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Ryan Baradi
Nemesis Creations Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 11:28:00 -
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Hey everyone,
I was wondering something about courier contracts that I haven't really had a satisfiable answer to (so far). The main thing I'm wondering is, is it true that some courier contracts are just "scams" of people who are out to get your collateral? I'm asking this because I sometimes see very lucrative looking contracts (say a couple million ISK for only a few jumps through high sec) with a low volume (1 to 10 M3) to transport. The "problem" often is that the collateral of these contracts is set to an enormous amount and that started making me doubt and ask some friends before accepting such a contract.
Basically, I heard that contracts sometimes contain illegal goods, and there's a risk of it being conviscated by CONCORD, thereby making you fail your contract and losing your collateral. But, there is no way to check the goods before accepting the contract, is there?? So how am I supposed to know whether I am not simply risking failing the courier contract on that basis alone?
Some people said "that risk is simply part of the game" and "you just need a really fast ship to outrun CONCORD in that case", but I am left with mixed feelings about this. If this is true, why can't goods be "scanned for legality" beforehand so you have 2 categories labelled "legal" and "illegal" goods? That way risk-averse people still have a reason to pick up courier contracts. Right now I'm avoiding courier contracts simply with the fear of it being a scam...
Hope someone can put my mind at ease. ;) |
Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.31 13:04:00 -
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Courier scam is one of Eve myths. There are only two ways how to "scam" you on couriers:
a) mission starts or ends in 0.0 station where special docking rights are required - that way they can refuse to give you docking rights and you can't complete the mission. Solution: do not accept mission which starts/ends in station where docking rights are required
b) they kill you before you deliver the package - in 0.0 its pretty obvious that courier issuer will know which way you will take and also know your name, he can wait somewhere and kill you with his friends. In high sec, only way how to scam you is suicide attack. With introcution of 0km warps, I think its safe to say, that high sec courier missions are immune to scams (unless you make some major mistake)
I am pretty sure that 99% of high sec couriers are legit. There is no way to scam you, no illegal goods can be put into courier. Think about it, if they wanted to kill you - its 24 hours of high sec camping and suicide attack with unsure result. You can completly avoid it by using warp to 0km.
BTW those missions you were talking about - I issue similiar to them every day. I trade with implants and other small, but expensive items. Of course when I have 250M item which is 1 m3 and need to move it 8 jumps in highsec, I have to offer high reward, cos no one with 250M in pocket is gonna work for me for few ISK. So I offer 5M reward in example. I save time, courier gets easy 5M, everyone is happy.
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Ulrich Sternaxe
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Posted - 2007.01.31 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 31/01/2007 13:22:34 Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 31/01/2007 13:22:13 CCP should fix it so you can see what's inside the courier contract. I just found a guy who wants to do the hauling for me but he also doesn't want to use courier contracts for the same reason (and it's in high-sec). So we're using item exchanges, but now he always has to wait for me to come online to get his colleteral back and vice versa. Very annoying and ineffective, he can't haul 2 contracts in a row for me since he doesn't have enough colleteral, so first he has to do 1 contract for just 1 or a few jumps, then has to wait 12-24 hours before I come online (he's in a different part of the world) and give him back his colleteral. Then he can start on the second contract, again having to wait 12-24 hours again for his colleteral back.
In short, he'll just wait until we're both online, which hardly ever happens resulting in the total slowdown of my manufacturing business. I'm now manufacturing half of what I used to, while I tried to free up some time by handing over the hauling to someone else so I could manufacture more. It's not working...
But I'm hoping he will start trusting me and use courier contracts, but if I were him, I just wouldn't take that risk (no matter the warp to 0).
Oh, and to the guy above me, according to this hauler, courier scams DO happen, it happened to him.
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Macon Squaredealer
Squaredeal Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.31 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz Courier scam is one of Eve myths. There are only two ways how to "scam" you on couriers:
a) mission starts or ends in 0.0 station where special docking rights are required - that way they can refuse to give you docking rights and you can't complete the mission. Solution: do not accept mission which starts/ends in station where docking rights are required
b) they kill you before you deliver the package - in 0.0 its pretty obvious that courier issuer will know which way you will take and also know your name, he can wait somewhere and kill you with his friends. In high sec, only way how to scam you is suicide attack. With introcution of 0km warps, I think its safe to say, that high sec courier missions are immune to scams (unless you make some major mistake).
c) If it is true that freighters still can't carry courier packages another scam used on the unwary noob is to make the courier mission package to large to be carried in any industrial with expanders combination - like 50,000 meters or so. Look over the size of the package before you accept the mission aspiring deliverymen! ___________________________________________ Watch for the Squaredeal Enterprises IPO in the coming months. |
Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.31 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Macon Squaredealer c) If it is true that freighters still can't carry courier packages another scam used on the unwary noob is to make the courier mission package to large to be carried in any industrial with expanders combination - like 50,000 meters or so. Look over the size of the package before you accept the mission aspiring deliverymen!
Is this bug really present? I never tried it, since it lets you make only 120k m3 courier max, so its useless for freighter jobs. Anyway, I think there isnt a lot of newbies flying freighters.
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Ryan Baradi
Nemesis Creations Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
I am pretty sure that 99% of high sec couriers are legit. There is no way to scam you, no illegal goods can be put into courier. Think about it, if they wanted to kill you - its 24 hours of high sec camping and suicide attack with unsure result. You can completly avoid it by using warp to 0km.
Is this really true? No illegal goods can be put into a courier contract? I've had people tell me otherwise and there's always the risk of people stuffing illegal goods into a contract. If this really can't be done it would make me much happier. ;) |
Apocrypha Gnostromo
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ryan Baradi
Originally by: Robacz
I am pretty sure that 99% of high sec couriers are legit. There is no way to scam you, no illegal goods can be put into courier. Think about it, if they wanted to kill you - its 24 hours of high sec camping and suicide attack with unsure result. You can completly avoid it by using warp to 0km.
Is this really true? No illegal goods can be put into a courier contract? I've had people tell me otherwise and there's always the risk of people stuffing illegal goods into a contract. If this really can't be done it would make me much happier. ;)
You cannot create a courier contract for illegal items. If you're that worried about it, then try it yourself. It simply cannot be done.
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Ryan Baradi
Nemesis Creations Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Macon Squaredealer
c) If it is true that freighters still can't carry courier packages another scam used on the unwary noob is to make the courier mission package to large to be carried in any industrial with expanders combination - like 50,000 meters or so. Look over the size of the package before you accept the mission aspiring deliverymen!
So if a contract package is say 10k M3, even if it contains loads of minerals, I have to haul the package all in one go? In other words, in an 8k cargo Indy, I can't split it up into 8k and 2k and make two runs? I understand if it's a large object I have to ship, I can't simply "split it into 2 badges", but what about cargo that could in theory be split?
Thanks for the answers so far, been really helpful. :) |
Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ryan Baradi Is this really true? No illegal goods can be put into a courier contract? I've had people tell me otherwise and there's always the risk of people stuffing illegal goods into a contract. If this really can't be done it would make me much happier. ;)
It can't be done. Try it by yourself if you don't belive us.
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Pretepac
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.02.01 19:42:00 -
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hmm, WOW... Im looking forward to buying a freighter myself, and I really really want to know: is it troue? you cant do curier contracts with it? Now thats just crap!
Why is that? I simply dont understand why have thay built it in... So can we all get a stright anwser?
Cheers, Pretepac
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.01 23:58:00 -
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You can do courier contracts in a freighter.
Your cant create courier contracts that contain illegal items (shame though).
Scamming in a courier contract is very hard unless people are prepared to accept contracts to places they cannot dock at. If there is a big collatral, it is post probably because someone realy values the item being transported. If they havnt put a big reward to go with, there is a simple solution - dont take the contract.
If you do accept a contract (after checking that you can dock at the start and destination of course), look inside it - if the item is realy NOT worth the collatral, be especially carefull when transporting it. That might well be a sign that there may well be people who will attempt to ambush you on the route. If you avoid such ambushes and deliver the item, however, you will still get your reward and collatral back.
If you are particularly worried about a contract, you might want to look at the contract history of the issuer; if they have issued lots of courier contracts that have failed in the past, that might well sugest that they are a scammer. You might also look out for those contracts that were for a single zydrine (or other mineral or salvage material), but were named as having 1000's of them.
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Raindrop
LittleHauling Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.02 02:11:00 -
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I can't get to the info here.
But check LittleAngel bio in game for the other restrictions to a courier contract like max m3 and max item piles etc. Raindrop
It only takes a raindrop to cool the market.
100% Carebear and loving it. Trader. Hauler.
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