puts you on a warp path away from the gate/hang does help avoid being caught.
"Always overheat at the beginning of the fight. You don't wait until you are losing to throw your hardest punch": The base of this advice is that overheating earlier means it's less likely you die before you run out of heat to use. The piece here the vexes me is that it's pushed as a "overheat immediately" which often is wrong, especially for guns. Range and tracking mean that your first few shots are often misses or low hits. Overheating as soon as you are in optimal and tracking makes sense, but don't waste heat on poor shots.
You can call me Walt
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SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2016.02.06 15:11:05 -
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You have to be at your keyboard to win.
I am usually afk camping FW pklex when I die. But whoever kills me hits a gate camp within 10 minutes and the kill counts for me. Since their ship is uaually 100 times the value of mine. its an economic victory. |
Oreb Wing
Black Fox Marauders
150
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Posted - 2016.02.06 19:40:01 -
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SeaSaw wrote:You have to be at your keyboard to win.
I am usually afk camping FW pklex when I die. But whoever kills me hits a gate camp within 10 minutes and the kill counts for me. Since their ship is uaually 100 times the value of mine. its an economic victory.
There's another one! Anyone changing systems will no longer maintain aggression list for killmails, though the limited engagement windows will remain in effect. If they make it out of system or dock, whoever applied their dmg will not show up; even if they have 5 remaining hull and someone accidentally sneezes in their direction, this pilot will have killing blow and would be the only one on the killmail, with no explanation as to where the rest of the remaining presumed EHP may have gone.
There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom.
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
364
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:52:59 -
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Myth- large fleet PvP is all fleet warps and mashing F1.
Reality- Fleets are made up of individual roles and the larger the fleet, often the more freedom you have to operate within the fleet. With a large fleet, there may be entire wings for EWAR, tackle, and scouting support. Because CCP's mechanics favor alpha strike- there is some truth to the 'everyone hit F1' idea, but that is only the DPS component of PvP. But because you have a large fleet, you can fly a supporting role, or even a special snowflake.
Myth- There is some preset minimum SP or experience to even get into PvP.
Reality- Most PvP oriented corps/alliances love new players. It's easy to guide new players in terms of skills and fitting advice. It's easy to hand out skill books and even fitted ships to new players. Most serious low/null sec alliances will offer an SRP, making PvP essentially free. The larger ones, like The Imperium that I am a member of, have entire fleet doctrines just for low SP players, free ships, and training fleets covering all aspects of PvP (and PvE for that matter). |
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
870
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Posted - 2016.02.13 20:35:03 -
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Bad Messenger never undock |
Chameleopardis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.02.13 21:09:53 -
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1) Pro PVP pilot has x amount of SP 2) No other myths
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Chameleopardis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.02.13 21:10:55 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Bad Messenger never undock Hows that lithium? |
Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
918
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Posted - 2016.02.14 05:22:37 -
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There are alot of myths and misunderstandings regarding the 'hand off' method. There are many other names for this but it is basically shooting someone who is neutral on a gate or station in lowsec which triggers sentry guns and then immediately warping off and warping back to prevent sentry fire when engaging the target again. This actually is alot more complex than it seems and I figured it would be useful to talk about.
1. How long it lasts Now this is something I'm not completely sure about, but many of my friends say that it lasts for 15 minutes, I've never actually timed it but it definitely lasts longer than a limited engagement timer so 15 minutes makes sense since that's the duration of a suspect timer. No actual timer appears but it works the same as other combat timers in regards to the the timer being renewed if you continue aggressing the target.
2. Handing off on multiple targets I'm pretty certain about this one, you can only 'hand off' on the first person that you triggered the sentries to shoot you. For example, if you shoot 3 different neutral ships on gate then warp off and come back, you will only be immune to sentries on the person you shot first, the other 2 pilots will cause sentries to resume fire if you were to aggress them.
3. Failed attempts Now this is more of a buggy feature of sentries in general, some people say that you actually have to soak up a shot from the sentries to perform a proper hand off. However I've found this isn't true, rather the sentries can be buggy and immediately resume fire on you when you warp back despite you warping far enough away from the sentries that the stopped shooting you.
4. Multiple systems Once a successful hand off is done, the 'timer' lasts through multiple systems despite no actual timer being shown. Therefore you still retain your ability to engage the neutral that you handed off on without taking sentry fire despite jumping into a different system.
5. Handing off on station/gates Funnily enough you can actually hand off on a station/gate through this method. Upon warping back you can freely aggress the station or gate without sentry fire but in practice this is basically useless as it doesn't prevent you from taking sentry fire from aggressing neutrals despite having handed off on the station/gate.
6. Highsec? Now this requires someone else to test, I've been a red flashy pirate for the past 2+ years so I can't really chase targets that I've handed off on into highsec. However assuming you are only suspect and not full blown outlaw, I'm curious if you can actually freely aggress a target you've handed off on in lowsec, in highsec.
There might be some other myths about this technique that need to be cleared up but I'm interested to see what else people know or don't know about handing off. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3498
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Posted - 2016.02.14 05:51:46 -
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"Passive aligning doesn't work" / "passive aligning does work":
because there is confusion about what passive aligning actually means. Some use the word to describe where your ship is pointing at. even if you stand still, others use active aligning for propmod + align and passive for align without propmod.
two very different meanings of the same word. (and yes if your speed is 0 you will accelerate in any direction equally)
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
292
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Posted - 2016.02.18 07:52:07 -
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Dato Koppla wrote: 1. How long it lasts Now this is something I'm not completely sure about, but many of my friends say that it lasts for 15 minutes, I've never actually timed it but it definitely lasts longer than a limited engagement timer so 15 minutes makes sense since that's the duration of a suspect timer. No actual timer appears but it works the same as other combat timers in regards to the the timer being renewed if you continue aggressing the target.
Yeah not sure about this one either.
Just something about me...
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