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Dasnya Zamayid
M4gnum P.I.
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Posted - 2016.02.10 18:51:56 -
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All out there and the flamers........
I injected a number of Skill injectors into my Char, injected a nice new skill "Jump Drive" , but cleared mu skill que and then added the new skill to be trained from zero to 5.
It brought up a message you cannot dual train accounts and then i dismissed ir. However the unallocated SP had reduced and the Jump Drive skill was still at Zero.
I checked and recheck but the SP had dropped and the skill was still zero. I now find out that BEFORE you allocate your SP to your new skill. You have to apply the Removal of old skills!!!
Now I know I'm going to get told NOOB etc from the flamers, but if I can do this any new Char could!!!!
Be warned (Note my petition is in) But this is just a warning |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2016.02.10 19:17:52 -
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Dasnya Zamayid wrote:All out there and the flamers........ I injected a number of Skill injectors into my Char, injected a nice new skill "Jump Drive" , but cleared mu skill que and then added the new skill to be trained from zero to 5. It brought up a message you cannot dual train accounts and then i dismissed ir. However the unallocated SP had reduced and the Jump Drive skill was still at Zero. I checked and recheck but the SP had dropped and the skill was still zero. I now find out that BEFORE you allocate your SP to your new skill. You have to apply the Removal of old skills!!! Now I know I'm going to get told NOOB etc from the flamers, but if I can do this any new Char could!!!! Be warned (Note my petition is in) But this is just a warning
Not sure what you're saying.
I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp.
If you inject the sp it's added as sp for you to allocate. Your training queue remains active.
If you allocate some of that sp to a skill the training skill queue stops until you start it again. In my case when I finished allocating.
I even added a few new skills and placed sp into them without any issue.
What I did notice that if you add a skill that you partially allocated sp to it didn't show the sp allocated visually as in the coloured line. However, it did show the correct amount of training time left. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2417
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Posted - 2016.02.10 19:45:25 -
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Avvy wrote:Dasnya Zamayid wrote:All out there and the flamers........ I injected a number of Skill injectors into my Char, injected a nice new skill "Jump Drive" , but cleared mu skill que and then added the new skill to be trained from zero to 5. It brought up a message you cannot dual train accounts and then i dismissed ir. However the unallocated SP had reduced and the Jump Drive skill was still at Zero. I checked and recheck but the SP had dropped and the skill was still zero. I now find out that BEFORE you allocate your SP to your new skill. You have to apply the Removal of old skills!!! Now I know I'm going to get told NOOB etc from the flamers, but if I can do this any new Char could!!!! Be warned (Note my petition is in) But this is just a warning Not sure what you're saying. I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp. If you inject the sp it's added as sp for you to allocate. Your training queue remains active. If you allocate some of that sp to a skill the training skill queue stops until you start it again. In my case when I finished allocating. I even added a few new skills and placed sp into them without any issue. What I did notice that if you add a skill that you partially allocated sp to it didn't show the sp allocated visually as in the coloured line. However, it did show the correct amount of training time left.
are you coming to do pirate things now?
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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PsiMin
The Warp Core Stabilizers Tactical Narcotics Team
45
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Posted - 2016.02.10 19:49:53 -
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Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2016.02.10 19:52:14 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Avvy wrote:Dasnya Zamayid wrote:All out there and the flamers........ I injected a number of Skill injectors into my Char, injected a nice new skill "Jump Drive" , but cleared mu skill que and then added the new skill to be trained from zero to 5. It brought up a message you cannot dual train accounts and then i dismissed ir. However the unallocated SP had reduced and the Jump Drive skill was still at Zero. I checked and recheck but the SP had dropped and the skill was still zero. I now find out that BEFORE you allocate your SP to your new skill. You have to apply the Removal of old skills!!! Now I know I'm going to get told NOOB etc from the flamers, but if I can do this any new Char could!!!! Be warned (Note my petition is in) But this is just a warning Not sure what you're saying. I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp. If you inject the sp it's added as sp for you to allocate. Your training queue remains active. If you allocate some of that sp to a skill the training skill queue stops until you start it again. In my case when I finished allocating. I even added a few new skills and placed sp into them without any issue. What I did notice that if you add a skill that you partially allocated sp to it didn't show the sp allocated visually as in the coloured line. However, it did show the correct amount of training time left. are you coming to do pirate things now?
Maybe soon, not yet. Getting lots of internet disconnects. The hub seems to be losing power sometimes briefly and sometimes it require turning off and back on. Disconnect at least 20 times today already. So might be about a week before I get it sorted out. Not 100% sure it's the hub, but that would be my guess atm.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10699
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Posted - 2016.02.10 20:00:57 -
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Lan Wang wrote: are you coming to do pirate things now?
Surely one must learn to undock first before taking the leap into piratehood
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3758
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Posted - 2016.02.10 20:04:25 -
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He removed skills in his skill queue He added jump drive calibration He injected skill points They seemed to go POOF!, with none added to JDC
Reason: He never hit "apply" to the skill queue. The points went to those skills in the queue that he thought were removed.
CCP: You should not allow skill point application when changes to the queue are pending, just like you do with PI.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2016.02.10 20:18:58 -
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PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game
It has made attributes even more of a useless system than it was already.
I needed to change training back from perception/willpower to intel/memory. After the injection of the sp, it allowed me to continue with perception/willpower. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
802
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Posted - 2016.02.10 20:36:43 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Lan Wang wrote: are you coming to do pirate things now?
Surely one must learn to undock first before taking the leap into piratehood
And, how long does it take to hop in a battleship in terms of training? You know people don't have the patience to wait until they're good and ready.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5018
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Posted - 2016.02.10 20:47:06 -
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PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game Do you sell characters?
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Skyler Mind
Klungels second hand spaceshipparts Kids With Guns Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.10 21:15:57 -
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PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game
Just because someone buys a Ferrari does not mean they are an F1 champion. That's why am so calm about the skill injector.
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Nuclear Nut Zack
CK-0FF Bad Intention
4
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Posted - 2016.02.11 03:15:41 -
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Skyler Mind wrote:Just because someone buys a Ferrari does not mean they are an F1 champion. That's why am so calm about the skill injector.
And just because someone is an F1 champion doesn't mean they can afford a Ferrari. That's why I'm so angry about the extractor prices. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2016.02.11 03:51:32 -
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Nuclear Nut Zack wrote:Skyler Mind wrote:Just because someone buys a Ferrari does not mean they are an F1 champion. That's why am so calm about the skill injector.
And just because someone is an F1 champion doesn't mean they can afford a Ferrari. That's why I'm so angry about the extractor prices.
Which prices? The AUR or the ISK? |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
281
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Posted - 2016.02.11 04:03:20 -
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Nuclear Nut Zack wrote:Skyler Mind wrote:Just because someone buys a Ferrari does not mean they are an F1 champion. That's why am so calm about the skill injector.
And just because someone is an F1 champion doesn't mean they can afford a Ferrari. That's why I'm so angry about the extractor prices.
this is BS, all F1 drivers, even the subs (i think) can afford a Ferrari.
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
207
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Posted - 2016.02.11 04:18:59 -
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PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game
Since SP trading seems to have gone over so well with the instant gratification kiddies it's just a matter of time before a more blatant pay to win scheme is implemented.
The Eve we used to know and love is dying a very slow embarrassing death.
Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1896
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Posted - 2016.02.11 04:24:18 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Nuclear Nut Zack wrote:Skyler Mind wrote:Just because someone buys a Ferrari does not mean they are an F1 champion. That's why am so calm about the skill injector.
And just because someone is an F1 champion doesn't mean they can afford a Ferrari. That's why I'm so angry about the extractor prices. this is BS, all F1 drivers, even the subs (i think) can afford a Ferrari.
Yeah you can get an 80s Mondial SH for about the same price as a newish family SUV.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9836
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Posted - 2016.02.11 06:30:22 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:Nuclear Nut Zack wrote:Skyler Mind wrote:Just because someone buys a Ferrari does not mean they are an F1 champion. That's why am so calm about the skill injector.
And just because someone is an F1 champion doesn't mean they can afford a Ferrari. That's why I'm so angry about the extractor prices. this is BS, all F1 drivers, even the subs (i think) can afford a Ferrari. Yeah you can get an 80s Mondial SH for about the same price as a newish family SUV.
No four seater (Okay 2+2. Whatever) should have ever had the Ferrari badge attached to it. What an abomination the Mondial was.
Mr Epeen
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
111
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Posted - 2016.02.11 08:01:00 -
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When I started today the basketball goal was ten feet off the ground. Now, it's just a foot and a half and I can look straight down the pipe without jumping! (I thought I'd never be able to slam dunk!)
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Capsups
Requiem Knowledge
80
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Posted - 2016.02.11 08:17:26 -
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PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game
Alea wrote:PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game Since SP trading seems to have gone over so well with the instant gratification kiddies it's just a matter of time before a more blatant pay to win scheme is implemented. The Eve we used to know and love is dying a very slow embarrassing death.
So what's the difference between SP injection and the character bazaar? If an instant gratification kiddie had enough ISK before, they could still buy a perfect titan pilot as easy as they can now. SP injection just gives more granular control over what skills your character is going to have in the end. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26935
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Posted - 2016.02.11 11:00:08 -
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Capsups wrote:So what's the difference between SP injection and the character bazaar? You can't buy SP on the character bazaar; you can't even pick and choose what skills you want; you can't change what your character can do. All of those limitations are a good thing.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2016.02.11 11:46:39 -
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Capsups wrote:they could still buy a perfect titan pilot as easy as they can now.
As easy? No that's a lie that the new SP packs are equivalent to the Char bazaar. Char bazaar came with a whole slew of downsides to put people off, now??? Now SP trading could not be any easier, I'm beginning to see it as a cash grab by CCP before they close down everything.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Barrett Fruitcake
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2016.02.11 11:56:27 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Capsups wrote:they could still buy a perfect titan pilot as easy as they can now. As easy? No that's a lie that the new SP packs are equivalent to the Char bazaar. Char bazaar came with a whole slew of downsides to put people off, now??? Now SP trading could not be any easier, I'm beginning to see it as a cash grab by CCP before they close down everything.
It would be interesting to see the statistics for new customer generation/retention, existing customer retention, and the actual number of "Real" customers and not just "Subs" with percentage of active/inactive accounts.
If new customer generation/retention is tanking and existing customers are cutting back or leaving,...,
That would not be good.
One issue with this game seems to be new players thinking it is too late to give it a try because the either it is in its twilight, or it is too hard to become competitive.
Its a perception, not a fact.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26945
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Posted - 2016.02.11 12:41:08 -
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Barrett Fruitcake wrote:One issue with this game seems to be new players thinking it is too late to give it a try because the either it is in its twilight, or it is too hard to become competitive.
Its a perception, not a fact. Yeah. The perception of a GÇ£can't catch upGÇ¥ situation in the game is probably very high up on the list of reasons why new players have been reticent to try EVE, even when they're interested in the general concept of the game.
I can't imaging hearing the stories of how rich old players now have it even easier to GÇ£get aheadGÇ¥ than ever before would improve that perception. The character bazaar was already a pretty bad argument since it didn't address the core concern and only really shifted the complaint from GÇ£can't catch upGÇ¥ to GÇ£oh, it's P2W.GÇ¥ Doubling down on that mechanism by offering even more ability to skip progress with cash hardly improves the already flawed argument.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2016.02.11 13:11:35 -
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Tippia wrote:Barrett Fruitcake wrote:One issue with this game seems to be new players thinking it is too late to give it a try because the either it is in its twilight, or it is too hard to become competitive.
Its a perception, not a fact. Yeah. The perception of a GÇ£can't catch upGÇ¥ situation in the game is probably very high up on the list of reasons why new players have been reticent to try EVE, even when they're interested in the general concept of the game. I can't imaging hearing the stories of how rich old players now have it even easier to GÇ£get aheadGÇ¥ than ever before would improve that perception. The character bazaar was already a pretty bad argument since it didn't address the core concern and only really shifted the complaint from GÇ£can't catch upGÇ¥ to GÇ£oh, it's P2W.GÇ¥ Doubling down on that mechanism by offering even more ability to skip progress with cash hardly improves the already flawed argument.
Breaking that perception is probably the biggest change that would draw in new players that CCP could make. It's possibly why they're aiming for frigs and dessies as the most useful (for general pvp) hulls; so that new players can max their frigate and be caught up fairly quickly in that area. How you actually break that perception is tough but perhaps it could be done with even better insurance on T1 hulls, like you would be able to insure the complete fit ship for pvp or whatever to make it easier for newbs to get involved. T1 ships are quick to train into and improved insurance to lower further the isk loss would make T1 an obvious choice for newbies.
Edit: obviously capitals would not be included in this as not many newbs fly capitals, bigger better ships should have the attached isk loss they do already to penalise using them.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1459
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Posted - 2016.02.11 15:21:14 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Lan Wang wrote: are you coming to do pirate things now?
Surely one must learn to undock first before taking the leap into piratehood And, how long does it take to hop in a battleship in terms of training? You know people don't have the patience to wait until they're good and ready.
Not sure about a BS. But I killed a Talos flown by a 6-day-old character the other day. The fit was priceless. Dual-tanked, propless, with 8x 200mm ACs.
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Kaivar Lancer
Placid Peace Corps
718
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Posted - 2016.02.11 15:34:13 -
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PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game
Um, who cares? If it brings more newbies up to par with vets in order to PVP , I'm all for it. (and I say that as a PVPer and lowsec dweller). |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1897
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Posted - 2016.02.11 21:27:02 -
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Generally if people want to tool around wasting time and money transferring SP about and losing half it its "meh who cares".
The only point this will ever be a game balance issue is if certain entities start spending mega dollars on skill extraction alliance wide for doctrinal reasons. There is no sign of that happening at the moment. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26989
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:42:07 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Um, who cares? If it brings more newbies up to par with vets in order to PVP , I'm all for it. (and I say that as a PVPer and lowsec dweller). It doesn't. Not a single newbie will be made on par with vets in PvP through this change. It only benefits veterans, for the same reason as always.
Hasikan Miallok wrote:The only point this will ever be a game balance issue is if certain entities start spending mega dollars on skill extraction alliance wide for doctrinal reasons. There is no sign of that happening at the moment. Probably because no doctrine changes are happening. When the details of the cap revamp become finalised, you'll probably see a lot more of that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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PsiMin
The Warp Core Stabilizers Tactical Narcotics Team
46
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Posted - 2016.02.12 16:50:10 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game Do you sell characters?
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2932
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Posted - 2016.02.12 17:08:41 -
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PsiMin wrote:Quote "I started with 12.5+ million sp today and now have 21+ million sp"
Its a choice that CCP has decided to do but it Makes a mockery of the time like myself and others have invested from 2003 in this game when chars can jump up so fast.
SP is not everything as experience is also a factor but when a 1 day old char can jump in and fly a titan (highest class Ship) where as it would normally take around 180days with average implants it does not say much about the game Doesn't really matter what he's squatting in. I'm sure if I ran into a day old player in a maxed orthrus, it wouldn't be hard to use his inexperience against him.
If anything, sp injection will truly show who has skills and who has points.
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