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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:32:40 -
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Big Lynx wrote: Tell that the new instant gratification generation. Its like describing a rainbow to a blind man
They'll learn eventually (in game and out). They won't like it, but they'll learn.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:35:12 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Scott Dracov wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:....
So that means that a typical blob vs blob scenario goes something like this then: "Target that hurricane...no wait, he has maxed out all BC skills and medium projectiles and whatnot else, go for that other hurricane...he is a newbie scrub!".... On a personal level after spending a long time maxing out armor comps to 5 and waiting that time then being in a trial by fire and watching your ship take the full brunt of the enemies fleet being within a hair of exploding into hull... and then being saved at the last second by guardian reps and saying to yourself thank god I spent that time on those skills or I would be in a pod and then in a new pod... and now realizing that no one else has to wait like you did its all available right now if you pay for it. and the price you paid in time investment. the choices you made with your meager skill points for what you wanted to do... does not matter now as its all available... right now. that cheapens the whole experience in ways beyond description to the point of futility. To be honest, I could care less what others do. I have no real intention of using skill injectors on such a grand scale or if at all. It wont affect my gameplay whatsoever. And I am not so petty as to think about what other suddenly can or cannot do where the means doesn't change the end result. Couldn't. Couldn't care less. If you have no interest, then you couldn't - not could - care less.
I was watching one of the GOP debates the other day and even these supposed well read and educated bastions of conservatism were saying it wrong.
What has happened to the first world that so many people get so many common phrases so wrong?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:38:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Big Lynx wrote: Tell that the new instant gratification generation. Its like describing a rainbow to a blind man
They'll learn eventually (in game and out). They won't like it, but they'll learn.
That sounds more like a threat. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13668
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:41:26 -
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Avvy wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Big Lynx wrote: Tell that the new instant gratification generation. Its like describing a rainbow to a blind man
They'll learn eventually (in game and out). They won't like it, but they'll learn. That sounds more like a threat.
It's a prediction that all of these people that don't understand why patience is a virtue (and seeking instant gratification leads to bad outcomes) will understand when they are older, because life (not me) will teach them. That's real life, and that's what I taught my children.
EVE is a lot like that too.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:47:43 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Avvy wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Big Lynx wrote: Tell that the new instant gratification generation. Its like describing a rainbow to a blind man
They'll learn eventually (in game and out). They won't like it, but they'll learn. That sounds more like a threat. It's a prediction that all of these people that don't understand why patience is a virtue (and seeking instant gratification leads to bad outcomes) will understand when they are older, because life (not me) will teach them. That's real life, and that's what I taught my children. EVE is a lot like that too.
I doubt life will teach me anything new.
But at the end of the day it's CCP that makes the decisions. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2610
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:48:54 -
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Scott Dracov wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:....
So that means that a typical blob vs blob scenario goes something like this then: "Target that hurricane...no wait, he has maxed out all BC skills and medium projectiles and whatnot else, go for that other hurricane...he is a newbie scrub!".... On a personal level after spending a long time maxing out armor comps to 5 and waiting that time then being in a trial by fire and watching your ship take the full brunt of the enemies fleet being within a hair of exploding into hull... and then being saved at the last second by guardian reps and saying to yourself thank god I spent that time on those skills or I would be in a pod and then in a new pod... and now realizing that no one else has to wait like you did its all available right now if you pay for it. and the price you paid in time investment. the choices you made with your meager skill points for what you wanted to do... does not matter now as its all available... right now. that cheapens the whole experience in ways beyond description to the point of futility.
Are you implying people could not buy a character with maxed out armor skill to get around the time investment needed? |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13668
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:52:25 -
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Avvy wrote:
I doubt life will teach me anything new.
This is the least surprising statement I've ever read on this forum. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:58:21 -
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Avvy wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Big Lynx wrote: Tell that the new instant gratification generation. Its like describing a rainbow to a blind man
They'll learn eventually (in game and out). They won't like it, but they'll learn. That sounds more like a threat.
If it sounds like a threat to you, then the simple solution is for you to drink less Guinness - or whatever it is.
This is not a signature.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
136
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:02:47 -
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Can I have your beer?
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:11:07 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Can I have your beer?
--Gadget Guinness is not beer. It's the breakfast of champions.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2561
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:14:27 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:What do you base that hypothetical on? Young players are tantrum kiddies and ... Lack of maturity, regardless of ages coupled with demands for immediate self gratification of the support of those designs.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2958
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:15:42 -
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I can hear some CCP accountant or marketer masturbating in the corner.
I'd love to give a congratulatory handshake to this guy, but I'm assuming he's already sold both arms, likely to previous mentioned dev. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1930
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:29:07 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: ...works fine, ... I mean the display, I see only empty graphs, regardless of character. As stated, that's likely because for some reason your API key provided to eveboard isn't working.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7279
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:39:31 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling.
On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft.
If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer?
But imagine if you had a boat ready with the host of concerns about it for crossing an ocean, and somebody gives you a plant ticket.
Would that not take off the pressure and leave your faculties up for other matters, like what you are going to do when you get to the other side?
Now that somebody is maxed out, it does not matter when somebody is maxed out. It's irrelevant, and Eve Online didn't implode. (and the server didn't crash either)
Consider it a good thing.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
33
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Posted - 2016.02.16 20:19:02 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Of course, that one week old character with a shed load of bought skills is actually an experienced pvp pilot who bought and paid for his new character and skill set with cash just for the fun of it.
How does one tell?
You can't, but it doesn't matter. Anyone can get into a destroyer at one week, experienced PvP'er or not, and clobber me. They don't need to buy injectors to do it... which was my point. |
stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
67
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Posted - 2016.02.16 20:20:22 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:What do you base that hypothetical on? Young players are tantrum kiddies and ... Lack of maturity, regardless of ages coupled with demands for immediate self gratification of the support of those designs.
Damn kids, and their sagging pants and their hip-hop and grinding, get off my lawn! *shakes walker* |
Scott Dracov
Isogen 5
179
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Posted - 2016.02.16 20:59:39 -
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circumventing the skill barrier was done in the back room and was easily dismissed as sanctioned cheating much the way concord was bribed to wardec... ccp gets its bribes every time a character is transfered.
Now its in your face and its the new meta. skill goo everything relevant to 5 in your face right now because that is so much more epic then facing the immutable unwavering barrier that is time itself.
oh and bribe CCP with aurum now instead of plex to do it of course because blah blah blah, money, reasons, gameplay, noobs...for the children... fu#!ers.
oh wait...
totally not epic at all anymore on any level especially level 5
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4712
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Posted - 2016.02.16 20:59:54 -
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stg slate wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:What do you base that hypothetical on? Young players are tantrum kiddies and ... Lack of maturity, regardless of ages coupled with demands for immediate self gratification of the support of those designs. Damn kids, and their sagging pants and their hip-hop and grinding, get off my lawn! *shakes walker*
Was going to say, when did Eve turn into Seizure World? You guys really are starting to sound like old farts.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
635
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:01:38 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft.
If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer?
I'd probably opt to not cross an ocean, but if I really had to and could afford it, I'd pick the boat. Well - a ship, just because a "boat" implies that it's not actually capable of crossing an ocean. Through being able to cross an ocean in just a couple of hours people have come to expect you to. Everything needs to be fast, everyone needs to be mobile and available anywhere anytime. It's rather stressful.
I'm not saying that jet planes and mobile phones don't have their merits, but with them comes a lot of bullshit I have to deal with now every day.
If it was still socially acceptable (and possible) to not have a phone, travel by carriage or ship and send letters via horseback courier, I'd certainly prefer that. I don't need everything right now. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4712
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:04:36 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft.
If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer? I'd probably opt to not cross an ocean, but if I really had to and could afford it, I'd pick the boat. Well - a ship, just because a "boat" implies that it's not actually capable of crossing an ocean. Through being able to cross an ocean in just a couple of hours people have come to expect you to. Everything needs to be fast, everyone needs to be mobile and available anywhere anytime. It's rather stressful. I'm not saying that jet planes and mobile phones don't have their merits, but with them comes a lot of bullshit I have to deal with now every day. If it was still socially acceptable (and possible) to not have a phone, travel by carriage or ship and send letters via horseback courier, I'd certainly prefer that. I don't need everything right now.
Too bad you died of cholera.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
136
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:09:52 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft. If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer? But imagine if you had a boat ready with the host of concerns about it for crossing an ocean, and somebody gives you a plant ticket. Would that not take off the pressure and leave your faculties up for other matters, like what you are going to do when you get to the other side? Now that somebody is maxed out, it does not matter when somebody is maxed out. It's irrelevant, and Eve Online didn't implode. (and the server didn't crash either) Consider it a good thing.
Carrying the analogy forward...
While you can choose to slowboat across an ocean, to be competitive, one must choose the quickest route. Your competition will be.
In the not so far future, SP-injected characters will be the expectation.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4713
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:12:35 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft. If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer? But imagine if you had a boat ready with the host of concerns about it for crossing an ocean, and somebody gives you a plant ticket. Would that not take off the pressure and leave your faculties up for other matters, like what you are going to do when you get to the other side? Now that somebody is maxed out, it does not matter when somebody is maxed out. It's irrelevant, and Eve Online didn't implode. (and the server didn't crash either) Consider it a good thing. Carrying the analogy forward... While you can choose to slowboat across an ocean, to be competitive, one must choose the quickest route. Your competition will be. In the not so far future, SP-injected characters will be the expectation. --Gadget
Right nobody uses giant slow moving container ships ever.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
637
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:15:02 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Too bad you died of cholera.
I can live with that.
No - wait ... I can't. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2613
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:15:41 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft. If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer? But imagine if you had a boat ready with the host of concerns about it for crossing an ocean, and somebody gives you a plant ticket. Would that not take off the pressure and leave your faculties up for other matters, like what you are going to do when you get to the other side? Now that somebody is maxed out, it does not matter when somebody is maxed out. It's irrelevant, and Eve Online didn't implode. (and the server didn't crash either) Consider it a good thing. Carrying the analogy forward... While you can choose to slowboat across an ocean, to be competitive, one must choose the quickest route. Your competition will be. In the not so far future, SP-injected characters will be the expectation. --Gadget
You don't have to play with people who expect things from you which you don't want to do. If people start expecting you to boost your SP every time a doctrine change, you can play with other players. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
136
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:16:09 -
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If I were to send a contract via ship to Europe for signature and have it returned, this would take weeks.
With a plane, it takes days,
With e-mail and PDFs... I did it over coffee.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4713
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:17:41 -
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The notion that people MUST use skill injectors to get a maxed out character is just dumb.
I for one will not spend $30,000 doing that. Not unless I get a substantial boost to my income like an order of magnitude boost...and even then...still probably wouldn't. I'd probably rather spend it doing a Pat O'Brien.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
136
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:17:54 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft. If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer? But imagine if you had a boat ready with the host of concerns about it for crossing an ocean, and somebody gives you a plant ticket. Would that not take off the pressure and leave your faculties up for other matters, like what you are going to do when you get to the other side? Now that somebody is maxed out, it does not matter when somebody is maxed out. It's irrelevant, and Eve Online didn't implode. (and the server didn't crash either) Consider it a good thing. Carrying the analogy forward... While you can choose to slowboat across an ocean, to be competitive, one must choose the quickest route. Your competition will be. In the not so far future, SP-injected characters will be the expectation. --Gadget You don't have to play with people who expect things from you which you don't want to do. If people start expecting you to boost your SP every time a doctrine change, you can play with other players.
Other "bad" players?
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4713
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:19:47 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:If I were to send a contract via ship to Europe for signature and have it returned, this would take weeks. With a plane, it takes days, With e-mail and PDFs... I did it over coffee. --Gadget
Wow, right over your head.
Yes, the point is that to be competitive speed is not everything.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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Scott Dracov
Isogen 5
179
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:20:05 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft.
Almost no one wants to emulate in a video game a commercial pilot (RIP FS) who's goal is to never have their name known by anyone (an anonymous accident free career) rather most would want to pretend to be Richard Bong or Erich Hartmann or one of the other Ace of Aces of WW2 in epic air battles that will never be seen again.
To be Lindberg and be the first to cross the ocean by air or fight in historic WW2 aircraft with nothing but guns and propellers not because it is easy but because it is hard and because it was epic and today unattainable much like space flight and combat is unattainable today it is also attractive.
There was a speech by some politician that got shot about things that are chosen to be done because they are hard that is totally irrelevant and does not at all apply to EVE since it is a space game and he was not referring to anything remotely in the same spirit as this.
Not to say anything about EVE SP is hard beyond the wait... which is no longer a barrier. But it felt like a long term goal. stepping stones to the moon you could say.
Of course its just a grey dust covered rock your standing on but it took you 10 years of planning to get there and the dedication of that effort used to be epic. at least I certainly thought it was until now. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:22:12 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft. If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer? But imagine if you had a boat ready with the host of concerns about it for crossing an ocean, and somebody gives you a plant ticket. Would that not take off the pressure and leave your faculties up for other matters, like what you are going to do when you get to the other side? Now that somebody is maxed out, it does not matter when somebody is maxed out. It's irrelevant, and Eve Online didn't implode. (and the server didn't crash either) Consider it a good thing. Carrying the analogy forward... While you can choose to slowboat across an ocean, to be competitive, one must choose the quickest route. Your competition will be. In the not so far future, SP-injected characters will be the expectation. --Gadget
With attributes and attribute implants removed and the training speed increase to at least compensate. That should help new players especially those that can't afford sp injectors.
If there is an sp-injected character expectation then that is the players that are enforcing such a thing.
CCP can give the tools to do things but if the players want to enforce restrictions then the players can't blame CCP.
If you're excluded from a corp. because of sp then find another one, chances are you might not like it there anyway (at least if it was me).
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