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Vaslav Tchitcherine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 10:18:00 -
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The recent number of threads discussing Fractionist actions and ideology has caused an increase in the use of certain words that, while fundamental to our philosophy, are nonetheless not a part of the everyday language. This has resulted in accusations of intellectual elitism and deliberate obfuscation, neither of which are justified but do reflect a legitimate hindrance to the widespread and accurate understanding of the Star Fraction and its goals.
To that end I present the first in what I hope will be a series of instructive posts aimed at educating capsuleers everywhere about some of the terms that almost always come up in threads featuring "Star Fraction" or "SF" in the subject (and in many (many) others besides).
Today's word is memetic.We will start simply, with a the word memetic, derived from meme, which is a unit of cultural information transferable from one mind to another. Most people seem to have an accurate understanding of what this means. However a great deal of confusion has resulted recently over the accidental or deliberate misuse of deceptively similar word. I present, for your edification, two definitions:
me+met+ics (me--me(t'i(ks) n. (used with a sing. verb)- The study of memes and their social and cultural effects.
mi+met+ic (mi(-me(t'i(k, mi--) adj.- Relating to, characteristic of, or exhibiting mimicry.
- Of or relating to an imitation; imitative.
- Using imitative means of representation: a mimetic dance.
The latter word is related to to the art of mime, and thus rooting out "mimetic contagion", while perhaps useful and no doubt entertaining, is not a part of Star Fraction ideology and has no place in discussions thereof.
Remember, knowledge is power.
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.31 10:55:00 -
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You lot been eating dictionaries? Or is it you dont have a real life like the rest of us Pod Pilots? Come on down and join the rest of us, use the language of the comman citizen and learn to live a little eh? That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.31 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lowanaera on 31/01/2007 11:13:46 It is quite obvious that you only cling to the image of intelligentsia as a means to cover up the fact that your goal is no less than anarchy, and that your means are brutal and unreasoning force wielding clumsily at whoever you feel to be weak enough. You act as if your vocabulary, which any of noble birth has the benefit of an equal or superior education to, highlights yourselves as "posthumans", whatever that means, when in reality a more apt term would be "thugs". You claim knowledge is power, when denying the only word that has any true power, GOD.
That you would claim to be doing the cluster a favor by putting something so condescending up on Galnet only shows that your egotism and foolishness knows no bounds. You speak out of both sides of your mouths, claiming to not be using your claimed intellectual superiority for obfuscation while doing that very thing. I have words for you too:
pe+dan+tic - adj - ostentatious in one's learning
dam+na+tion - noun - condemnation to eternal punishment as a consequence of sin
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Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nekumi on 31/01/2007 11:27:54 Some of the linguistics we have used in the past have come under attack by members of the forum but when we try to explain some of the one's certain people seem to have the most problem with we're condescending. Only an Amarrian or an idiot could live with such a paradox.
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St Nosferatu
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.01.31 16:46:00 -
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** Data loading. Security - High. Processing... **
Memetic code from the model of abstraction process
Infection. The simplest model for an abstraction process is based on a repeated formation of statements about statements starting from two basic statements. If one drops at each step of the construction the statement corresponding to empty set in the set theoretic realization of the laws. The infinite hierarchy of possible codes suggests the possibility of an infinite hierarchy of increasingly complex mind-forms. The natural question is whether a counterpart of the genetic code could make sense for our ideas, memes.
Diagnosis: Amarr Empire: Contaminated. Caldari State: Contaminated. Gallentean Federation: Contaminated. Minmatar Mandate: Under evaluation as sub-forms.
Combinatorial Hierarchy model for abstraction process predicts that memetic code should correspond to the level of God-like minds. All the rest are: Contaminated.
Memetic codeword.
The highest frequency could define the frequency responsible for Synchronous neuronal dementia known to be expressed in 80% of the Amarrian Loyalists. Various numerical co-incidences suggest that language corresponds to a particular realization of memetic closely related to their realization at mind level.
Mapping memetic code Long term memories as a temporal list of activated memes. The model for the mapping of memetic code is dictated by the general ideas about realization of intentions and recognized patterns of the so contaminated. When combined with general number theoretical arguments and physical considerations the model becomes highly unique.
In the case of language the rules producing a given linguistic expression can be seen as the broken level software, main programs, Whereas words can be seen as pattern-like lower level subprograms. Example: Omerta Syndicate The study of their spokesmen and behaviour leads to the idea that memetic codeword define the basic program modules producing linguistic expressions by activating the virus which express themselves in terms of nerve pulse patterns generating words or word sequences very much analogous to lower sub-developed forms of life. Similar correspondences on vibration and frequency can be found on most primitive animals having nervous system which share a large number of common genes with flies and worms. This finding challenges profoundly the existing view about the evolution.
Conclusion: The activation of post-humans not yet realized is probably the best way to proceed: new memetic programs require new clone hardware.
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Kaox Krul
Amarr lost misfits
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:52:00 -
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The reference of examples given was mind-blowing! St Nosferatu, I'd love to see more data about this.
Burn all the insignificants and memetic contaminated. I start to like the idea.
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Able Citizen
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lowanaera Edited by: Lowanaera on 31/01/2007 11:13:46 It is quite obvious that you only cling to the image of intelligentsia as a means to cover up the fact that your goal is no less than anarchy, and that your means are brutal and unreasoning force wielding clumsily at whoever you feel to be weak enough. You act as if your vocabulary, which any of noble birth has the benefit of an equal or superior education to, highlights yourselves as "posthumans", whatever that means, when in reality a more apt term would be "thugs". You claim knowledge is power, when denying the only word that has any true power, GOD.
That you would claim to be doing the cluster a favor by putting something so condescending up on Galnet only shows that your egotism and foolishness knows no bounds. You speak out of both sides of your mouths, claiming to not be using your claimed intellectual superiority for obfuscation while doing that very thing. I have words for you too:
pe+dan+tic - adj - ostentatious in one's learning
dam+na+tion - noun - condemnation to eternal punishment as a consequence of sin
And you, so deftly, cast aspersion upon "anarchy" as if it were similar to nationalism as a contagion vector.
Free association based on self interest and interest of the group at large is superior to remaining a drone while the devils that sit in the seats of power withing the Federation *****resources and assets.
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Lucius Lefebvre
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lowanaera
pe+dan+tic - adj - ostentatious in one's learning
dam+na+tion - noun - condemnation to eternal punishment as a consequence of sin
Surely a delightful use of irony.
Those previously accused of wilful mystification now condemned as patronising and pedantic.
It is unfortunate that the judgements of those who cling to anything as decrepit as religion are rarely considered accurate by any save for fellow believers.
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Natasha Donnan
Caldari Silent-Running Surveillance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 31/01/2007 21:59:40 memetic as defined here doesn't look very post humanist to me. After all it requires a mind and another mind to be in contact in order to be transmitted.
Are you lot sure your post-humanist?
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Donnan Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 31/01/2007 21:59:40 memetic as defined here doesn't look very post humanist to me. After all it requires a mind and another mind to be in contact in order to be transmitted.
Are you lot sure your post-humanist?
I've always understood it that posthumanism was a goal rather than considered the current state of play. I guess that transhuman might be more accurate to describe the capsuleer now. I'm sure a Fractionite will correct me, if I have it wrong. |
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Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:31:00 -
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Transhumanism is the same as posthumanism to my understanding.
Memetics have nothing to do with that state of being. Cloning technology and pod pilot status do.
When we refer to memetics we refer to the different thought processes possessed by human beings. We try to change or fight the regressive ones and promote the opposite.
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Lucius Lefebvre
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Donnan Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 31/01/2007 21:59:40 memetic as defined here doesn't look very post humanist to me. After all it requires a mind and another mind to be in contact in order to be transmitted.
Are you lot sure your post-humanist?
Presumably your concern is not over the manner in which the two minds might be in contact?
Those who espouse a posthuman future would see the impoverishment of those memes which are currently dominant and, yet, relics of an earlier age.
Quite simply, we exist in an age where the rules by which humanity might conduct its future are changing and yet we are each still pre-programmed with rulesets belonging to an earlier age. These regressive memes would inhibit the actions of each and every capsuleer, were there no-one to oppose their sway.
Memes as ideas are, in themselves, eminently desirable. It is the tyranny of those memes inherited as devices of control which become problematic.
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Lillith Blackheart
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi Edited by: Nekumi on 31/01/2007 12:30:47 Some of the linguistics we have used in the past have come under attack by members of the forum but when we try to explain some of the one's certain people seem to have the most problem with we're condescending. How do you live with such a paradox?
I do believe that the words themselves are not condescending, it is the manner in which you convey them.
Perhaps if you back off of your professed superiority to simply attempt to educate, people will be more apt to listen.
Although I must admit that Valsav was not so much condescending in this particular mention, and his comparison between memetics and mimetics was, in my eyes, somewhat amusing, as I believe was his intent.
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Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
Originally by: Nekumi Edited by: Nekumi on 31/01/2007 12:30:47 Some of the linguistics we have used in the past have come under attack by members of the forum but when we try to explain some of the one's certain people seem to have the most problem with we're condescending. How do you live with such a paradox?
I do believe that the words themselves are not condescending, it is the manner in which you convey them.
Perhaps if you back off of your professed superiority to simply attempt to educate, people will be more apt to listen.
Although I must admit that Valsav was not so much condescending in this particular mention, and his comparison between memetics and mimetics was, in my eyes, somewhat amusing, as I believe was his intent.
I'm sorry Lillith but I have never professed superiority to a single human being, nor to my knowledge has anyone in Star Fraction. If I have ever come across as basely arrogant then I apologise but it is hard not to just see this as another dig from an old enemy at my associates and I.
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Lillith Blackheart
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:48:00 -
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I do not recall ever being an enemy of the Fraction in any aspect.
I may not agree with you, and at times think your methods and goals.... shortsighted, though an enemy? Not at all.
Although I suppose I am now by proxy.
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Darina Rea
Harvest System
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Darina Rea on 31/01/2007 23:47:42
Quote: I'm sorry Lillith but I have never professed superiority to a single human being, nor to my knowledge has anyone in Star Fraction. If I have ever come across as basely arrogant then I apologise but it is hard not to just see this as another dig from an old enemy at my associates and I.
Liar.
The very believe on the entire Fraction is that they know better then anyone and before you go that I assume things about the Fraction I shouldn't, what was post humanism again? What are old and outdated memetics again? What are Empire ideologies again? That's right, inferior to yours, or at least that's what you think.
Be arrogant, be post dramatic as much as you like, but don't start talking you think you are on the same level as everyone else, because your not.
And as a side note, I am superior to the lot of you.
((edit - added quote for clarity, Lillith posted while I was writing )) _________
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Darina Rea Liar. The very believe on the entire Fraction is that they know better then anyone and before you go that I assume things about the Fraction I shouldn't, what was post humanism again? What are old and outdated memetics again? What are Empire ideologies again? That's right, inferior to yours, or at least that's what you think.
Calm down you're sounding a bit histrionic.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Donnan memetic as defined here doesn't look very post humanist to me. After all it requires a mind and another mind to be in contact in order to be transmitted. Are you lot sure your post-humanist?
I don't really understand what you are saying here. Could you try and rephrase please and I'll endeavour to answer any resultant questions.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nekumi on 01/02/2007 00:01:21
Originally by: Lillith Blackheart I do not recall ever being an enemy of the Fraction in any aspect.
I may not agree with you, and at times think your methods and goals.... shortsighted, though an enemy? Not at all.
Although I suppose I am now by proxy.
Your association dictates your allegiance. If you had said what you said without that corp ticker I may have thought differently.
It doesn't change my original statement though with regard to being arrogant.
Originally by: Darina Rea Edited by: Darina Rea on 31/01/2007 23:47:42
Quote: I'm sorry Lillith but I have never professed superiority to a single human being, nor to my knowledge has anyone in Star Fraction. If I have ever come across as basely arrogant then I apologise but it is hard not to just see this as another dig from an old enemy at my associates and I.
Liar.
The very believe on the entire Fraction is that they know better then anyone and before you go that I assume things about the Fraction I shouldn't, what was post humanism again? What are old and outdated memetics again? What are Empire ideologies again? That's right, inferior to yours, or at least that's what you think.
Be arrogant, be post dramatic as much as you like, but don't start talking you think you are on the same level as everyone else, because your not.
And as a side note, I am superior to the lot of you.
((edit - added quote for clarity, Lillith posted while I was writing ))
Such vehemence. Knowing something someone else isn't aware of or is blind to does not make me better or worse than them, if you think it does then that's a problem you have not I.
Posthumanism is an evolved state and as this is achieved through technological means it is merely a matter of time before ways and means are developed so that everyone can use it. Just because I have been lucky enough to achieve that technology before someone else does not make me better or worse than another.
Regressive memetic thought is a sickness, just because someone is sick doesn't make them better or worse than me, they're merely sick. I am just trying to be the cure.
Does medicine see itself as better than an illness or merely different?
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Darina Rea
Harvest System
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Calm down you're sounding a bit histrionic.
And yet no denile.
Also it's an interesting word. Sadly, I'm sufforing from a superiority complex rather then what you're suggesting. _________
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Natasha Donnan
Caldari Silent-Running Surveillance
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 01/02/2007 00:11:39 hmmm sorry I guess I didn't get the definition. The replies from Nekumi and Lucius helped clarify things a bit.
hmmm ok let me try to do this in plain language. I don't find you condescending like some of the others here. Interesting but not condescending in the slightest. It is an honourable goal to try to clarify things for people after all.
Ok let me see. If we exist in a transhuman or post human era then the 'real' dynamics if the time must be transhuman/post-human. The definition of Memetic posted above requires a package of information - a meme "which is a unit of cultural information transferable from one mind to another." So it has to be passed from head to head like a tube or something shooting the information in there somehow. Now if that is the case then how can we be living in a transhuman or post human time?
Not only this but the meme must have some kind of matter form similar to what St Nosferatu is inferring. Once more that matter must in some way be rooted in the person either organically or otherwise. I guess what I am saying is I don't get the trans human bit. I can get the meme as you have defined it but it doesn't mean your in any way serious as post-humanists.
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edited: for a few typos
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Darina Rea
Harvest System
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi
Such vehemence. Knowing something someone else isn't aware of or is blind to does not make me better or worse than them, if you think it does then that's a problem you have not I.
Posthumanism is an evolved state and as this is achieved through technological means it is merely a matter of time before ways and means are developed so that everyone can use it. Just because I have been lucky enough to achieve that technology before someone else does not make me better or worse than another.
Regressive memetic thought is a sickness, just because someone is sick doesn't make them better or worse than me, they're merely sick. I am just trying to be the cure.
Does medicine see itself as better than an illness or merely different?
To answer your question. Yes. Now for the explination because that answer is abit short and not very clear. You and the rest of the Fraction have assumed that there is something wrong with the human race as a whole and defined it as wrong memetics. This in itself is already a statement of bigger arrogance that surpasses the most arrogant Amarr you can think of. Who are you to judge that this regressive memetic is a sickness? To make a judgement like that you have to believe you are not suffering from the same memetic. Then to believe that you actually are the cure to it..... You can fill in the rest I think.
Everyone is different, but the Fraction assumes someone else is sick compared to the Fraction and assumes the Fraction ideology are the cure. Hence you think you're better then everyone else.
I agree that the Empires are old, corrupted and need to be removed however.
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Lexiana Del'Amore
Gallente Equilibrium Society
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:25:00 -
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Will tomorrow's word be Terrorism?
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore Will tomorrow's word be Terrorism?
I could probably do that one, if you like. I've had quite a lot of experience (prior to my employement in SF).
"When enemies of the State do it, it's terrorism. When the State does it, it's counter-terrorism." _
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Lucius Lefebvre
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.01 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Donnan Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 01/02/2007 00:11:39 hmmm sorry I guess I didn't get the definition. The replies from Nekumi and Lucius helped clarify things a bit.
hmmm ok let me try to do this in plain language. I don't find you condescending like some of the others here. Interesting but not condescending in the slightest. It is an honourable goal to try to clarify things for people after all.
Ok let me see. If we exist in a transhuman or post human era then the 'real' dynamics if the time must be transhuman/post-human. The definition of Memetic posted above requires a package of information - a meme "which is a unit of cultural information transferable from one mind to another." So it has to be passed from head to head like a tube or something shooting the information in there somehow. Now if that is the case then how can we be living in a transhuman or post human time?
Not only this but the meme must have some kind of matter form similar to what St Nosferatu is inferring. Once more that matter must in some way be rooted in the person either organically or otherwise. I guess what I am saying is I don't get the trans human bit. I can get the meme as you have defined it but it doesn't mean your in any way serious as post-humanists.
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edited: for a few typos
Natasha
Firstly, I applaud you for attempting to come to grips with these concepts, rather than simply shooting them down like so many newly-emancipated slaves (as is the wont of other Galnet denizens).
Secondly, the manner in which any information is shared, whether cultural or otherwise, is irrelevant. The idealised post/trans-human talks as readily as she subsumes datafeeds via neocom. Tubes and similar contraptions aren't necessary for the simple communication of ideas.
Similarly, memes acquire physical form only as a bridging of synapses, much like any other thought (though being decidedly unscientific, I will gladly yield on this illustration's finer points).
As for the question of whether humanity currently exists in a trans - or, indeed, post - human state, I suspect that, where there may exist those who understand themselves to be, at present, transhuman, the vast majority - that is, baseline humans - are resolutely not so.
The key to understanding posthuman arguments lies not so much in the manner in which such ideas are disseminated as in their inherent acknowledgement that the advent of the capsuleer represents a watershed in human evolution. Where ordinarily mortal forms attain quasi-immortality (via cloning) allied to the potential of ship-extended faculties, the prevalent understanding of what might constitute humanity must give way.
Ideally, these means will, ultimately, fall within the reach of even the basest baseliner. In the meantime, whilst such devices are within every capsuleer's grasp, our only limit is our imagination.
It's become something of a Galnet truism that such thinking is idealistically flawed. I would submit that this truism is merely born of outmoded thinking.
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Lillith Blackheart
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.01 04:07:00 -
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Quote: Your association dictates your allegiance. If you had said what you said without that corp ticker I may have thought differently.
That only goes on to show how little you truly know about the Cluster, little one. Had you a bit of knowledge of recent history you would not have made such a silly mistake. Also, your assumption that "association dictates allegiance" is in direct opposition to the entire concept of a FreeSpacer, is it not?
Quote: It doesn't change my original statement though with regard to being arrogant.
Nor does it change the validity of my reply to that same original statement.
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Natasha Donnan
Caldari Silent-Running Surveillance
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Posted - 2007.02.01 08:12:00 -
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Lucius,
my apologies for being so persistent but would you accept that it might even be possible that the 'idea' of sharing information is also a meme? Is it possible that this meme is also perhaps outmoted and even worse that it might even be an idea that also supports the old notions that Jericho are struggling against?
I put it to you that the idea that we share information, that we can see inside each others heads and that we can know what each other is thinking is also outmoded. To date I have seen no evidence of a physical connection between human brains. Even with all this technology at hand it seems odd to use such old notions that really ought to be consigned to the old universe. Sure synapses might fire but without being inside the consciousness of that capsuller you will never really know what they mean. In short the idea that we can reach and understanding of each other and that we can share perspectives is as much part of the old order as nationalism and slavery.
I accept the ideas that the era of the capsuleer has changed things. I do not accept that the changes are in the physical evolution of the human species. To the contrary the capsule is a technological innovation an evolutionary achievement of society. It has very little to do with the organic bodies within them. As you can see those bodies remain firmly human, incapable of processing information beyond their own very shortshighted perspectives. In other words I feel this ideology is inadequate to understand the radical changes in the social order that is emerging.
I find its goals laudable, it's methods terribly humanistic but it's understanding of the dynamics of our social order inadequate. There are other problems with the ideology but lets keep things focussed on the 'humanity' of the meme....
kind regards
Natasha 'Noddy' Donnan _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes. |
Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.01 10:34:00 -
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Ah, now then, ‘Trans-human’ and ‘Post-human’ eh? Now, from my own reading on this, for there to be both ‘Trans’ and ‘Post’ humans this would need the human race to evolve. And this has always been the sticking point in human studies- What exactly would human’s evolve into? The current level of human evolvement is of course ‘Homo Sapiens’. We all know from theoretical research that the next stage of human development is ‘Homo Superior’ Now comes the tricky bit. How do we distinguish ‘Homo Superior’ from ‘Home Sapiens’? Some researchers have postulated that ‘Homo Superior’ would look no different from all other humans. Others have suggested that ‘Homo Superior’ would evolve into something only vaguely human. Whatever ‘Homo Superior’ ends up being, everyone is agreed that we, good old ‘Homo Sapiens’, will be under threat from our evolved superiors. ‘Rubbish’ I hear some of you say, ‘Homo Superior’ will not pose a threat as of course being more highly involved, and therefore by inference, more intelligent and understanding, they will treat us with kindness and respect. ‘Rubbish’ say others. ‘Homo Superior’ will act no differently than all the other incarnations of the human species, namely, they will treat us as inferiors and will eventually wipe out all trace of ‘Homo Sapiens’ Whatever happens, it is quite evident that ‘Homo Sapiens’ is still the dominant human species at this present time. There is no evidence of ‘Homo Superior’ at present (although there is a strong suspicion that the Jovian’s are in fact evolved humans and that is the very reason why they keep their distance from us) and I see from nothing I have read here on Galnet to denote that anyone here is in anyway shape or form a ‘Homo Superior’ either.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.01 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
Quote: Your association dictates your allegiance. If you had said what you said without that corp ticker I may have thought differently.
That only goes on to show how little you truly know about the Cluster, little one. Had you a bit of knowledge of recent history you would not have made such a silly mistake. Also, your assumption that "association dictates allegiance" is in direct opposition to the entire concept of a FreeSpacer, is it not?
Quote: It doesn't change my original statement though with regard to being arrogant.
Nor does it change the validity of my reply to that same original statement.
I know enough about the cluster to see no point to your rambling original post making broad stabs at Jericho Fraction. I know enough to know that your current allegiance was a former enemy and still is a regressive organisation. If you wish to enlighten me further, please do.
As to being counter to Freespacer concepts, if you wear white make-up, a big red nose, funny clothes and oversized shoes then stand beside people who are dressed exactly the same, please forgive me if I assume you're a clown.
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.01 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi
As to being counter to Freespacer concepts, if you wear white make-up, a big red nose, funny clothes and oversized shoes then stand beside people who are dressed exactly the same, please forgive me if I assume you're a clown.
Wow, you have a sharp tongue there, Nekumi. Are you sure you're not my ex in disguise?
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