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Adam Lyon
Incident Command Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2016.02.11 22:18:37 -
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IGÇÖd like to begin by saying that I am fully behind tiericide and almost every change that has been made in its name is a positive overall for the game from my perspective.
Scrams and webs, however, are not being changed in a fair way at the very least to small ship PvP. A set of meta3 tackle currently costs 500-600kiskGÇöa modest cost. To still fit a scram and a web on the vast majority of the fits I have saved either ingame or EFT requires me to use somewhere in the neighborhood of 7misk on a now GÇÿcompactGÇÖ set. Also consider that this compact set is woefully inferior to the old meta3 set of tackle in the way of 3% web strength and more than 1km cold scram range.
This also makes the only reasonable option for scram kiting (scoped) far more difficult in that the loss of 750m cold range doesnGÇÖt make for an easy fight compared to how it is now.
I suggest that this tiericide (like all others that came before it) be centered around the current meta rather than arbitrarily raising fitting costs. When ABs were fixed, their fitting remained consistent across the board with a few minor adjustments. A 10mn didnGÇÖt magically require 5 more powergrid after the patch than it did before which is the case with these new scram and web CPU numbers. I see no reason the obvious meta choice shouldnGÇÖt still be 21 cpu for GÇÿenduringGÇÖ webs and 27 for GÇÿenduringGÇÖ scrams. I would be ecstatic with the change if instead of forcing frigates into fitting compact modules to use classic fits, compact fittings gave frig and dessie pilots new options concerning their strategies.
Another possible strategy would be to buff frigs and dessies to an extent but this opens the door to lots of silly or otherwise outrageous fits.
Unless this change comes with a massive increase in drop rates, general small ship fittings are going to get far weaker or far more expensive (while still being weaker).
P.S. My dram fitting doesnGÇÖt work anymore because of the IFFA DC change. RIP.
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Barrett Fruitcake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.11 22:26:39 -
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Maybe if you post in feedback thread a Dev will take a look.
Or do you think you're just special and want to show off your smarts... |
Adam Lyon
Incident Command Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2016.02.11 22:31:58 -
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Barrett Fruitcake wrote:Maybe if you post in feedback thread a Dev will take a look.
Or do you think you're just special and want to show off your smarts...
Yes, I'm conceited and would like to waste your time.
Real reason being that I did post there but rather than pointing to a threadnaught (or soon to be threadnaught) in my reddit post (where I expect to get actual feedback from players rather than mindless flame), I wanted to point to an actual Eve-O thread and this seemed the best subforum for that purpose. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.02.11 22:39:56 -
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Adam Lyon wrote:Barrett Fruitcake wrote:Maybe if you post in feedback thread a Dev will take a look.
Or do you think you're just special and want to show off your smarts... Yes, I'm conceited and would like to waste your time. Real reason being that I did post there but rather than pointing to a threadnaught (or soon to be threadnaught) in my reddit post (where I expect to get actual feedback from players rather than mindless flame), I wanted to point to an actual Eve-O thread and this seemed the best subforum for that purpose. you could have just said yes |
Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:40:30 -
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Adam Lyon wrote:... in my reddit post (where I expect to get actual feedback from players rather than mindless flame), Yep, you are certainly getting excellent feedback in your Reddit thread:
PlanetaryGenocide: mfw he thinks stuff will cost the same after a tiericide pass OP pls try to at least think a little bit before you ******* post
Grookskank: You would have a better point if you'd cut out the very arbitraty cost things. Yes, you want to T2 versions of your ships and fitting will get harder. | Agier9: a better point
Podoloco: ...Now you have to either make compromises in stats or in fitting requirements. This is, imho, much better than it was before....
spannr: I'll ignore the stuff about price since you obviously haven't paid attention to previous rounds of module tiericide. ...
Regarding fitting costs, CCP are not stupid. This is a deliberate decision to make meta less effective than T2, and in most cases, to do so by nerfing the average effectiveness of meta options rather than increasing the power of the category overall. Adjust your fit to make room for T2 or put up with the lower effectiveness.
Plugawry_Zedznik: [Scrams and webs, however, are not being changed in a fair way at the very least to small ship PvP.]
GOOD
Seems like the Reddit feedback is spot on so far.
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Adam Lyon
Incident Command Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:46:16 -
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Top Guac wrote:Adam Lyon wrote:... in my reddit post (where I expect to get actual feedback from players rather than mindless flame), Yep, you are certainly getting excellent feedback in your Reddit thread: PlanetaryGenocide: mfw he thinks stuff will cost the same after a tiericide pass OP pls try to at least think a little bit before you ******* post Grookskank: You would have a better point if you'd cut out the very arbitraty cost things. Yes, you want to T2 versions of your ships and fitting will get harder. | Agier9: a better point Podoloco: ...Now you have to either make compromises in stats or in fitting requirements. This is, imho, much better than it was before.... spannr: I'll ignore the stuff about price since you obviously haven't paid attention to previous rounds of module tiericide. ... Regarding fitting costs, CCP are not stupid. This is a deliberate decision to make meta less effective than T2, and in most cases, to do so by nerfing the average effectiveness of meta options rather than increasing the power of the category overall. Adjust your fit to make room for T2 or put up with the lower effectiveness. Plugawry_Zedznik: [Scrams and webs, however, are not being changed in a fair way at the very least to small ship PvP.] GOOD Seems like the Reddit feedback is spot on so far.
I tried, coach. We can't all be winners.
EDIT: at least I got some positive feedback eh? |
Barrett Fruitcake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:17:06 -
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Adam Lyon wrote:
I tried, coach. We can't all be winners.
EDIT: at least I got some positive feedback eh?
Moved things in a positive direction and probably saved some Dev's time. Though, the same things could have been learned in a thread designed for such feedback. Keeps things all nicely organized and less strewn about.
Just saying....
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:22:23 -
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i too like to bottle my feelings about things and then shout them at entirely unrelated people with no power to change the circumstances that caused them.
kinda like whan im angry at my ex and instead of talking it through with her ill get drunk and shout at the little sports men in my television.
seriously mate, post this in the feedback thread like everyone els
Better the Devil you know.
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