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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:26:11 -
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EVE Online is more than just the game client. The community has developed over time fantastic tools and websites which interact with data directly from EVE. This interaction is founded on the XML API and CREST API provided by CCP.
We are now incredible happy to continue our efforts to support third-party developers with the announcement of The EVE Online API challenge: Create a piece of software that primarily focuses on use of the CREST API!
Read all about this challenge in CCP FoxFour's latest dev blog Join the The EVE Online API Challenge
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:34:27 -
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Just briefly before leaving you all to go to work I wanted to give a huge shout out to the people over at Riot who ran a challenge very much like this and inspired us to do the same. They were also kind enough to answer a few questions I had about how their challenge went to help make sure this one here goes well.
The first one: https://developer.riotgames.com/discussion/announcements/show/bX8Z86bm Results: https://developer.riotgames.com/api-challenge/april2015
The second one: https://developer.riotgames.com/discussion/announcements/show/2lxEyIcE Results: https://developer.riotgames.com/api-challenge/august2015
So thanks to them for the idea and support.
CCP FoxFour
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
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Annia Aurel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:44:43 -
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Nice. Tempted to install a development studio. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:49:43 -
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Annia Aurel wrote:Nice. Tempted to install a development studio.
Do it! :D
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:51:45 -
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Holy ****... Nice prizes. Damn short on time but will be great to see what gets produced from this.
Great contest.
/c
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Dierdra Vaal
Interstellar Stargate Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:36:56 -
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Very cool, though short notice. Will see if I can come up with something :P
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:38:30 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:We are now incredible happy to continue Incredible happy is like fake polite smile and thank you for gift you hate?
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Khanadien Karlov
Wu Xi Holdings
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:58:41 -
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Why MIT license? Why not GPL?
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Cristl
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:13:46 -
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Cool, and good to see that there's no bad blood between CCP and Riot. |
Xiaou Bijoun
Fly By Knight Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:16:37 -
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First post ever, but had a question about the rule:
"The work submitted to this contest must be originally made for this contest. No pre-existing work is allowed and will be disqualified."
What is the scope of pre-existing. I started working on a CREST API for my own use a month or so ago (still not finished). I also have an EVE XML API (also incomplete). I understand the requirement is there so people aren't submitting stuff they have worked on for years. Maybe some discussion on this would help. I have not taken the time to read the threads from the riot games contests, maybe there is something in there that clarifies this as well.
Thank you |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:28:10 -
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Xiaou Bijoun wrote:First post ever, but had a question about the rule:
"The work submitted to this contest must be originally made for this contest. No pre-existing work is allowed and will be disqualified."
What is the scope of pre-existing. I started working on a CREST API for my own use a month or so ago (still not finished). I also have an EVE XML API (also incomplete). I understand the requirement is there so people aren't submitting stuff they have worked on for years. Maybe some discussion on this would help. I have not taken the time to read the threads from the riot games contests, maybe there is something in there that clarifies this as well.
Thank you
The use of existing libraries is allowed. The goal of this is to prevent submission of existing applications. So if the code you're using is packaged as a separate library and for things like dogma calculations or accessing the API that is perfectly allowed.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:46:31 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:The use of existing libraries is allowed. The goal of this is to prevent submission of existing applications. So if the code you're using is packaged as a separate library and for things like dogma calculations or accessing the API that is perfectly allowed. Just for complete clarity, what if it's not packaged in a library, i.e. portions of code used elsewhere that hasn't been released as an application but also isn't packaged up as a library? Effectively copy paste code from old, unreleased projects. Is that stuff allowed (not that there would be a good way of checking)?
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2016.02.16 11:50:36 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Just briefly before leaving you all to go to work I wanted to give a huge shout out to the people over at Riot who ran a challenge very much like this and inspired us to do the same. They were also kind enough to answer a few questions I had about how their challenge went to help make sure this one here goes well.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.16 12:04:47 -
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Freelancer117 wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Just briefly before leaving you all to go to work I wanted to give a huge shout out to the people over at Riot who ran a challenge very much like this and inspired us to do the same. They were also kind enough to answer a few questions I had about how their challenge went to help make sure this one here goes well.
Top Grossing PC Games by Revenue, 2015 (mil $) League of LegendsTencent/Riot Games$1,628 source: https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/ Regards, a Freelancer
OK? Sure? What?
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Ace Aideron
Red Falcon Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2016.02.16 12:25:29 -
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I wonder what kind of apps you're hoping for that can be done greenfield in 2.5 weeks by part-time / hobby developers with a thinly documented API.
Is the main idea just to get more potential devs looking at and trying to use the API?
I have a couple of ideas in mind for a Windows Desktop app I'd like to write (more like a 6 month project), but after two or three false starts with the documentation, I gave up. Maybe it's time to have another look.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.16 13:09:48 -
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Ace Aideron wrote:I wonder what kind of apps you're hoping for that can be done greenfield in 2.5 weeks by part-time / hobby developers with a thinly documented API.
Is the main idea just to get more potential devs looking at and trying to use the API?
I have a couple of ideas in mind for a Windows Desktop app I'd like to write (more like a 6 month project), but after two or three false starts with the documentation, I gave up. Maybe it's time to have another look.
The documentation is definitely not the best, but there is lots of work being done on it here: https://eveonline-third-party-documentation.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
The best thing to do thoughis join the #devfleet channel on the Tweetfleet Slack via this link: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/tweetfleet-slack-invites/
There are a lot of CCP and third-party developers who hang out in there and are happy to answer any questions. :)
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.16 13:53:07 -
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Good challenge but I think the time period might be too short. If someone never thought to do a project, it might take them a bit just to get a sense of how third party development works before coding anything.
I've already done my part in using the API/CREST for apps, so I won't be participating (plus I'm really not that good of a programmer and know nothing about website development) but good luck to all that make something. Looking forward to seeing what people make that I never thought of!
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Lutz
Global Isk Network
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:48:28 -
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isn't 3 weeks or so a bit of a very short time to develop it? |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.17 00:31:22 -
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Ace Aideron wrote:I wonder what kind of apps you're hoping for that can be done greenfield in 2.5 weeks by part-time / hobby developers with a thinly documented API.
Hello world.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.17 08:32:40 -
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Lutz wrote:isn't 3 weeks or so a bit of a very short time to develop it?
The goal of the challenge is to encourage people to try something new, step out of their normal comfort zones, maybe think outside the box, and that kind of thing. We are aware of the short time frame which is why we don't expect projects to be the most polished glorious thing in the world. If we set a really long timeline peoples expectations for quality go up. This is also one of the reasons why we excluded existing applications.
2.5 weeks should be more than enough to knock a proof of concept together. Think of it more like a game jam than building a full featured application.
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Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
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Posted - 2016.02.17 11:17:09 -
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Lutz wrote:isn't 3 weeks or so a bit of a very short time to develop it?
Kind of agree on this, it's a bit short. I mean writing a working parser for both the XML and CREST Api isn't something you do within a few minutes, that takes some time (and more time debugging it)...
I've got a working XML/CREST Api library lying around I wrote for another project of mine, now I just need an idea -.- |
Ali 2k
Triton Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2016.02.17 11:21:19 -
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Will Planetary Interaction be available in the CREST API within the timeframe of this challenge? |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4256
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Posted - 2016.02.17 11:23:27 -
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Ali 2k wrote:Will Planetary Interaction be available in the CREST API within the timeframe of this challenge?
No.
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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
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Posted - 2016.02.17 12:17:58 -
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Dear all,
As someone who is not good at coding, I would like to leave an Idea
I would like to have a standalone app that syncs characters between alts. Working with a left and a right bank (like Total Commander) and when you hit SYNC button you get a conflict resolution overview. Then you can decide on a case by case bases to SYNC left or right, or all left to right, or all right to left; This way you could manage your character's contacts between alts very easily.
I don't know if it is possible, but this would be great for Locations and Notes on characters too.
Thx for reading.
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Ali 2k
Triton Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:29:08 -
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Will the SSO/Oath documentation for non-browser apps be updated within the timeframe of this challenge?
http://eveonline-third-party-documentation.readthedocs.org/en/latest/sso/nonbrowserapps/ |
Adria Blue
Digital Fiction Space Hicks
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Posted - 2016.02.19 22:52:28 -
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Would making an API that allows the creation of apps be able to enter? Or does the entry have to be an actual application for a particular purpose? |
Blacksmoke16
Resilience.
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Posted - 2016.02.20 11:45:53 -
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@CCP Foxfour
Has the issues with the CREST Location endpoint been fixed, as discussed in this post?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6274873#post6274873 |
Nlex
Domini Canium
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Posted - 2016.02.20 20:49:02 -
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Tranquillity Blade sounds like a legendary weapon. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:57:50 -
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Khanadien Karlov wrote:Why MIT license? Why not GPL?
Because GPL is a nightmare to use on any project that may have some stuff "linked" that you don't want to release.
Some idiot said that *linking* to something makes it a derivative work (RS in fact). Despite the fact that many lawyers have said that it is stupid, (it would be like Britannica claiming copyright on anything that reference their encyclopedia), no one wants to touch it in this context.
So BSD/MIT licenses are preferred were there is some context where some code will never be released (ie eve or some other websites core code) But still you want to release some of it with modifications.
Seriously our lawyers where very much on the idea of either keep it all open, and they meant *everything* and publish it all, or release nothing (GPL does not require you publish any change if you keep it all to your self.) Go to court and probably win after 20Million and a **** ton of bad PR. Or stick to BSD/MIT code. Even LGPL/classpath exception is a bit of pain.
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Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
484
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:59:27 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:
2.5 weeks should be more than enough to knock a proof of concept together. Think of it more like a game jam than building a full featured application.
Game jams Rock. In fact i may just set aside 2-3 days for this. I have had many little ideas for something like this over the years.
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Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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