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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2016.02.08 18:40:41 -
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Sub Starasque wrote:... What I am saying is that I either get to keep carrier V and have a useless tactical logistics reconfiguration skill, or I can can choose to put that into the fax skill and have useless fighters V. Those are pretty long trains and to just throw them out the window feels like I'm getting a giant middle finger to the face. I spent entire months of sub time *just* on those individual skills. Yep, pretty much this.
Guess CCP are counting on us to help drive the initial demand for Skill Extractors
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2571
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Posted - 2016.02.08 18:41:41 -
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Paddy Finn wrote:Don't try and do mental gymnastics about how FAX and carriers roles are significantly different from the combined roles the carrier has now. If you can fly it before a patch you should be able to fly it after a patch, this is an unacceptable solution to the problem.
You can fly a carrier and will be able to fly a carrier or a FAX. Anything you could fly will still be available unless you choose not to. |
LYFE SUCKS
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.02.08 18:41:53 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:LYFE SUCKS wrote:LYFE SUCKS wrote:what if you trained 2 carriers to V but didnt train tactical logi reconfig yet, but still want the sp refunded as you were training for triage??? dont forget about my question pls lol Inject and train tactical logi to 1? Along with the FAX skills. The CCP post doesn't say you have to have them to a particular level to get the unallocated SP. Plenty of time to do that before Citadel hits, you have months to sort this in.
ah thx thought you got to have it by when they seed the skillbooks |
Current Habit
Rusty Pricks
56
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Posted - 2016.02.08 18:43:07 -
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So the FAX and the post-change carriers are basically half the ships they're currently (post change carrier/FAX can only deal daamage/repair - current carrier can do both). It would be reasonable to reduce the price for carriers and FAXes to 250m instead of 500m (current carrier skill book price) and give everyone who has a (racial) carrier book injected the new FAX skillbook. |
Alexander Tekitsu
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2016.02.08 18:49:16 -
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Why not keep it simple. If you have tactical reconfig, refund SP in each carrier, grant that racial FAX @ lvl 0. I'm not as hard up as some others that have 4 carriers trained, but even at 2, that is a Bill in books that was spent on something that may not be desired.
I'm also curious at which point FAX information will be released so we can figure out which race we should prioritize, and at what point these can start being built, if the big plan is to shut off Carriers triage the same day as BPOs are launched, you have just killed Capital logistics for a week minimum. ( and saturated the market with carriers with useless CCC rigs. ) |
Capqu
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1191
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Posted - 2016.02.08 19:21:28 -
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which one do i need to use my links on my carrier?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2144
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Posted - 2016.02.08 19:31:01 -
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Will the isk for the new skill books be refunded?
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Sakido Cain
Duragon Pioneer Group Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.02.08 19:31:12 -
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OK, we will be refunded the racial carrier skill points, so if we decide we hate the new carrier changes we aren't stuck in it... cool. What about the Triage skill? If we decide we don't wanna go back into either of these ships because we don't like them, should we not also be able to reallocate the skill points that can only be used with this ship? |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
206
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Posted - 2016.02.08 19:43:25 -
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I find this fare.
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Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
117
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Posted - 2016.02.08 19:44:07 -
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Tappits wrote:I find this fare.
You are right, it is not fair. |
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Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
206
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Posted - 2016.02.08 19:45:34 -
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Dunk Dinkle wrote:Tappits wrote:I find this fare.
You are right, it is not fair.
M8 no mad |
Asher Amazingness
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.08 19:48:44 -
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Thanks CCP I'm really looking forward to spending 4b on seeded skillbooks for my 2 perfect triage pilots so they can fly the same **** they can fly already! This is a great change good for the game and will result in mass resubs no doubt. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1710
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Posted - 2016.02.08 19:57:29 -
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Sakido Cain wrote:OK, we will be refunded the racial carrier skill points, so if we decide we hate the new carrier changes we aren't stuck in it... cool. What about the Triage skill? If we decide we don't wanna go back into either of these ships because we don't like them, should we not also be able to reallocate the skill points that can only be used with this ship?
Skills that need refunding.
Racial Carriers Fighters Fighter Bombers Capital Energy Transfers Capital Remove Armor Repair Capital Remote Shield Repair Capital Remote Energy Transfer Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration
TBH, with such a shake up of capitals, id also suggest that;
Advances Spaceship Command Capital Ships Racial Dreadnoughts Capital Armor Repair Capital Shield Repair Capital Weapon Systems (multiple) Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration
...should be refunded too.
Allow people to make the choice where they want to land in the new meta. Its lame enough that you are taking a role that many of us can currently perform and making us train another 40 days at the cost of 500m. Without also binding us on decisions we made on an out of date meta. |
Anthar Thebess
1423
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:00:04 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Sakido Cain wrote:OK, we will be refunded the racial carrier skill points, so if we decide we hate the new carrier changes we aren't stuck in it... cool. What about the Triage skill? If we decide we don't wanna go back into either of these ships because we don't like them, should we not also be able to reallocate the skill points that can only be used with this ship? Skills that need refunding. Racial Carriers Capital Energy Transfers Capital Remove Armor Repair Capital Remote Shield Repair Capital Remote Energy Transfer Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration TBH, with such a shake up of capitals, id also suggest that; Advances Spaceship Command Capital Ships Racial Dreadnoughts Capital Armor Repair Capital Shield Repair Capital Weapon Systems (multiple) Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration ...should be refunded too. Allow people to make the choice where they want to land in the new meta. Its lame enough that you are taking a role that many of us can currently perform and making us train another 40 days at the cost of 500m. Without also binding us on decisions we made on an out of date meta. You are missing logistic cruisers , and cruiser class remote assistance modules. They are prerequisite for the capital versions. People trained those to use them on super alts, and now they will be worthless to them.
Don't forget about drone skills, if you choose fax, you don't need most of the drone skills any more.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1710
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:01:44 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote: You are missing logistic cruisers , and cruiser class remote assistance modules. They are prerequisite for the capital versions. People trained those to use them on super alts, and now they will be worthless to them.
Don't forget about drone skills, if you choose fax, you don't need most of the drone skills any more.
That is the problem with the route they have chosen, i didnt even consider such specialized characters.
I was assuming a char that would be used as a main, rather than pure triage/supercap alts. |
Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
118
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:03:11 -
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Tappits wrote:Dunk Dinkle wrote:Tappits wrote:I find this fare.
You are right, it is not fair. M8 no mad
I get 24 hours to be salty with no penalty. After that, feel free to nomad, HTFU, and #nopoors if I complain further. ;)
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Tiberian Deci
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
143
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:04:59 -
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Would it be too much to ask to get a remap as well. Because of the current attribute system (which is ass, but that's a separate issue) skill plans pretty much need to be mapped and planned out years in advance. My carrier pilot won't get another remap until August, and she is currently on an Int/Per remap because that's just how my plan worked out, so training the force auxiliary skills or the carrier skills would be at ~1890 SP/hour instead of the 2610 SP/hour that my remapped skills train at.
While we're at it, can you consider splitting the carrier/ force auxiliary skills like the battlecruiser skills and giving us the force auxiliary at our current racial carrier skill level? Because if the philosophy behind new skill introduction is "if you were able to do it before then you will be able to do it after" then you guys should be giving us the force auxiliary skills at whatever we currently have the racial carrier trained to. I have 15 million SP in drones on my carrier pilot because carriers needed to be able to use all drones. Now I have to train some new drone skills and all that 15, SP will be useless. I have all the applicable triage skills maxed out because that extra 5% capacitor saved per cycle can be huge for triage pilots. I trained Amarr and Caldari Carriers because those were the triage platforms. Now all of a sudden my drone skills won't be useful for my carrier and my triage skills will require me to train a new ship entirely if I want to triage? It's kinda a bullshit situation to be in, so if you aren't going to give us the SP (because that would actually make sense) then at least give us a few remaps so we can make the best of a ****** situation.
TL;DR: We deserve the force auxiliary skills at our racial carrier skill levels, not refunded SP where we have to choose between the two. Since CCP probably won't do that, at least give us 3 remaps (1 for the new drone skills, 1 for the new auxiliary skills, and 1 to put us back on what we were currently training) so we can make the best of this ****** situation. |
Celeste Benal
Heavy Metal Incorporated
46
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:07:17 -
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If you aren't going to use those fighter skills anymore, grab some extractors and pull those SP for sale to recoup your FAX skillbook cost. |
Capitol One
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
190
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:08:43 -
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Very angry and disappointed with this.
Used to be CCP's stance was "if you can fly it now, you can always fly it".
Now I'll no longer be able to fly Triage and Combat carriers for multiple carrier types over multiple characters. So I'll have to spend billions of isk and months of training just so I can continue flying the ships I'm flying now.
It's RIDICULOUS! |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1711
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:09:57 -
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Celeste Benal wrote:If you aren't going to use those fighter skills anymore, grab some extractors and pull those SP for sale to recoup your FAX skillbook cost.
OH THATS A GOOD IDEA, I WONDER IF CCP THOUGHT OF THAT?!?!?!
How much real life cash does a skill extractor cost again? |
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Equinox Daedalus
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
12
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:10:43 -
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When are you announcing the new carrier bonus's.
This is pretty much the more important of anything else. If i don't want to spend money on skill books that i don't need, i need to know WHAT are the new bonuses for that carriers and what is going to used for in correlation with the rest of the capital/drone skills as well.
I wish you would at least let us know what you have planned for the carrier role/bonus's so we can plan properly. |
Memphis Baas
1081
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:14:35 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Any character with Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration, a Carrier and Force Auxiliary skill (of the same race) injected when the citadels expansion launches, will have the racial carrier skillpoints refunded as unallocated skillpoints.
Wait a second, you have NOT fully specified what will be done for EACH choice that we have: to fly carrier, or to fly faux.
To continue to fly carriers:
- Will carriers use Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration? Triage modules? - Fighters skill? - Capital Remote Armor, Shield, Energy Transfer?
It sounds like you want to switch the triage and remote repair modules to apply to fauxes, and so you are probably planning on requiring another skill and module for carrier siege mode. NOT triage.
It's ok if the plans for carriers haven't been finalized yet, as long as you confirm that people who refuse the Force Auxiliary skill, and thus keep their Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration and associated skills, will have these skills switched over to whatever the carriers will use once THAT change goes through.
So please clarify:
- what skills will be required to fly carriers - what skills will be switched to the carrier versions, specifically if triage still applies
- what skills will be required to fly force auxiliaries - and you've already mentioned that fauxes will use the triage skill.
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Anthar Thebess
1424
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:14:44 -
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Celeste Benal wrote:If you aren't going to use those fighter skills anymore, grab some extractors and pull those SP for sale to recoup your FAX skillbook cost. Why? I need to pay for every thing.
CCP for very long time uphold rule : If you can fly it now ... You will find multiple posts from CCP employees stating this, you will find this in dev blogs.
Now CCP changed this while changing at the same time important, time consuming and expensive line of ships.
Problem is that you will be no longer capable of doing the same stuff like before after this changes. In some cases this is very big change.
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chris elliot
The Red Island Foundation Shadow Cartel
425
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:15:23 -
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How are we supposed to know which fax book to buy and inject when you haven't released the stats on the fax machines themselves... You guys have been half-arsing this stuff. |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
244
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:24:19 -
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Soldarius wrote:If you're sitting in a mothership, you can't dock to inject the FAX skill (unless you get out of your space-coffin). So no worries. dont need to dock to inject skills.... |
Anthar Thebess
1424
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:24:33 -
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chris elliot wrote:How are we supposed to know which fax book to buy and inject when you haven't released the stats on the fax machines themselves... You guys have been half-arsing this stuff. Fax skills is one thing, all capital modules stats is another. Add new fighter to this, and complete stats of citadels. How we can decide what ships we will be needing if we don't know statistics of the structures they are going to be killing.
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Mashie Saldana
TunDraGon
1637
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:29:22 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Mates,
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Good idea :) +1
How to win EVE
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2574
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:31:36 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Celeste Benal wrote:If you aren't going to use those fighter skills anymore, grab some extractors and pull those SP for sale to recoup your FAX skillbook cost. Why? I need to pay for every thing. CCP for very long time uphold rule : If you can fly it now ... You will find multiple posts from CCP employees stating this, you will find this in dev blogs. Now CCP changed this while changing at the same time important, time consuming and expensive line of ships. Problem is that you will be no longer capable of doing the same stuff like before after this changes. In some cases this is very big change.
It's you can fly what you could fly, not you can do what you could.
You will still be able to fly a carrier unless you decide not to. There are 0 ship that you could fly that you will no longer be able to unless you decide to switch your SP via refund to something else and at that point, YOU made the decision to change so CCP's rule of "If you can fly it before you will after" is not broken. |
Bombay Boozer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:33:14 -
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HeyGuys! This sounds absolutely ******** hey I spent 2bn isk on 4 carrier skills to triage, now please spend more isk to keep that ability xdxdxdxd great stuff boys, great stuff |
Panther X
High Flyers Northern Coalition.
103
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Posted - 2016.02.08 20:36:58 -
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So in addition to having racial carriers erased, at their cost of each race, which we dont get reimbursed for, we have to shell out the spacebux just to fly the ships we have already been flying (triage) and spent hundreds of hours training for only to have it all wiped out. Torture you? Thats a good idea... I like that.
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