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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:36:44 -
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k, swimming pool required, im fresh outta buckets...
+ 1 for dc tiericide |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
914
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:36:53 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:I really appreciate this buff to freighters, because they sure need it. They are the backbone of industry while being arguably one of the most boring 'professions' to do. It would be great if this trend would continue up until the broken mechanics are removed completely from the game (bumping, friendly webbing) and adding some fun factors for long route freighter hauls as well. That is for another topic, though Just one more nerf.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17334
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:38:27 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:I really appreciate this buff to freighters, because they sure need it. They are the backbone of industry while being arguably one of the most boring 'professions' to do. It would be great if this trend would continue up until the broken mechanics are removed completely from the game (bumping, friendly webbing) and adding some fun factors for long route freighter hauls as well. That is for another topic, though
You complain about it being a boring activity and that you want more fun factors yet here you are celebrating the continued removal of the only risk you are ever going to face. |
Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:40:55 -
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baltec1 wrote:Caroline Grace wrote:I really appreciate this buff to freighters, because they sure need it. They are the backbone of industry while being arguably one of the most boring 'professions' to do. It would be great if this trend would continue up until the broken mechanics are removed completely from the game (bumping, friendly webbing) and adding some fun factors for long route freighter hauls as well. That is for another topic, though You complain about it being a boring activity and that you want more fun factors yet here you are celebrating the continued removal of the only risk you are ever going to face.
I'm pretty sure more freighters die in low, null or to wardecks than to ganking.
Maybe she's just stoked she can get her freighter to rancer without getting ganked? |
Alexis Nightwish
405
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:41:39 -
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Querns wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Hendrink Collie wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Berry Nice wrote:So let me get this straight:
Wreck shooting in highsec (mostly of freighers) was a very cheap, (less than 2 mil isk per thrasher) nearly impossible to counter method of destroying tens to hundreds of billions of loot. Fixing this to at least require more than 2 million (doable with 70 million now) was absolutely the right call.
But now freighters are (on top of previous EHP buffs over the years, and the addition of bulkheads) gained another 12-30% EHP no matter how they are fit.
Are you saying you fixing a broken mechanic (which only appeared in the last 3 months anyway) caused you to want to increase the EHP of freighters?
edit: let me say this
A fully bulkheaded anshar in a 0.5 would require just shy of 30 taloses to be ganked in a perfect situation. Not only is that 4-5 billion in ships, but you need 30 people, on standby, ready to do it. Good... Yeah, I'm not seeing the issue here. You Should need 4-5 Billion to pop a ship in Highsec that's worth 8-9 Billion. Risk vs. Reward Freighters are only worth 1.something billion. JFs are less than 7. Lowest priced Anshar on EVE-Central is 7.5B (in Derelik) and a bit more in Jita. At least at the moment of this post.
CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
EVE Online's "I win!" Button
Fixing bombs, not the bombers
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
914
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:42:37 -
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50% ehp buff to hull though, damn.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17334
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:46:25 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:Lowest priced Anshar on EVE-Central is 7.5B (in Derelik) and a bit more in Jita. At least at the moment of this post.
Nomad is 6.85 in jita |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
139
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:46:53 -
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Normally I don't like things that make ships dying harder, but since CODE & friends are vomiting up such a froth of salty anguish I'll allow it.
I also echo the naming of the Syndicate DCU to 'Poitot'.
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
"DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
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Pix Severus
Empty You
2962
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:48:35 -
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Without risk there is no excitement, no danger, and no point to EVE. This is yet another step towards removing risk from highsec, and turning EVE into a generic risk-free MMO with designated PvE and PvP zones. We're on a slippery slope here, and it won't take much more to reach the bottom.
I will not support a change that leads to EVE becoming compartmentalised, and ultimately boring.
My lord.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26989
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:50:06 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alexis Nightwish wrote:Lowest priced Anshar on EVE-Central is 7.5B (in Derelik) and a bit more in Jita. At least at the moment of this post. Nomad is 6.85 in jita Not that it matters; the underlying argument is hideously wrong-headed to begin with.
Even if they cost north of 10bn, you shouldn't need more than maybe 1GÇô2bn worth of ships to kill them as a worst-case scenario. You should be easily able to get away with far less with a bit of forethought. ISK tanking is an abomination that needs to get shot in the face at every opportunity.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:54:33 -
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bigbud skunkafella wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding. So you say. I disagree. I guess the two shall never meet, but fortunately New Eden is big enough to cater for different playstyles. You are removing my playstyle. stop being a drama queen, how much profit does miniluv make from hisec ganking? having to bring a few more catas is 'removing your playstyle' ? LMAO!! can i has ur stuff?
Miniluv makes 0 profit.
Any loot we get goes back into ganking. We have a lot of months where we run a deficit. That means after thousands and thousands of hours of playing this terrible game we made negative isk. Before facturing in the cost of gankers having to plex their accounts.
If CCP fozzie wants to see the real numbers for freighter ganking maybe he should have asked. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
930
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:57:11 -
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Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Alexis Nightwish wrote:Lowest priced Anshar on EVE-Central is 7.5B (in Derelik) and a bit more in Jita. At least at the moment of this post. Nomad is 6.85 in jita Not that it matters; the underlying argument is hideously wrong-headed to begin with. Even if they cost north of 10bn, you shouldn't need more than maybe 1GÇô2bn worth of ships to kill them as a worst-case scenario. You should be easily able to get away with far less with a bit of forethought. ISK tanking is an abomination that needs to get shot in the face at every opportunity.
A rifter can solo a JF given enough time.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
139
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:57:18 -
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Jin Kugu wrote: If CCP fozzie wants to see the real numbers for freighter ganking maybe he should have asked.
Are you high? He has the raw numbers straight from the server.
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
"DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
328
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:57:54 -
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Aiwha wrote:Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Alexis Nightwish wrote:Lowest priced Anshar on EVE-Central is 7.5B (in Derelik) and a bit more in Jita. At least at the moment of this post. Nomad is 6.85 in jita Not that it matters; the underlying argument is hideously wrong-headed to begin with. Even if they cost north of 10bn, you shouldn't need more than maybe 1GÇô2bn worth of ships to kill them as a worst-case scenario. You should be easily able to get away with far less with a bit of forethought. ISK tanking is an abomination that needs to get shot in the face at every opportunity. A rifter can solo a JF given enough time.
Even with passive shield recharge? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17334
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:59:39 -
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Tippia wrote: Not that it matters; the underlying argument is hideously wrong-headed to begin with.
Even if they cost north of 10bn, you shouldn't need more than maybe 1GÇô2bn worth of ships to kill them as a worst-case scenario. You should be easily able to get away with far less with a bit of forethought. ISK tanking is an abomination that needs to get shot in the face at every opportunity.
Oh agreed. The hull cost of the target doesn't have any impact on the calculations made by the gankers, its the cargo they are interested in. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17334
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:01:15 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:
Even with passive shield recharge?
You have to beat 10hp/s |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
915
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:01:28 -
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At least nerf the JF hull ehp so that they are killable.
Because after this buff bulk anshars won't really be killable.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26990
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:01:30 -
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Aiwha wrote:A rifter can solo a JF given enough time. GǪin the parts of space where ISK tanking has been properly shot in the face.
But since we're talking about ganking in highsec, and about the mindblowingly idiotic notion that the cost of the ship lost should in some way be on part with what's needed to kill it in that part of space, no. They really can't.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
686
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:02:01 -
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baltec1 wrote:You complain about it being a boring activity and that you want more fun factors yet here you are celebrating the continued removal of the only risk you are ever going to face. You seem to be confused about the fact that risk is not the only fun thing you can design within EVE. Perhaps learning how to FC 40 Nados on a gate will be more fun to you too, instead of abusing broken mechanics. You sure seem to be upset about it, though.
Jin Kugu wrote:I'm pretty sure more freighters die in low, null or to wardecks than to ganking.
Maybe she's just stoked she can get her freighter to rancer without getting ganked? ...what? No idea what are you talking about, but I was talking about freighters in hisec.
I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite spaceship in the Citadel.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17334
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:05:59 -
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Caroline Grace wrote: You seem to be confused about the fact that risk is not the only fun thing you can design within EVE. Perhaps learning how to FC 40 Nados on a gate will be more fun to you too, instead of abusing broken mechanics. You sure seem to be upset about it, though.
What broken mechanics? |
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
931
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:A rifter can solo a JF given enough time. GǪin the parts of space where ISK tanking has been properly shot in the face. But since we're talking about ganking in highsec, and about the mindblowingly idiotic notion that the cost of the ship lost should in some way be on part with what's needed to kill it in that part of space, no. They really can't.
That's ********. You're ********. The entire point of CONCORD is to make killing random ships in highsec risky. If you want to blap a freighter, you'd better be willing to match the 1.2b that the owner put into their ship hull. If you want to gank a JF, you'd better pony up 5-7b to match what they gambled by undocking their ship. You want all the reward without having to take any risk of isk loss whatsoever.
Carebears gonna carebear.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:06:21 -
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Gorion Wassenar wrote:Jin Kugu wrote: If CCP fozzie wants to see the real numbers for freighter ganking maybe he should have asked.
Are you high? He has the raw numbers straight from the server.
Do you really think ccp has the tools to determine how much isk a group is making? |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2918
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:07:06 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding. So you say. I disagree. I guess the two shall never meet, but fortunately New Eden is big enough to cater for different playstyles. You are removing my playstyle. stop being a drama queen, how much profit does miniluv make from hisec ganking? having to bring a few more catas is 'removing your playstyle' ? LMAO!! can i has ur stuff? Miniluv makes 0 profit. Any loot we get goes back into ganking. We have a lot of months where we run a deficit. That means after thousands and thousands of hours of playing this terrible game we made negative isk. Before facturing in the cost of gankers having to plex their accounts. If CCP fozzie wants to see the real numbers for freighter ganking maybe he should have asked. That is profit. And are you seriously going to try and pull PLEX as an up front cost? I don't doubt you run defecits at times, bad rolls of the dice and a few internal thefts don't help. Are you trying to say miniluv is a charitabe operation (aside from free love)? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17334
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:07:13 -
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Aiwha wrote:Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:A rifter can solo a JF given enough time. GǪin the parts of space where ISK tanking has been properly shot in the face. But since we're talking about ganking in highsec, and about the mindblowingly idiotic notion that the cost of the ship lost should in some way be on part with what's needed to kill it in that part of space, no. They really can't. That's ********. You're ********. The entire point of CONCORD is to make killing random ships in highsec risky. If you want to blap a freighter, you'd better be willing to match the 1.2b that the owner put into their ship hull. If you want to gank a JF, you'd better pony up 5-7b to match what they gambled by undocking their ship. You want all the reward without having to take any risk of isk loss whatsoever. Carebears gonna carebear.
Isk tanking is the shittiest of ideas. |
Jin Kugu
Scanners Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:07:59 -
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Aiwha wrote:Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:A rifter can solo a JF given enough time. GǪin the parts of space where ISK tanking has been properly shot in the face. But since we're talking about ganking in highsec, and about the mindblowingly idiotic notion that the cost of the ship lost should in some way be on part with what's needed to kill it in that part of space, no. They really can't. That's ********. You're ********. The entire point of CONCORD is to make killing random ships in highsec risky. If you want to blap a freighter, you'd better be willing to match the 1.2b that the owner put into their ship hull. If you want to gank a JF, you'd better pony up 5-7b to match what they gambled by undocking their ship. You want all the reward without having to take any risk of isk loss whatsoever. Carebears gonna carebear.
:stonk:
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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
337
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:08:32 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Without risk there is no excitement, no danger, and no point to EVE. This is yet another step towards removing risk from highsec, and turning EVE into a generic risk-free MMO with designated PvE and PvP zones. We're on a slippery slope here, and it won't take much more to reach the bottom.
I will not support a change that leads to EVE becoming compartmentalised, and ultimately boring.
Assuming your also telling the Goons & co to disband blue donut and remove cynos from their ratting carriers.....
all the nullbears crying here cause there risk free gank ops are getting nerfed are some of the most risk adverse players in the game... jump my scanner in from a wormhole.... watch 20+ people in local run for station....
"... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á | zoonr-Korsairs |-á QFT !
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17334
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:08:40 -
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Rowells wrote: That is profit. And are you seriously going to try and pull PLEX as an up front cost? I don't doubt you run defecits at times, bad rolls of the dice and a few internal thefts don't help. Are you trying to say miniluv is a charitabe operation (aside from free love)?
It breaks even, with this change it will be operating at a loss. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17334
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:10:21 -
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helana Tsero wrote:
Assuming your also telling the Goons & co to disband blue donut and remove cynos from their ratting carriers.....
all the nullbears crying here cause there risk free gank ops are getting nerfed are some of the most risk adverse players in the game... jump my scanner in from a wormhole.... watch 20+ people in local run for station....
And there is the ganking is risk free bullshit again. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
931
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:10:32 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aiwha wrote:Tippia wrote:Aiwha wrote:A rifter can solo a JF given enough time. GǪin the parts of space where ISK tanking has been properly shot in the face. But since we're talking about ganking in highsec, and about the mindblowingly idiotic notion that the cost of the ship lost should in some way be on part with what's needed to kill it in that part of space, no. They really can't. That's ********. You're ********. The entire point of CONCORD is to make killing random ships in highsec risky. If you want to blap a freighter, you'd better be willing to match the 1.2b that the owner put into their ship hull. If you want to gank a JF, you'd better pony up 5-7b to match what they gambled by undocking their ship. You want all the reward without having to take any risk of isk loss whatsoever. Carebears gonna carebear. Isk tanking is the shittiest of ideas.
Whatever you say luckbear.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
309
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Posted - 2016.02.12 01:13:24 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Gorion Wassenar wrote:Jin Kugu wrote: If CCP fozzie wants to see the real numbers for freighter ganking maybe he should have asked.
Are you high? He has the raw numbers straight from the server. Do you really think ccp has the tools to determine how much isk a group is making? If they want to? Are you seriously asking this question?? |
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