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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.12 07:16:40 -
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During my short time Anti-ganking I have been using sniper Ships , to pick gankers off, fast locking frig to pull Ships out of fleets and scout, this time I made myself a Blackbird
So my 1st evening of ew had mixed results
First the part I had fun with, a freighter in Uedama bumped off gate, very large number of Anti-gankers of all types there to help, code undocked but hit a secondary target, too many of us put them off I suppose.
Now the wait for the timer but the freighter protection fleet numbers had start to drop, gank number going up they undock and hit our freighter Not sure on numbers but it was large, they sure wanted this ship, I had used race jamers for the cata so they should have been my target but the fleet had a large number of amarr bombers in its make up, loyalonan was one of the 1st to land but I had the wrong jammers for her ship, I crossed my fingers and went for it
It worked, one bomber not adding it's dps, I them locked up 3 catas to jam next cycle, not sure how many of these I locked down but thing started to get hot, the AG Blackbird I was close to went pop then I was locked by about 3 gankers, I locked one back and got a jam in (by this time the freighter was dead I think) lucky for me my ship was armor tanked, Shields went down fast but armor held, I started to lose locks as the gank fleet was destroyed, then it was the dance of the haulers trying to loot the wreckages, small Ships running around looting what ever, it's strange to watch then at the end the salvagers turn up, come along sometime and see for yourself, think we need David Attenborough here to do a documentary on ship hunting hehe.
So what did I do wrong and right, well with the number they had the freighter was lost, I looked at the kill board to work out if jamming the bomber worked, loyalonan was right at the lower end of the kb with the T1 cata's, so yes it cut damage down.
I know a black bird will always be at risk in pvp more than most Ships but as myself and the black bird I was close to got targeted before the gankers got their kill, it shows we was a worry and need to be stopped, or maybe loyalonan had a hissy fit as she could not fire and told the fleet to kill us
Anyway a fun evening, I think more skills are needed and a lot more practice
One thing, why do gank members kill each other after their target is down, two of the cata's I had jammed ended up being killed by code, is it just kb padding |
Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
277
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:00:39 -
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It is common while running in PvP fleets of some corporations or alliances.. If you know you are outnumbered and are going to die, you lock up your buddy and fire a volley or two just to get on the killboard. Your buddy will do the same to you.
Being on the other side as a ganker for a while, I learned all I know from loyalnon. He knows that you will win some and you will lose some. The AG people put more credit into saving a freighter than they should get.
And as for where they killed a different freighter than the one you are protecting...that more than likely was planned and your presence had nothing to do with it. Realize, they watch all of the gates and they could have two or more freighters bumped and depending on what is inside, loyalnon is determining who he wants to hit first. I only ganked a couple of times and got almost 24b in kills doing so.
It really was fun.
Just something about me...
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3199
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:05:12 -
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I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ?
No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags.
Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM.
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:28:40 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ?
Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord.
No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags.
Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM.
Or both char attack the bumper , what is concords response 3 Ships per attacker, think I read that some where |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3201
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Posted - 2016.02.12 10:02:39 -
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Ozzie Udan wrote:Or both char attack the bumper , what is concords response 3 Ships per attacker, think I read that some where Yeh, but then the bumper gets a kill right on you. If you do it my way, you have one on yourself. So no big deal And if its numbers, then just have a few guys doing it. It should not be easy or ganking would become boring and AG OP, but if you work hard for it, you should be able to counter it.
Ganking and AG should both be hard work .... result, profit or victory !
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3201
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:07:57 -
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One of my intel suppliers in Archetype told me that MrB99 from Astral Mining and known for his anti ganking operations, hired Archetype (know to be 1 of only 2 alliances blue to CODE).
Anyone care to explain why ?
The intel could be fake of course, but I dont think so, as we pay more then enough to keep them happy.
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2016.02.12 12:29:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:One of my intel suppliers in Archetype told me that MrB99 from Astral Mining and known for his anti ganking operations, hired Archetype (know to be 1 of only 2 alliances blue to CODE). Anyone care to explain why ? The intel could be fake of course, but I dont think so, as we pay more then enough to keep them happy.
GÇ£Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.GÇ¥
scott
fitting i believe
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Niris Atavuli
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.02.12 13:18:23 -
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I have been reading your post and was wondering if code. take any action against you,
I hear stories of war dec'ing people who stand up to them and if they can ridicule some in the process all the better
Not my way to play Eve, keep up the good work and look forward to reading more |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2205
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Posted - 2016.02.12 14:49:29 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ?
Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord.
No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags.
Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. What a great idea Tora. You earned your place up there with the great anti-ganker leaders, like DrisonBenningthon and JTClone Ares. Maybe they let you use their highsec jumpbridge network if you ask nicely.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3202
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Posted - 2016.02.12 18:56:56 -
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You should know me well enough by now to know I'm on the side of good fun Eve content..... so both sides. Remove ganking or Anti-ganking and Eve will be boring as hell.
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
455
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Posted - 2016.02.12 20:09:00 -
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OP, are you the same person as Spacepeanut Udan? If so, why haven't you answered my reply to your earlier plea for help?
No lying now.... you AG types are honorable and stuff.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2016.02.12 21:22:46 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:OP, are you the same person as Spacepeanut Udan? If so, why haven't you answered my reply to your earlier plea for help?
No lying now.... you AG types are honorable and stuff.
Sorry no, Spacepeanut is unknown to me, did you mail me for help or him |
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2016.02.12 21:28:20 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ?
Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord.
No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags.
Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. What a great idea Tora. You earned your place up there with the great anti-ganker leaders, like DrisonBenningthon and JTClone Ares. Maybe they let you use their highsec jumpbridge network if you ask nicely.
Our high sec jumpbridge network is for AG use only sorry, |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
new order logistics CODE.
373
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Posted - 2016.02.12 21:29:39 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ?
Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord.
No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags.
Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM.
Sounds like a funny little plan to screw with gankers, but CCP tanking takes less effort with higher efficiency. |
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2016.02.12 21:48:38 -
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Niris Atavuli wrote:I have been reading your post and was wondering if code. take any action against you,
I hear stories of war dec'ing people who stand up to them and if they can ridicule some in the process all the better
Not my way to play Eve, keep up the good work and look forward to reading more
Good question, at first it was belittle ever thing I did, then strange alts would try to find out my main, they would even talk to me in local, now the chat has stopped, they don't comment on my post that often now, I take this as a good sign
My AG work is effective, I have got people involved and doing stuff and things will change, both sides have spies but so what, you keep your main safe and do stuff or don't that's it really
One thing I must say, remember what these people are capable of, they have had so many permanent ban player, say a lot don't you think. |
John E Normus
new order logistics CODE.
727
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Posted - 2016.02.12 22:03:10 -
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It doesn't work Tora.
1) They have to dedicate a character to do it. And we take very careful note of the characters who do it since recycling that kind of character, once they become criminals, is "not cool." 2) We might lose a few gankers to CONCORD right away but the bulk of the fleet will carry on as normal.
To answer the other question. If you stay away from the ball of catalysts that land on the freighter we don't really care what you are doing. 10km is a good minimum safe distance.
Ozzie is a fanboi now. He's passed the newbro hazing and hasn't done anything effective to warrant corrective action. I mean we still sit him at the kid's table in Uedama but he's practically family.
nomad Oz
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3560
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:06:39 -
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Good on you for experimenting and asking for advice. That's what emergent gameplay is all about. I've no specific advice for you, just encouragement to keep pushing the envelope so that CODE. will do the same thing. Conflict fuels innovation.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3204
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:37:12 -
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Like I said, I'm no expert here. Just saying that if you want to win, you should put effort in it first.. Nothing is free.
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
724
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:44:51 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Good on you for experimenting and asking for advice. That's what emergent gameplay is all about. I've no specific advice for you, just encouragement to keep pushing the envelope so that CODE. will do the same thing. Conflict fuels innovation.
this
thanks for sharing
@JerryTPepridge
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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2016.02.13 06:26:25 -
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John E Normus wrote:It doesn't work Tora. 1) They have to dedicate a character to do it. And we take very careful note of the characters who do it since recycling that kind of character, once they become criminals, is "not cool." 2) We might lose a few gankers to CONCORD right away but the bulk of the fleet will carry on as normal. To answer the other question. If you stay away from the ball of catalysts that land on the freighter we don't really care what you are doing. 10km is a good minimum safe distance. Ozzie is a fanboi now. He's passed the newbro hazing and hasn't done anything effective to warrant corrective action. I mean we still sit him at the kid's table in Uedama but he's practically family. nomad Oz
Thinking about it I like this plan, please make an alt in Uedama ready to attack bumpers, if all we do is call concord so be it, and once we are all - 10 we fly as code fly, one day we might even kill a bumper our selfs
Might make a Corp for this, any names come to mind let me know
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Jade Vemane
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.02.13 06:38:11 -
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Ozzie's suicide squad or OSS
Tora did start the chat about it, what about TOSS
BTW I'm an alt sign me up, this might be interesting |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3208
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Posted - 2016.02.13 10:16:35 -
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OMG, we created a monster
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
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Avi Shekelstien
new order logistics CODE.
98
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Posted - 2016.02.13 19:51:48 -
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Ozzie Udan wrote:John E Normus wrote:It doesn't work Tora. 1) They have to dedicate a character to do it. And we take very careful note of the characters who do it since recycling that kind of character, once they become criminals, is "not cool." 2) We might lose a few gankers to CONCORD right away but the bulk of the fleet will carry on as normal. To answer the other question. If you stay away from the ball of catalysts that land on the freighter we don't really care what you are doing. 10km is a good minimum safe distance. Ozzie is a fanboi now. He's passed the newbro hazing and hasn't done anything effective to warrant corrective action. I mean we still sit him at the kid's table in Uedama but he's practically family. nomad Oz Thinking about it I like this plan, please make an alt in Uedama ready to attack bumpers, if all we do is call concord so be it, and once we are all - 10 we fly as code fly, one day we might even kill a bumper our selfs Might make a Corp for this, any names come to mind let me know Good idea! Gank and pod a few bumpers and see if you can live at -10 like we do. |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
462
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Posted - 2016.02.14 05:42:43 -
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What you CODE hoes doin here?
Your Pimp James catches yo here an not on the streets selling, he be beating yo assss, he OWNES you!!!!!!!
Now go make da MAN rich bittch
Don't you be complainin yo get nuttin but aides n a sore but, yo part of HIS possie girl................
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
283
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Posted - 2016.02.14 10:40:22 -
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...and this is the reason why Nancy Reagan said "No to drugs."
Just something about me...
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1309
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:07:39 -
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Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are.
You know you can do it...
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3210
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:45:54 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are.
You know you can do it... I would like to start by calling your forum replies fail. Proof to me you have brains.
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
464
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:59:29 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:...and this is the reason why Nancy Reagan said "No to drugs."
Nancy was a hoe n Ronald was a poof.
Jane Wyman divorced Ronald Reagan in 1947 because of his homosexuality. Reagan had an affair with Randolph Scott in 1939. Reagan only got it up for a woman in a raping situation. Ronald Reagan raped a woman name Selene Walters in 1952 (See interview with Selene Walters in April 29, 1991, issue of People Magazine). Nancy Reagan was a whore in Hollywood during the 1940's and known for her oral sex skills (Read the book by Kitty Kelly on Nancy Reagan). In 1947, actors Robert Walker and Peter Lawford pulled a gang bang on Nancy Reagan, then Nancy Davis, in the back seat of a car (Read the book, "The Peter Lawford Story" by Christine Lawford.
The first Lady in the USA is no bench mark of propriety. Nor is the Pres.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1309
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Posted - 2016.02.14 13:54:44 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are.
You know you can do it... I would like to start by calling your forum replies fail. Proof to me you have brains.
Tora,
You talked about how easy it is to gank bumpers, so lets see you match your words with effort, Yes I am fail, but are you?
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
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Mobadder Thworst
Wiking Brigade
852
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:00:16 -
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I've never tried an anti-gank, but here is what I was thinking.
You can fit 3 large smart bombs on a maller (if I remember correctly). I think that's a 10k range which should be sufficient.
If you dueled a freighter you were escorting, you could try to hug it on the trip. Likelihood of getting yourself concorded if you activate I s high... But a ball of catalysis wouldn't enjoy smart bombs and you wouldn't start pulsing until the freighter is in trouble.
I'm just spitballing here, would this work? Range-wise, would it make more sense to use mediums?
I bet it would be a fun read no matter how it played out. |
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