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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26998
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:42:01 -
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Aiwha wrote:Why the time limit? Because we're talking about highsec ganking, numbnuts.
Quote:If you spend 1b, and the target spends 7b, that's ALL the risk on their end. No. So we can conclude that, not only do you not understand what highsec is, you are also wholly ignorant of the concept of risk.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17362
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:42:05 -
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Aiwha wrote: Why the time limit?
This little problem called concord. |
Alexis Nightwish
405
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:46:33 -
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elitatwo wrote:So just out of curiousity, does the Golem now get 3 or 4 more lowslots so that hull tanking is even between all marauders? Nah this just makes the Kronos slightly less ****.
CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
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Fixing bombs, not the bombers
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2918
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:46:35 -
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baltec1 wrote:You are arguing with the corp that founded that organisation. im quoting the dudes in charge (or formally involved) with that organization. |
Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
29
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:46:43 -
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Rowells wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:
Warr akini used to run 13 ratting carriers to fund miniluv and burned out getting miniluv back in shape after Globby. You're dumb :getout:
maybe you should read the rest of the paragraph. Both of them if you're feelin smart.
Never change FCON, never change. One day you won't be protected from high sec ganking and it will be glorious.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
933
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:48:18 -
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If you have a problem with concord, come to nullsec! There is no concord here! Or, you know, accept that ganking's inherent risk is from the fact that the profit margins are slim and based entirely on whether the loot fairy likes you or not. Option C, staying on the forums to whine is also available I suppose.
Again, it requires a little more risk than humping gates in highsec, but I'm sure you guys can get there!
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2918
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:48:40 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Rowells wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:
Warr akini used to run 13 ratting carriers to fund miniluv and burned out getting miniluv back in shape after Globby. You're dumb :getout:
maybe you should read the rest of the paragraph. Both of them if you're feelin smart. Never change FCON, never change. One day you won't be protected from high sec ganking and it will be glorious. protected from what? FCON loses freighters and jf on a regular basis. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27000
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:51:42 -
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Aiwha wrote:If you have a problem with concord, come to nullsec! So you agree, then that ISK tanking is a profoundly stupid idea, seeing as how you can't think of any argument to support it.
Good, that's settled then.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
309
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:52:23 -
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Jin Kugu wrote: Warr akini used to run 13 ratting carriers to fund miniluv and burned out getting miniluv back in shape after Globby. You're dumb :getout:
Globby (apparently) returned the stolen goods. Also, how can what you say and this quote by baltec "Miniluv does have a budget they have to stick to. Overall they are a profitable organisation." (source) be true? Someone must be lying. |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
139
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:52:35 -
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Rowells wrote: protected from what? FCON loses freighters and jf on a regular basis.
Well when you have an alliance swear jar fund I guess you can loose them a lot.
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
"DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
725
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:57:08 -
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Challenge accepted.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17365
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:57:14 -
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Rowells wrote:baltec1 wrote:You are arguing with the corp that founded that organisation. im quoting the dudes in charge (or formally involved) with that organization.
Misquoting. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
934
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:57:45 -
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Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:If you have a problem with concord, come to nullsec! So you agree, then that ISK tanking is a profoundly stupid idea, seeing as how you can't think of any argument to support it, and instead point to a part of space where it has been rightly shot in the face as an example of how things should work. Good, that's settled then.
Its ridiculous because of the isk ratio. I'd trade 1b to kill 7b in a heartbeat.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Skyrider Deathknight
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:00:06 -
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Will the compensation skills now affect the passive resist on these new damage controls? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17365
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:00:08 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Jin Kugu wrote: Warr akini used to run 13 ratting carriers to fund miniluv and burned out getting miniluv back in shape after Globby. You're dumb :getout:
Globby (apparently) returned the stolen goods ( source), or a part of them. Also, how can what you say and this quote by baltec "Miniluv does have a budget they have to stick to. Overall they are a profitable organisation." ( source) be true? Someone must be lying.
That was a year ago. Ganking was nerfed since then. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16249
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:00:20 -
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Aiwha wrote: Its ridiculous because of the isk ratio. I'd trade 1b to kill 7b in a heartbeat.
The ratio is only there is the person piloting the freighter makes a series of bad decisions. But then that's what carebears are all about, that there shouldn't be any penalties for playing the game wrong.
Well, now there really aren't.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
30
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:00:39 -
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Aiwha wrote:Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:If you have a problem with concord, come to nullsec! So you agree, then that ISK tanking is a profoundly stupid idea, seeing as how you can't think of any argument to support it, and instead point to a part of space where it has been rightly shot in the face as an example of how things should work. Good, that's settled then. Its ridiculous because of the isk ratio. I'd trade 1b to kill 7b in a heartbeat.
Then do it. Drop dreads on JFs if high sec ganking isn't your thing.
e: btw we would have to spend a lot more than the value of an insured dread to kill JFs now |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
934
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:02:27 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aiwha wrote: Its ridiculous because of the isk ratio. I'd trade 1b to kill 7b in a heartbeat.
The ratio is only there is the person piloting the freighter makes a series of bad decisions. But then that's what carebears are all about, that there shouldn't be any penalties for playing the game wrong. Well, now there really aren't.
Just undocking an empty freighter in highsec isn't a bad decision.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27001
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:04:35 -
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Aiwha wrote:Its ridiculous because of the isk ratio. I'd trade 1b to kill 7b in a heartbeat. What's ridiculous about it?
And you should be able to make that trade (well, actually, you'd have to make it 1:9 or so before it makes any sense), but you'd be really hard-pressed to do so because of the horrible balancing in place at the moment.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
309
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:05:26 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Jin Kugu wrote: Warr akini used to run 13 ratting carriers to fund miniluv and burned out getting miniluv back in shape after Globby. You're dumb :getout:
Globby (apparently) returned the stolen goods ( source), or a part of them. Also, how can what you say and this quote by baltec "Miniluv does have a budget they have to stick to. Overall they are a profitable organisation." ( source) be true? Someone must be lying. That was a year ago. Ganking was nerfed since then. Lol. BTW, what happened with your 'stop whining and adapt / bring more folks / organise' attitude. I see nothing but your whines for past several pages. At least you nullbears should have no issues bringing more bodies to the field. |
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2918
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:05:30 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rowells wrote:baltec1 wrote:You are arguing with the corp that founded that organisation. im quoting the dudes in charge (or formally involved) with that organization. Misquoting. oh is it? I believe its quite clear what they are saying. I even linked the source for you. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16249
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:06:26 -
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Aiwha wrote: Just undocking an empty freighter in highsec isn't a bad decision.
Not escorting your billion isk capital ship is.
And besides, we were talking about seven billion, not one. If it's empty, then why are you crying about the isk ratio?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
934
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:07:09 -
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Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:Its ridiculous because of the isk ratio. I'd trade 1b to kill 7b in a heartbeat. What's ridiculous about it? And you should be able to make that trade (well, actually, you'd have to make it 1:9 or so before it makes any sense), but you'd be really hard-pressed to do so because of the horrible balancing in place at the moment.
So you won't do anything without a 1:7 edge? That's not carebearish at all.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17367
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:07:27 -
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So why should the obelisk be getting 157,000 more ehp? What evidence is there that freighters need this kind of buff? |
Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
625
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:09:43 -
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Yeah, where is my gank buff that is paired with my bowhead and orca being made redundant?
Ah well, gave up ganking anyway. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27002
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:10:09 -
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Aiwha wrote:So you won't do anything without a 1:7 edge? What GÇ£edgeGÇ¥? We're talking about ship costs here. You seem to be very confused about what that concept means.
And could you answer the question? What's ridiculous about the ISK ratio?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2918
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:11:21 -
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Aiwha wrote:Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:Its ridiculous because of the isk ratio. I'd trade 1b to kill 7b in a heartbeat. What's ridiculous about it? And you should be able to make that trade (well, actually, you'd have to make it 1:9 or so before it makes any sense), but you'd be really hard-pressed to do so because of the horrible balancing in place at the moment. So you won't do anything without a 1:7 edge? That's not carebearish at all. ISK doesn't matter much with a kill. People tend to forget their is a unofficial fee of skill and awareness that they must also pay, otherwise someone else pays it, and gets to have their way with you.
You play it smart, and 7bil will last a very long time. You play like you unsub tomorrow, it might last you a few minutes. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2918
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:12:39 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Yeah, where is my gank buff that is paired with my bowhead and orca being made redundant?
Ah well, gave up ganking anyway. fozzie says freighter wreck EHP, which means higher loot safety. But idk how you would compare the two. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
934
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:13:03 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aiwha wrote: Just undocking an empty freighter in highsec isn't a bad decision.
Not escorting your billion isk capital ship is. And besides, we were talking about seven billion, not one. If it's empty, then why are you crying about the isk ratio?
Because if it dies the pilot is out 5b after insurance. If somebody is risking 5b in highsec, I expect their attackers to match that risk before they can reap any rewards.
To kill bigger ships, you need more smaller ships. That's how ganking works. If this displeases you, come down and fight with the rest of us in lowsec/nullsec. You don't even have to be part of a tidi blob like mine to enjoy null, fucktons of smaller groups doing fun things out here.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17367
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:14:03 -
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Rowells wrote: oh is it? I believe its quite clear what they are saying. I even linked the source for you.
Said link said the ships stolen were gathering dust. Yes, they were in storage for burn jita and had be bought by one guy, not miniluv.
Seriously, you are talking to the corp that helped found it, ran with it for all the time it has been operating and are good friends with the leadership of it still. Its true that warr has gone and grinded up an utter fortune to fun this project, we lowered our taxes for him to do it. It doesn't make the heaps of isk you think it does. RFF's profits utterly dwarf those of miniluv. |
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