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Globby
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:13:05 -
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lol every response to me thus far has been "cry more" or "no you" |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17323
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:14:06 -
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Globby wrote:lol every response to me thus far has been "cry more" or "no you"
Its almost as if they cant justify this change.
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
18
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:15:32 -
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miniluv + code have how many thousands of players /alts to draw on for freighter ganking? get more bodies . as was stated in another thread, theres no shortage of 'dumb' freighter pilots who fit triple cargo expanders jumping into uedama/niarja every day wi multi billion isk loads , or has that suddenly changed in the last few days? |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
916
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:15:43 -
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Globby wrote:lol every response to me thus far has been "cry more" or "no you"
Because "bring more people" will just be met with even more tears.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4960
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:16:26 -
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Are NPCs getting the +33% hull resist buff as well?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Sasha Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling CODE.
43
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:17:45 -
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You know I'm glad that freighters are getting more ehp. My freighter convoy will now be 50% more ethical.I would like to remind everyone that Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling is the one and only ethical hauling corp in New Eden. With this 50% increase in ethics I believe We're going to raise our collateral limit to 100b. |
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
300
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:18:36 -
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Globby wrote:lol every response to me thus far has been "cry more" or "no you" Are you surprised? |
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
300
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:19:22 -
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baltec1 wrote:Globby wrote:lol every response to me thus far has been "cry more" or "no you" Its almost as if they cant justify this change. "Bring more friends and stop whining" |
bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
20
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:20:20 -
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baltec1 wrote:Globby wrote:lol every response to me thus far has been "cry more" or "no you" Its almost as if they cant justify this change.
as i already stated in an earlier post, if freighter wreck hp is increased from 500 hp to 15000 hp then its totally logical for freighter hp to be increased also, tho admittedly 30 x freighter hp might be a little ott |
Avon Salinder
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:22:04 -
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Doesn't matter how many hit points freighters get, mach's keep bumping 'em indefinitely. Might just take another wave of cats to take one down is all. Sure, it'll cost more to get the job done but hey, those freighter wrecks are hard to kill now. Despite this, responses seem to be either "this won't change anything, don't bother, we'll still gank everything" or "you're destroying ganking and therefore eve!1!".
Comedy. |
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Ylmar
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
12
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:22:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its based off red freights record over 221,333 contracts spanning 2,786,739 gate jumps in highsec. That 0.1% is the number of failed contracts. I cannot remember any requirement for all of New Eden's freighter pilots to register their cargo, flight routes or number of jumps with Red Frog Freight (kudos to RFF by the way). The Frogs also have all sorts or rules - highly reasonable, mind you - about where they go and the freight value they carry, so I am fairly certain, without being able to produce the data to prove it, that the well oiled machine that is Red Frog has a lower than average number of failed contracts. I do not believe that 0.1% is a representative number. |
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:22:07 -
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Berry Nice wrote:So let me get this straight:
Wreck shooting in highsec (mostly of freighers) was a very cheap, (less than 2 mil isk per thrasher) nearly impossible to counter method of destroying tens to hundreds of billions of loot. Fixing this to at least require more than 2 million (doable with 70 million now) was absolutely the right call.
But now freighters are (on top of previous EHP buffs over the years, and the addition of bulkheads) gained another 12-30% EHP no matter how they are fit.
Are you saying you fixing a broken mechanic (which only appeared in the last 3 months anyway) caused you to want to increase the EHP of freighters?
edit: let me say this
A fully bulkheaded anshar in a 0.5 would require just shy of 30 taloses to be ganked in a perfect situation. Not only is that 4-5 billion in ships, but you need 30 people, on standby, ready to do it.
I don't understand what the problem is.
Sounds like how things should work.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
423
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:25:41 -
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baltec1 wrote:Moac Tor wrote: Sorry but I am really struggling to have any sympathy. Go to 0.0/LS/WH space to PvP, or HTFU and bring a few more buddies if you want to gank a HS freighter. I don't mean to pick on your in particular Baltec as I know you are an experienced PvPer yourself, but I do get sick of these hypocritical HS gank whines, they just come across as self entitled rants complaining because they feel they have a god given right to be able to profitably gank a freighter in high sec with a couple of destroyers or battlecruisers.
This change is good for the game as a whole and makes PvP fitting a lot more interesting, that is what really matters.
Pirates go where the cargo is and the cargo is in highsec.. And so hopefully this will shift the balance with the profitable cargo now going to be in low/null/wh space, and so those HS gankers will have to step out of high sec and create some content in <0.5 space where they can be killed.
Sometimes you can roam around null and low sec and struggle to find anything to shoot at, then you go to high sec and realise why, because all the pirates are camping high sec gates whoring on juicy high sec freighters. Pirates have got fat and out of shape, they need to come back to low sec like the real pirates of the times gone by. *chuckles*
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
303
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:26:18 -
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Ganking will certainly continue. I'd be sorely dissapointed if they stopped now since it is still perfectly possible to kill freighters. One just needs 'more friends (tm)' which they - being emporium, should have no issues finding. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4962
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:27:22 -
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Are NPC ships also getting the +33% hull resists?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
920
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:27:22 -
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Moac Tor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Moac Tor wrote: Sorry but I am really struggling to have any sympathy. Go to 0.0/LS/WH space to PvP, or HTFU and bring a few more buddies if you want to gank a HS freighter. I don't mean to pick on your in particular Baltec as I know you are an experienced PvPer yourself, but I do get sick of these hypocritical HS gank whines, they just come across as self entitled rants complaining because they feel they have a god given right to be able to profitably gank a freighter in high sec with a couple of destroyers or battlecruisers.
This change is good for the game as a whole and makes PvP fitting a lot more interesting, that is what really matters.
Pirates go where the cargo is and the cargo is in highsec.. And so hopefully this will shift the balance with the profitable cargo now going to be in low/null/wh space, and so those HS gankers will have to step out of high sec and create some content in <0.5 space where they can be killed. Sometimes you can roam around null and low sec and struggle to find anything to shoot at, then you go to high sec and realise why, because all the pirates are camping high sec gates whoring on juicy high sec freighters. Pirates have got fat and out of shape, they need to come back to low sec like the real pirates of the times gone by. *chuckles*
Trump is making lowsec great again.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4298
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:31:00 -
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Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its based off red freights record over 221,333 contracts spanning 2,786,739 gate jumps in highsec. That 0.1% is the number of failed contracts. I cannot remember any requirement for all of New Eden's freighter pilots to register their cargo, flight routes or number of jumps with Red Frog Freight (kudos to RFF by the way). The Frogs also have all sorts or rules - highly reasonable, mind you - about where they go and the freight value they carry, so I am fairly certain, without being able to produce the data to prove it, that the well oiled machine that is Red Frog has a lower than average number of failed contracts. I do not believe that 0.1% is a representative number. It represents the chance of losing a freighter if you fly it competently.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17328
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:31:51 -
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bigbud skunkafella wrote:miniluv + code have how many thousands of players /alts to draw on for freighter ganking? get more bodies . as was stated in another thread, theres no shortage of 'dumb' freighter pilots who fit triple cargo expanders jumping into uedama/niarja every day wi multi billion isk loads , or has that suddenly changed in the last few days?
More ships needed means more cost which means to turn a profit you need to hit ships with more isk in their holds which means less targets out there which means less stuff blowing up.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
303
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:33:39 -
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baltec1 wrote: More ships needed means more cost which means to turn a profit you need to hit ships with more isk in their holds which means less targets out there which means less stuff blowing up.
Baltec, buddy... a) bring more friends b) use more expensive ships to gank c) adapt and stop whining. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17328
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:35:54 -
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Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its based off red freights record over 221,333 contracts spanning 2,786,739 gate jumps in highsec. That 0.1% is the number of failed contracts. I cannot remember any requirement for all of New Eden's freighter pilots to register their cargo, flight routes or number of jumps with Red Frog Freight (kudos to RFF by the way). The Frogs also have all sorts or rules - highly reasonable, mind you - about where they go and the freight value they carry, so I am fairly certain, without being able to produce the data to prove it, that the well oiled machine that is Red Frog has a lower than average number of failed contracts. I do not believe that 0.1% is a representative number.
It is. This is the risk you face when operating as RFF does and it is a very large data set. If anything it can be argued that freighters are too safe along with every other activity in highsec.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5674
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:36:32 -
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Look at some recent history, shall we:
CCP introduce options for freighter pilots, so they can choose more cargo space, faster acceleration, or more EHP, or in niche cases other choices. Generally a good change - one that gave real choices with real consequences for freighter pilots.
Now we see that work being undone by removing the consequences for ignoring EHP.
Freighters that are competently piloted and have a suitable escort (including scouts) are already unkillable in highsec outside freak occurences. It's only the lazy, the incompetent and the greedy that can be killed at all - most of all, the fools that believe a freighter is a ship designed for solo play.
CODE will adapt, I'm already brainstorming ways to do so and have several in mind. In fact I expect the week after this change goes live will be a bonanza as freighter pilots take bigger risks. The people that get screwed hardest by this are the people that produce freighters - I'd hate to have just purchased a researched Charon BPO.
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Creecher Virpio
Alcoholocaust. Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:36:36 -
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Globby wrote:
Let me ask you this, where was the buff for ganking when you removed hyperdunking? As you said, "[CCP] likes to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance" but there was no buff to ganking afterwards.
hyper dunking was never intended to be added to the game, it was an unintended game play mechanic/exploit that was kept around for a while, then removed. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17329
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:38:22 -
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Moac Tor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Moac Tor wrote: Sorry but I am really struggling to have any sympathy. Go to 0.0/LS/WH space to PvP, or HTFU and bring a few more buddies if you want to gank a HS freighter. I don't mean to pick on your in particular Baltec as I know you are an experienced PvPer yourself, but I do get sick of these hypocritical HS gank whines, they just come across as self entitled rants complaining because they feel they have a god given right to be able to profitably gank a freighter in high sec with a couple of destroyers or battlecruisers.
This change is good for the game as a whole and makes PvP fitting a lot more interesting, that is what really matters.
Pirates go where the cargo is and the cargo is in highsec.. And so hopefully this will shift the balance with the profitable cargo now going to be in low/null/wh space, and so those HS gankers will have to step out of high sec and create some content in <0.5 space where they can be killed. Sometimes you can roam around null and low sec and struggle to find anything to shoot at, then you go to high sec and realise why, because all the pirates are camping high sec gates whoring on juicy high sec freighters. Pirates have got fat and out of shape, they need to come back to low sec like the real pirates of the times gone by. *chuckles*
Why would a trader running between amarr and jita go to null?
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
21
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:38:36 -
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baltec1 wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:miniluv + code have how many thousands of players /alts to draw on for freighter ganking? get more bodies . as was stated in another thread, theres no shortage of 'dumb' freighter pilots who fit triple cargo expanders jumping into uedama/niarja every day wi multi billion isk loads , or has that suddenly changed in the last few days? More ships needed means more cost which means to turn a profit you need to hit ships with more isk in their holds which means less targets out there which means less stuff blowing up.
well its a damn good job that youve now got a guaranteed wreck to loot then innit ?
htfu i believe is the standard response to carebear whining...
would u like some cheese with that whine? |
Ylmar
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
13
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:38:47 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:It represents the chance of losing a freighter if you fly it competently. "Competently" as in using scouts and/or webber support? That does happen, but I know for a fact that many RFF pilots fly AFK using autopilot. Oh, and they bleed like the rest of us when they are cut. |
Morrigan LeSante
Senex Legio The OSS
1200
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:40:59 -
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Again with the fitting crazyness.
You're KILLING newbo fits here guys. Left right and centre. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4298
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:41:21 -
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Ylmar wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:It represents the chance of losing a freighter if you fly it competently. "Competently" as in using scouts and/or webber support? That does happen, but I know for a fact that many RFF pilots fly AFK using autopilot. Oh, and they bleed like the rest of us when they are cut. 'Competently' as in almost never getting ganked.
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Ylmar
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
13
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:43:36 -
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baltec1 wrote:If anything it can be argued that freighters are too safe along with every other activity in highsec. One can argue all sorts of things, like that shooting defenseless freighters is an expression of badly suppressed violent tendencies. That does not turn a personal opinion into factual truth. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17329
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:44:13 -
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Creecher Virpio wrote:Globby wrote:
Let me ask you this, where was the buff for ganking when you removed hyperdunking? As you said, "[CCP] likes to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance" but there was no buff to ganking afterwards.
hyper dunking was never intended to be added to the game, it was an unintended game play mechanic/exploit that was kept around for a while, then removed.
So how about when they buffed ship HP?
Or when the upped concord response times?
Or when they removed insurance?
Or when they upped faction police damage?
Or when they did crimewatch?
Or when they upped barge HP?
Or when they made concord tankable?
The shocking thing is I can keep on going with these nerfs and not a single one of these came with a buff.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2315
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:44:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:
also does it matter whether its profitable or whether uncle jimmy /mittens writes the welfare cheques , barges are still going pop in hisec on a regular basis.
Yes, the removal of entire professions and vast amounts of content in highsec does matter. Yes, it does. And it's good. Because now people will be more bored in High sec and move out to Low sec or Null sec to make these boring places more interesting and exciting.
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