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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:21:00 -
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Request the mods repost a locked thread with a GM-viewable-link to this one if they lock/delete it for the EMB link (I think I remember seeing that done elsewhere?). It'd be nice to have something to add in our petitions so the GMs can figure out what we're talking about.
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Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:43:00 -
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I experienced something similar a few days back. For a few hours in Jita, I was setting my megacyte buy order as the highest in the region. For 2-3 hours, I got exactly 0 megacyte, while all my other orders were completely filled. Each time I changed my order, within a matter of only 1-2 seconds, I was outbid by 0.01 isk.
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.07 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Romeq usin' google ;(
nice.... (((
Hm, can you please remove the link? .....
This really saddens me, few guys using this thing and I (and other traders) can go to retirement.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.07 18:13:00 -
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The linked macro does, indeed, have price collars. :( Ofc, that doesn't mean everyone is using them, but still....
Actually, $20 says most people aren't setting them on their buy orders. Betcha you could get a hell of a buy order out of one of these guys.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
Originally by: Romeq usin' google ;(
nice.... (((
Hm, can you please remove the link? .....
This really saddens me, few guys using this thing and I (and other traders) can go to retirement.
Hardly. Any sufficiently-advanced technology is indistinguishable from Paper Pusher*.
MP
*: Or anyone else with no life and the compulsive need to outbid by 0.01 isk. Which includes me, to be fair.
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Benvie
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Posted - 2007.02.07 19:02:00 -
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The linked bot has a price tag of 120 million isk. Paying for bots in isk instead of dollars lends me to believe it is a scam. There may be market bots out there but I seriously doubt there's any you can buy for real. If anyone wants to pony up the 120 million isk to check whether it's a scam though....
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Barbicane
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:11:00 -
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I would never run 3rd party software that communicates over the internet. Even if all communication is done via the Eve client, what's to prevent it from logging your userid+password, then mailing the information in coded form to a recipient in-game?
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.02.07 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Benvie The linked bot has a price tag of 120 million isk. Paying for bots in isk instead of dollars lends me to believe it is a scam. There may be market bots out there but I seriously doubt there's any you can buy for real. If anyone wants to pony up the 120 million isk to check whether it's a scam though....
If it quacks like a duck...
- OP about orders being undercut / bumped regularly, 24/7 (further replies add: at fairly consistent intervals).
Here we have a bot which proposes to do just that. The key clue is that it cannot operate in any other way (i.e. non-regular update intervals) . Furthermore, distribution is apparently limited atm, explaining why it's not all over the markets.
Therefore, If posters were correct in their assessment of the "consistent intervals," then this bot functions according to spec (or a different bot does the same thing).
Time for CCP to watch where the market data sits in memory, as I don't think OCR would work this quickly. (Or maybe so? I haven't kept updated on the field in the last few years.)
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Feintau Nao
Minmatar Astral Drifter
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Posted - 2007.02.08 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane I would never run 3rd party software that communicates over the internet. Even if all communication is done via the Eve client, what's to prevent it from logging your userid+password, then mailing the information in coded form to a recipient in-game?
I think macro traders use alts. After Kali patch you can get a good trading char immediately. So they don't bother about bans and scams :'( Damn... EVE crisis is coming... |
Romeq
Caldari Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.08 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Feintau Nao
Originally by: Barbicane I would never run 3rd party software that communicates over the internet. Even if all communication is done via the Eve client, what's to prevent it from logging your userid+password, then mailing the information in coded form to a recipient in-game?
I think macro traders use alts. After Kali patch you can get a good trading char immediately. So they don't bother about bans and scams :'( Damn... EVE crisis is coming...
yeah. from start u can do 57 orders :( and in few days u can drive industry ship and doin' ur business ;)
OMGGG!! psyfish-)
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.09 01:13:00 -
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Thread cleaned. Please don't post links to macros and other such nefarious applications. If you are receiving isk/macro related emails immediately petition them. The GMs will take action immediately.
The above suspicious activity should also be petitioned, the GM and devs look into such behavior and punish the people involved.
Thanks. ___
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CaptainEO
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:06:00 -
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I imagine a roomful of people in a low-wage country could do basically the same thing as this supposed bot. And given the potential income from trade, I wouldn't be surprised if this is already being done.
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Chips Ahoy
Minmatar GalacTECH Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.02.12 12:45:00 -
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Really guys if you want to see if your being bothered by a bot just take qnty. 1 of whatever your selling and set it at 50% of whatever your selling. Programatically the bot could only set the sell order to compete local to the station your selling at, so if you feel u are being undercut in a region-wide scale, that is impossible (this is assuming they use the export button on the market, no other way I know one can extract the values from the game as the game as no public APIs like other games such as WoW).
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, you do not program. Just try my suggestion, set a few sells in a station you believe the bot operates at a low quantity so as not to incure a huge loss to yourself and see what happens.
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Lee Walker
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Posted - 2007.02.12 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chips Ahoy Programatically the bot could only set the sell order to compete local to the station your selling at, so if you feel u are being undercut in a region-wide scale, that is impossible (this is assuming they use the export button on the market, no other way I know one can extract the values from the game as the game as no public APIs like other games such as WoW).
WoW bots do not operate through public APIs. Seriously man, no game publisher offers public APIs that would allow you to automate any game task.
Programatically there are two ways to go about it. Either you macro the extraction of market data through the Export button, process that data, and then macro price changes, or you use dll injection to just do whatever you want with the EVE client.
While I have no doubt that such high-tech approaches exist, I do agree with a previous poster who stated that there are countries where labor is so cheap that you can employ an army of people who do nothing but refresh the market as quickly as they can click.
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Benvie
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:44:00 -
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I was accused of using a bot a couple days ago because I was checking my sell order on a single item every 10-15 minutes for most of the day. I pretty much sit at my computer all day doing various things with eve running in the background and check orders usually periodically. I guess this is going to be the new thing now. Angry cause someone is outbidding you? Just accuse them of botting, no problem.
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.03.06 00:45:00 -
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In case someone missed, there is thread about one such market bot with a twist.
Hopefully CCP didn't punish the author of that bot program; after all it does not break EULA and servers as a good lesson..
-Lasse
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.03.06 21:35:00 -
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I noticed about a week or two back that there was some extreme trading going on in the implant market. For over a week straight every single time I updated any implant price I was out-priced within a few minutes. It didn't matter if it was 7am EST, 12 PM EST, 5 PM EST, 10 PM EST, 3 AM EST... at all times I was being beaten in prices very quickly. This only happened if I raised my prices by a few isk over the current price. If I raised the price by more than 100k isk it would take quite a bit longer.
This is what leads me to believe it was a bot. As a player would simply update the price knowing they were still making a profit. A bot would possibly be following rules not to update by more than X amount at a time to avoid being scammed... but it would likely spit out an error report so the user would know to check that item personally. That is why I would get out priced eventually, just not nearly as quickly.
This stopped happening within the last week... so perhaps action was taken? I did have some fun raising prices drastically, buy multiple millions, in order to destroy the market. Though I don't know if I killed it enough to force him out, there was still small profits to be made.
In any case it would be very nice if CCP could catch such players and ban them if they are really using a bot. If they truly want to sit in front of their computer 23/7 to make a lot of ISK then thats fine... but only if they are the ones doing everything.
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gazarsgo
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Walker
WoW bots do not operate through public APIs. Seriously man, no game publisher offers public APIs that would allow you to automate any game task.
Go check out the Auctioneer UI mod sometime, heh. Decursive also used public API.
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Quutar
Caldari Auraxian Irregulars The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: gazarsgo
Originally by: Lee Walker
WoW bots do not operate through public APIs. Seriously man, no game publisher offers public APIs that would allow you to automate any game task.
Go check out the Auctioneer UI mod sometime, heh. Decursive also used public API.
As the author of decursive... i can say that it was not a "bot" but allowed bot like activity...
the user was still required to click a button on the keyboard (this could be done with a third party app). Plus it automated a very narrow portion of the game play, it did not do everything.
Now... a third party app, plus the public API combined would be able to make a bot in WoW... but the public API itself could not make a bot.
the hardest part of making a bot is that most interfaces are meant for a thinking discerning human... if you can remake the UI to be very computer friendly, then it is easier to combine the two into a bot.
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Quutar
Caldari Auraxian Irregulars The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: gazarsgo
Originally by: Lee Walker
WoW bots do not operate through public APIs. Seriously man, no game publisher offers public APIs that would allow you to automate any game task.
Go check out the Auctioneer UI mod sometime, heh. Decursive also used public API.
also... aparently in the latest version of WoW they disabled allot of the functions and abilities that decursive used to use to automate things. I have peeked at the UI (my wife still plays) and I have found at least one loop hole where i could re code it... but they are actively trying to avoid player automation, while still allowing for open and creative interface designs.
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Bigoleed
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Posted - 2007.03.07 03:45:00 -
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I've been playing the market with buy/sell orders for quite some time - have never seen anything quite as fishy as this - if you are in Jita however - you might see some hardcore market players.
When you play min/max buy/sell orders you start to play with the ISK farmers - the big ones are not out mining as most would have you think.
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Seriya
Caldari RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.16 08:59:00 -
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I know this is an older thread, but I believe this is still an issue. A few days trading pirate implants in Jita has left me convinced there are bots at work. No matter what time of day or night I set buy orders, they are bested by exactly the same quantities within minutes - 1isk, .12 isk, 22 isk every time, without fail.
I have filed a petition, but I wonder if a change to game mechanics would be the best way to lessen this issue. My first thought was increasing the minimum order change time from 5 minutes to an hour or two, but this would give a huge advantage to bot-traders with multiple accounts, and also I suspect some players enjoy playing the markets fast. I'd be interested to hear if anyone had any more workable ideas though.
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.16 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Robacz on 16/07/2007 09:27:41
Originally by: Seriya I know this is an older thread, but I believe this is still an issue. A few days trading pirate implants in Jita has left me convinced there are bots at work. No matter what time of day or night I set buy orders, they are bested by exactly the same quantities within minutes - 1isk, .12 isk, 22 isk every time, without fail.
I have filed a petition, but I wonder if a change to game mechanics would be the best way to lessen this issue. My first thought was increasing the minimum order change time from 5 minutes to an hour or two, but this would give a huge advantage to bot-traders with multiple accounts, and also I suspect some players enjoy playing the markets fast. I'd be interested to hear if anyone had any more workable ideas though.
I trade on pirate implant market in Jita and I update quite often, cos that is only chance to buy/sell anything there.
However, I am 100% sure these ppl are not bots. I am fighting them for last 1.5 year at least and I tried to mess with them numerous times - they don't act as a bot, they act as humans. Also they do not operate 23/7, there are times when they won't update for hours, you just need to be patient enough to identify these pauses.
You need to realize, that this market is HUGE. It is multi-billion profit market, so I think it is constanly camped by corporations with multiple characters with access to their market orders. It could be sweatshop workers too, but my bet would go to organized trade corps, becouse characters used for these orders don't change for months - sweatshops would get banned sooner or later se chars should be recycled.
It is very though market.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:10:00 -
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In a game where entire fields of resources can be stripped clean in a few hours using multiple accounts and bots, do you seriously think that someone has not applied that same concept to the market?
Anyway, as said before there are easy ways of getting rid of them, just run the price up and destroy the margin on the item until they move away. |
Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria In a game where entire fields of resources can be stripped clean in a few hours using multiple accounts and bots, do you seriously think that someone has not applied that same concept to the market?
Well I have never seen any market macro/bot advert anywhere, while I see loads of mining ones. Then as I said, I tried to catch them but their reactions never were "macroish".
_________ Buying/Selling: Implants & Hardwirings Producing/BPCs: Mining Barges, T2 Components T2 Distribution: 8 regions covered |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.17 16:52:00 -
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This has happened to me before as well. At first I suspected I was up against a shrew trader that just had more time then I did, so I altered my playing times and it kept happening. The response time for my order to get cut was within a minute.
Now after being spammed with a market bot mail, I know that I am not up against a better player, but a damn bot....
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.07.17 17:21:00 -
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Remember, just because you're facing someone who is more dedicated to the game than you it doesn't mean they are a bot.
In counterstrike everyone that was better than you "hacked". That was the mentality. If I had a dollar for every time I was called a hacker in CS I'd have myself a very nice sports car. I was booted off hundreds of servers for hacking. The funniest part is that I didn't even know how to install a hack back then. Later on, after quitting CS and coming back a year later, I actually did learn how to install a bot and I tried it out. Almost nobody accused me of hacking when I actually was. So I turned it off and tried playing regularly again. What do ya know, non stop accusations of hacking.
What's the point of that story? Sometimes a really good player shows more evidence of "bot" behavior than a bot itself actually does. When you're cheating you tend to go out of your way to make it look like you aren't. But when you aren't cheating you have nothing to hide... so you just play as good as you possibly can and you do crazy things that when they work make it seem like yer hacking.
The same goes for macro miners. A corp mate of mine is accused of being a macro miner all the time. She's always working and on the side runs a few characters in a mining operation. She's very good at multitasking and can work on a project for work while she's tabbing between chars and mining. Because she is working she turns off all chat invites/convos/etc and doesn't read local.
She's gotten tons of Mail saying she's a macro-miner and she is being petitioned, etc, etc.
Remember, someone that is better at doing something than you is not always cheating.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.19 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned. Please don't post links to macros and other such nefarious applications. If you are receiving isk/macro related emails immediately petition them. The GMs will take action immediately.
The above suspicious activity should also be petitioned, the GM and devs look into such behavior and punish the people involved.
Thanks.
If that was the case, why did I have to delete 3 exploit petitions regarding isk spammers that were 3 days old? I am done with petitioning them because they are not immediately taken care of...
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.07.19 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai
Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned. Please don't post links to macros and other such nefarious applications. If you are receiving isk/macro related emails immediately petition them. The GMs will take action immediately.
The above suspicious activity should also be petitioned, the GM and devs look into such behavior and punish the people involved.
Thanks.
If that was the case, why did I have to delete 3 exploit petitions regarding isk spammers that were 3 days old? I am done with petitioning them because they are not immediately taken care of...
they are put on the bottom of a very deep pile. Frankly i didnt get any macros banned untill i posted a screenshot in my sig, that led to the removal of 1.0 ice fields. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards
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