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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:15:34 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rowells wrote: oh is it? I believe its quite clear what they are saying. I even linked the source for you.
Said link said the ships stolen were gathering dust. Yes, they were in storage for burn jita and had be bought by one guy, not miniluv. Seriously, you are talking to the corp that helped found it, ran with it for all the time it has been operating and are good friends with the leadership of it still. Its true that warr has gone and grinded up an utter fortune to fun this project, we lowered our taxes for him to do it. It doesn't make the heaps of isk you think it does. RFF's profits utterly dwarf those of miniluv. i never said heaps of isk. didn't mention any value at all. my initial response was to the claims of "break even" and "0 profit". |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4965
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:16:34 -
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16249
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:19:18 -
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Aiwha wrote: Because if it dies the pilot is out 5b after insurance. If somebody is risking 5b in highsec, I expect their attackers to match that risk before they can reap any rewards.
Oh, I get it, you're crying about the already nigh invincible jump freighters.
You do realize that they're supposed to die, right? Just because you spent a bunch of money on it shouldn't stop you from dying if you behave stupidly. Especially with something that is almost completely invincible anyway.
Quote: To kill bigger ships, you need more smaller ships. That's how ganking works. If this displeases you, come down and fight with the rest of us in lowsec/nullsec. You don't even have to be part of a tidi blob like mine to enjoy null, fucktons of smaller groups doing fun things out here.
No. Risk is supposed to exist in highsec, especially for playstyles that would otherwise have zero risk at all. Or at least it was supposed to, but then we'll see how well that works out for them in the end.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
31
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:19:57 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Jin Kugu wrote: Warr akini used to run 13 ratting carriers to fund miniluv and burned out getting miniluv back in shape after Globby. You're dumb :getout:
Globby (apparently) returned the stolen goods ( source), or a part of them. Also, how can what you say and this quote by baltec "Miniluv does have a budget they have to stick to. Overall they are a profitable organisation." ( source) be true? Someone must be lying. That was a year ago. Ganking was nerfed since then. Lol. BTW, what happened with your 'stop whining and adapt / bring more folks / organise' attitude. I see nothing but your whines for past several pages. At least you nullbears should have no issues bringing more bodies to the field.
Let me explain it to you with what happend after the exhumer buffs.
The meta shifted to where everyone in a hulk or mack was so vulnerable compared to skiffs and procurers that everyone not in a skiff got ganked. Now we have ice belts full of skiffs and no more interesting gamepley around miner ganking.
Miners still get ganked occasionally but there are no more ice interdictions, hulkageddons or any actually interesting stories. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27002
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:20:04 -
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Aiwha wrote:Because if it dies the pilot is out 5b after insurance. If somebody is risking 5b in highsec, I expect their attackers to match that risk before they can reap any rewards. GǪbut again, that just demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of risk.
Quote:To kill bigger ships, you need more smaller ships. That's how ganking works. GǪand that's all well and fine as long as you don't try to enforce some idiotic ISK tanking concept to the whole affair, since that forcibly means that you have removed all balance from the game.
Quote:The isk ratio is ridiculous because 1:7 fights are considered noteworthy achievements. Not really, no. It just means that one side brought expensive ships (or cargo) for some reason or another. It tells us nothing about there being any kind of problem GÇö indeed, if anything it suggests that there might be some semblance of balance there since simply having an expensive ship does not create any guarantees.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
934
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:21:50 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aiwha wrote: Because if it dies the pilot is out 5b after insurance. If somebody is risking 5b in highsec, I expect their attackers to match that risk before they can reap any rewards.
Oh, I get it, you're crying about the already nigh invincible jump freighters. You do realize that they're supposed to die, right? Just because you spent a bunch of money on it shouldn't stop you from dying if you behave stupidly. Especially with something that is almost completely invincible anyway. Quote: To kill bigger ships, you need more smaller ships. That's how ganking works. If this displeases you, come down and fight with the rest of us in lowsec/nullsec. You don't even have to be part of a tidi blob like mine to enjoy null, fucktons of smaller groups doing fun things out here.
No. Risk is supposed to exist in highsec, especially for playstyles that would otherwise have zero risk at all. Or at least it was supposed to, but then we'll see how well that works out for them in the end.
I know that. I've lost JF's to stupidity before. Poor descisions make for dead ships.
And EVE always has risk. I'm saying that gankers need to take risks to reap rewards. You want to kill a freighter in highsec, you'd better be willing to risk a bunch of ships to do it.
I understand risk fine. You don't want any of it.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16249
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:22:40 -
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Aiwha wrote: The isk ratio is ridiculous because 1:7 fights are considered noteworthy achievements.
Why should your e-honor have any reflection on game balance?
Quote: If every suicide gank is 1:7 in value, there's a problem with suicide ganking.
So then there isn't a problem with suicide ganking.
Nevermind that how profitable it is comes down to bad choices being made on the part of the haulers, the single most lazy, effort free playstyle that exists in the MMO industry.
Why should we be nerfed because people keep handing us profitable cargo? Why should deliberately playing the game badly be justification to nerf the other guy?
Quote: You're riskaverse as ****.
No we're not, that's just projection on your part. The risk averse are, and continue to be, the people who think that being afk in a billion isk ship should not have consequences just because it's expensive.
You.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16249
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:24:34 -
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Aiwha wrote: I know that. I've lost JF's to stupidity before. Poor descisions make for dead ships.
And now it doesn't.
Quote: And EVE always has risk.
Highsec won't, after this.
Quote: I understand risk fine. .
No you don't. You think isk tanking should be how highsec works, you don't have the first clue about risk.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17371
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:26:16 -
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Aiwha wrote: You want to kill a freighter in highsec, you'd better be willing to risk a bunch of ships to do it.
That already happens. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
934
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:27:10 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aiwha wrote: The isk ratio is ridiculous because 1:7 fights are considered noteworthy achievements.
Why should your e-honor have any reflection on game balance? Quote: If every suicide gank is 1:7 in value, there's a problem with suicide ganking.
So then there isn't a problem with suicide ganking. Nevermind that how profitable it is comes down to bad choices being made on the part of the haulers, the single most lazy, effort free playstyle that exists in the MMO industry. Why should we be nerfed because people keep handing us profitable cargo? Why should deliberately playing the game badly be justification to nerf the other guy? Quote: You're riskaverse as ****.
No we're not, that's just projection on your part. The risk averse are, and continue to be, the people who think that being afk in a billion isk ship should not have consequences just because it's expensive. You.
Yeah, I don't afk in anything but a noobship or shuttle in a noobcorp. Even then I don't afk unless I'm not really concerned whether or not I get to where I need to go today. You're a highsec player whining about highsec being too risky for you. You might lose isk doing something! THATS BAD!
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27004
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:27:51 -
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Aiwha wrote:I understand risk fine.. No.
If you did, you'd very easily spot the huge risks for the ganker(s) compared to the utterly minute risks for the freighter pilot, rather than incorrectly think the opposite is true based on ship cost.
Quote:You're a highsec player whining about highsec being too risky for you. You might lose isk doing something! THATS BAD! Again, you're projecting the constant whinging and demands for never-ending nerfs from a segment of AFK players onto the people who are about as far removed from those players and their opinions as one could possibly be.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16249
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:29:43 -
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Aiwha wrote: Yeah, I don't afk in anything but a noobship or shuttle in a noobcorp.
And? All I see is that you are here arguing for afk flying to be much, much safer than it presently is.
Quote: You're a highsec player whining about highsec being too risky for you.
Nothing of the sort. The problem is that highsec is about to get a lot less risky, not more.
Quote: You might lose isk doing something! THATS BAD!
The projection here is really just funny. You're the one saying that you should be safer, not I.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Very Aggressive Reacharound
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:33:45 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:What a time to be Gallente
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ever since fozzie took over it's been great to fly gallente he has made it the best line of ships while nerfing minmatar and caldar.. basically he doesn't know how to play this game and does everything to make it battle ball f1 monkey as much as possible.. he'll do anything to kill kiting and good piloting.
also he is secret leader of gallente militia which is why all his changes are single handedly used to destroy the caldari militia it's why they've been at tier 1 for like 3 years. |
Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
625
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:36:23 -
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Rowells wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:Yeah, where is my gank buff that is paired with my bowhead and orca being made redundant?
Ah well, gave up ganking anyway. fozzie says freighter wreck EHP, which means higher loot safety. But idk how you would compare the two.
No, see this thread mentioned how the freighter wreck buff compensates for the freighter ehp nerf.
Bowhead/orca being made redundant would appear to be an uncompensated nerf... |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
934
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:38:05 -
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AFK flying is unsafe as it always has been. Not only do you have to sit bumpable for your align time like a normal person, but then crawling to your out gate? One bumping stabber and you're not going anywhere till you're dead or they get bored. Highsec is getting a little less risky for freighter pilots, a little more risky for gankers. Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk. Hence, this thread.
God, if CCP turned off CONCORD for a few days, you guys would lose your marbles.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
31
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:38:39 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Rowells wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:Yeah, where is my gank buff that is paired with my bowhead and orca being made redundant?
Ah well, gave up ganking anyway. fozzie says freighter wreck EHP, which means higher loot safety. But idk how you would compare the two. No, see this thread mentioned how the freighter wreck buff compensates for the freighter ehp nerf. Bowhead/orca being made redundant would appear to be an uncompensated nerf...
Not to mention that moving concord became a whole lot more difficult when they nerfed hyperdunking.
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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
881
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:41:38 -
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ITT delicious ganker tears over the fact they need to get a few more catalysts or talos.
What is more worrying is another buff to the tristan, now even the non DC full kiting version probably has as many HP as most brawling frigs. In the frigate PVP meta even a tiny change to HP is substantial to the outcomes and this is basically a buff to gallente while being a nerf to Minmatar unless structure HP is going to be changed to be more in line between races or shield/armor HP adjusted to compensate. |
Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
31
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:41:52 -
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Aiwha wrote:AFK flying is unsafe as it always has been. Not only do you have to sit bumpable for your align time like a normal person, but then crawling to your out gate? One bumping stabber and you're not going anywhere till you're dead or they get bored. Highsec is getting a little less risky for freighter pilots, a little more risky for gankers. Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk. Hence, this thread.
God, if CCP turned off CONCORD for a few days, you guys would lose your marbles.
What are you talking about?
Anyway, removing concord would remove ganking. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16250
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:42:12 -
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Aiwha wrote:AFK flying is unsafe as it always has been.
No it isn't.
It's demonstrably more safe now than it ever has been before, and it's about to get a whole lot safer.
Quote: Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk.
Do you think that if you repeat this lie often enough, it will stop being a lie?
Or do you really totally discount the decade of tears from haulers who think they should have even less risk in their functionally risk free gameplay?
The problem is that sloppy, lazy gameplay is already too safe, and it's about to get a lot safer.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17372
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:42:31 -
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Aiwha wrote:AFK flying is unsafe as it always has been. Not only do you have to sit bumpable for your align time like a normal person, but then crawling to your out gate? One bumping stabber and you're not going anywhere till you're dead or they get bored. Highsec is getting a little less risky for freighter pilots, a little more risky for gankers. Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk. Hence, this thread.
Freighters already have a less than 0.1% chance of getting killed, why do they need even more safety? |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16250
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:44:13 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aiwha wrote:AFK flying is unsafe as it always has been. Not only do you have to sit bumpable for your align time like a normal person, but then crawling to your out gate? One bumping stabber and you're not going anywhere till you're dead or they get bored. Highsec is getting a little less risky for freighter pilots, a little more risky for gankers. Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk. Hence, this thread.
Freighters already have a less than 0.1% chance of getting killed, why do they need even more safety?
Well duh. Because that chance isn't zero, and because the poor afk carebear spent so much isk on it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17372
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:44:19 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote: What is more worrying is another buff to the tristan, now even the non DC full kiting version probably has as many HP as most brawling frigs. In the frigate PVP meta even a tiny change to HP is substantial to the outcomes and this is basically a buff to gallente while being a nerf to Minmatar unless structure HP is going to be changed to be more in line between races or shield/armor HP adjusted to compensate.
Breacher is more of a worry in my book. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27005
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:48:05 -
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Aiwha wrote:Highsec is getting a little less risky for freighter pilots, a little more risky for gankers. No. Highsec is getting a lot less risky for freigther pilots (and it's already close to zero risk), and a fair bit more risky for gankers because their costs go up. This is supposed to be balanced against the increased odds of keeping the loot, but isn't really, and there's nothing to counterbalance the massive risk reduction on the freighter side.
Quote:Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk. Hence, this thread. No. Gankers are rightfully being annoyed that they're on the receiving end of yet another nerf for no apparent reason. Some of us freighter pilots are also annoyed because we're being handed a ridiculous buff for no apparent reason. This thread is about presenting that buff and asking for feedback on it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
934
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:54:21 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:ITT delicious ganker tears over the fact they need to get a few more catalysts or talos.
What is more worrying is another buff to the tristan, now even the non DC full kiting version probably has as many HP as most brawling frigs. In the frigate PVP meta even a tiny change to HP is substantial to the outcomes and this is basically a buff to gallente while being a nerf to Minmatar unless structure HP is going to be changed to be more in line between races or shield/armor HP adjusted to compensate.
Yeah, but that's the sort of thing you need to test/play with on sisi. Especially when paired with the point re-balance. The frig meta kind of just got thrown in the blender. (Mr.Hyde strikes before he's even on the CSM)
Can't say I'm going to miss scram kiting frigates though. I prefer a straight brawl.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Stalker Ofeveryone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:58:24 -
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To the kids saying "ganking is over, it's safe to autopilot in a freighter" - go for it. People made the same claims when low and rig slots were released for freighters.... They're still ganked every day. The more EDP ships get, the more we'll throw at a target. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
938
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Posted - 2016.02.12 03:00:19 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aiwha wrote:AFK flying is unsafe as it always has been.
No it isn't. It's demonstrably more safe now than it ever has been before, and it's about to get a whole lot safer. Quote: Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk.
Do you think that if you repeat this lie often enough, it will stop being a lie? Or do you really totally discount the decade of tears from haulers who think they should have even less risk in their functionally risk free gameplay? The problem is that sloppy, lazy gameplay is already too safe, and it's about to get a lot safer.
I don't have to lie, this entire thread has been 90% gankers whining about having to undock a few more Talos. Its like the CODE AT ragequit on steroids. The people really suffering are those trying to give feedback on the actual meta implications of ships no longer needing to fit a DCU. Which I'm guilty of too, but ganker tears are just a little too delicious. I assume the thread will get trimmed and their stuff will get back to the devs though.
:tinfoil: "Highsec is 100% safe for freighters" is a false flag to lull people into a false sense of security!
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1876
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Posted - 2016.02.12 03:00:28 -
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Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:Highsec is getting a little less risky for freighter pilots, a little more risky for gankers. No. Highsec is getting a lot less risky for freigther pilots (and it's already close to zero risk), and a fair bit more risky for gankers because their costs go up. This is supposed to be balanced against the increased odds of keeping the loot, but isn't really, and there's nothing to counterbalance the massive risk reduction on the freighter side. Quote:Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk. Hence, this thread. No. Gankers are rightfully being annoyed that they're on the receiving end of yet another nerf for no apparent reason. Some of us freighter pilots are also annoyed because we're being handed a ridiculous buff for no apparent reason. This thread is about presenting that buff and asking for feedback on it.
The people who really suffer from this are competent freighter pilots.
It only benefits freighter pilots who were bad enough to get ganked in the first place. Increasing the gank threshold reduces the number of situations where a competent freighter pilot will skate by, but an incompetent one will not, reducing the skill gap between the good pilot and the bottom 0.1% of bads.
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Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
228
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Posted - 2016.02.12 03:04:31 -
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My biggest question after reading this, and digging through forum posts, is this:
What do you hope to achieve with this update? What does it really do for us? Aside from being a make-work project, with the potential for breaking some very well-established and not-at-all-problematic game mechanics, why change this (and is the reason good enough to justify going through with it). |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
141
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Posted - 2016.02.12 03:05:09 -
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100% Tidi lag fests require more input than AFK hisec indy ganking. Don't kid yourselves into thinking what you are doing even scratches the surface of pvp.
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
938
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Posted - 2016.02.12 03:05:16 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Aiwha wrote:AFK flying is unsafe as it always has been. Not only do you have to sit bumpable for your align time like a normal person, but then crawling to your out gate? One bumping stabber and you're not going anywhere till you're dead or they get bored. Highsec is getting a little less risky for freighter pilots, a little more risky for gankers. Gankers are throwing a shitfit because they can't stand risk. Hence, this thread.
God, if CCP turned off CONCORD for a few days, you guys would lose your marbles. What are you talking about? Anyway, removing concord would remove ganking.
Yeah, because gankers wouldn't undock. Most highsec people wouldn't either, but there's a reason they're in highsec.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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