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Worthy Angel
R-Isk Positive
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Posted - 2016.02.17 03:49:14 -
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Currently, frigates warp the fastest, capital ships the slowest, with everything else in between. However, for battleships/battlecruisers, this makes fleet combat cumbersome as you warp slower than everything else and can't keep up with the rest of the fleet. In order to help balance this problem, I propose the following:
Increase MAXIMUM warp speed for larger ships, while maintaining lower warp acceleration. Thus, for shorter warp distances, faster ships will still arrive first. However, for larger warp distances, larger ships will be able to accelerate to faster warp speeds before having to slow down, thus helping them keep up with fleets, while not allowing them to bounce all over the place like interceptors.
For instance, new maximum warp speeds would look something like:
Frigates: 5 AU/s Destroyers:5.5 AU/s Cruisers: 7 AU/s BC: 7.5 AU/s BS: 8 AU/s Capitals: ~9 AU/s
Again, the larger ships would accelerate to these higher warp speeds slower, and thus would still be slower over short distances. However, over larger distances (such as jumping gate to gate during a roam), they would better keep up with smaller ships in fleet. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.02.17 04:01:08 -
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ooor
if you have a bigger ship trying to fly with a smaller fleet use one of the warp speed mods
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.02.17 04:39:37 -
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Um... the fleet warps as fast as the slowest ship in the fleet. Either the FC needs to wait for the slow ships to align before hitting fleet warp, or the slow ship needs to be fit to align faster. Overall, the system is working as intended.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1580
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Posted - 2016.02.17 05:02:24 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Um... the fleet warps as fast as the slowest ship in the fleet. Either the FC needs to wait for the slow ships to align before hitting fleet warp, or the slow ship needs to be fit to align faster. Overall, the system is working as intended.
Well to be fair a good fcs will have the ships that need to warp a head do that but yeah a competent one at least knows how to wait
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
653
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Posted - 2016.02.17 19:52:44 -
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What you are proposing is how EVE was before the Rubicon expansion. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2922
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Posted - 2016.02.18 03:46:56 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:What you are proposing is how EVE was before the Rubicon expansion. No, EVE was never like that.
What he is proposing is how real naval ships move. Battleships can get up to over 100 knots, carriers can break 125 knots. Don't believe everything you read in their listed info--I've been on one and the listed top speed is a lie.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2619
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Posted - 2016.02.18 06:06:11 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:What you are proposing is how EVE was before the Rubicon expansion. No, EVE was never like that. What he is proposing is how real naval ships move. Battleships can get up to over 100 knots, carriers can break 125 knots. Don't believe everything you read in their listed info--I've been on one and the listed top speed is a lie.
A battleship going 115 mi/h 185 km/h?
A carrier at 231 km/h?
Yeah right...
Care to back that claim up with anything more tangible than "I was on one at some point"? |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2923
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Posted - 2016.02.18 08:08:20 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:A battleship going 115 mi/h 185 km/h?
A carrier at 231 km/h?
Yeah right...
Care to back that claim up with anything more tangible than "I was on one at some point"? At the speeds they claim the LHD will travel, it would take almost a week minimum to cross the Atlantic Ocean, but we did it in under 2 days. I watched the Norfolk shore fade into the distance one morning well after sunup, and it was just after sundown the next day when I saw the Rock of Gibraltar looming ahead.
That's 4000 miles in a straight line. Simple math says it travels a LOT faster than it's listed for, and boy when I looked off the side, I could sure believe it went that fast. Also I tried counting the time it took floating debris to go from the front to the back of the carrier--not while it was clipping at full speed--but even at a leisurely pace I counted less than 15 seconds. At top speed it probably runs across its own length in well under 10 seconds. Considering it's 844 feet long, 0.16mi, if it went 0.16 mi in 14 seconds (0.233 min), then it was traveling around 0.68 mi/min, or 41 mph. And that's a good lot slower than its TOP speed.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2988
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Posted - 2016.02.18 10:55:45 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
A battleship going 115 mi/h 185 km/h?
A carrier at 231 km/h?
Yeah right...
Care to back that claim up with anything more tangible than "I was on one at some point"?
Rather than quibbling over exact numbers, care to address the actual paradigm involved. That large ships can move strategically while small ships can move tactically. That creates a choice of different types of movement while we currently have the small ships able to do both the best. BC's & BS especially fall in the worst spot because Capitals at least have jump drive options even with Fatigue which can speed them up over short strategic distances significantly. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1847
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Posted - 2016.02.18 13:26:35 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:A battleship going 115 mi/h 185 km/h?
A carrier at 231 km/h?
Yeah right...
Care to back that claim up with anything more tangible than "I was on one at some point"? At the speeds they claim the LHD will travel, it would take almost a week minimum to cross the Atlantic Ocean, but we did it in under 2 days. I watched the Norfolk shore fade into the distance one morning well after sunup, and it was just after sundown the next day when I saw the Rock of Gibraltar looming ahead. That's 4000 miles in a straight line. Simple math says it travels a LOT faster than it's listed for, and boy when I looked off the side, I could sure believe it went that fast. Also I tried counting the time it took floating debris to go from the front to the back of the carrier--not while it was clipping at full speed--but even at a leisurely pace I counted less than 15 seconds. At top speed it probably runs across its own length in well under 10 seconds. Considering it's 844 feet long, 0.16mi, if it went 0.16 mi in 14 seconds (0.233 min), then it was traveling around 0.68 mi/min, or 41 mph. And that's a good lot slower than its TOP speed.
So, if the carrier is going 144 mph and I step out of the tower thingy onto the flight deck thingy would I be stepping into a hurricane force wind? (could you be the guy to open and shut the door) At this point I have a real need to know what your job was on the carrier. I'm currently in fear of the multicolored shirt guys being lost at sea at an incredible rate. If a sailor is blown into catch netting at 144 mph - what's the survival rate?
Could any of you math wizards get some numbers on shaft horse power needed to pull this off? I'd also be interested in some reasonable propeller speeds and diameters, just so I can get my arms around how this engineering feet would be accomplished. If a door is toward the bow of the ship and it's got a 144 mph wind pushing on it, how much force would that be assuming the door is 10 square feet (assuming 5ft high by 2 feet wide for a navy ship type portal - just rounding stuff).
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Morrigan LeSante
Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2016.02.18 15:56:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:A battleship going 115 mi/h 185 km/h?
A carrier at 231 km/h?
Yeah right...
Care to back that claim up with anything more tangible than "I was on one at some point"? At the speeds they claim the LHD will travel, it would take almost a week minimum to cross the Atlantic Ocean, but we did it in under 2 days. I watched the Norfolk shore fade into the distance one morning well after sunup, and it was just after sundown the next day when I saw the Rock of Gibraltar looming ahead. That's 4000 miles in a straight line. Simple math says it travels a LOT faster than it's listed for, and boy when I looked off the side, I could sure believe it went that fast. Also I tried counting the time it took floating debris to go from the front to the back of the carrier--not while it was clipping at full speed--but even at a leisurely pace I counted less than 15 seconds. At top speed it probably runs across its own length in well under 10 seconds. Considering it's 844 feet long, 0.16mi, if it went 0.16 mi in 14 seconds (0.233 min), then it was traveling around 0.68 mi/min, or 41 mph. And that's a good lot slower than its TOP speed. So, if the carrier is going 144 mph and I step out of the tower thingy onto the flight deck thingy would I be stepping into a hurricane force wind? (could you be the guy to open and shut the door) At this point I have a real need to know what your job was on the carrier. I'm currently in fear of the multicolored shirt guys being lost at sea at an incredible rate. If a sailor is blown into catch netting at 144 mph - what's the survival rate? Could any of you math wizards get some numbers on shaft horse power needed to pull this off? I'd also be interested in some reasonable propeller speeds and diameters, just so I can get my arms around how this engineering feet would be accomplished. If a door is toward the bow of the ship and it's got a 144 mph wind pushing on it, how much force would that be assuming the door is 10 square feet (assuming 5ft high by 2 feet wide for a navy ship type portal - just rounding stuff).
Here you go
Add some cleverness and I bet the can shift a good bit faster than many expect. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2620
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Posted - 2016.02.18 16:07:28 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:A battleship going 115 mi/h 185 km/h?
A carrier at 231 km/h?
Yeah right...
Care to back that claim up with anything more tangible than "I was on one at some point"? At the speeds they claim the LHD will travel, it would take almost a week minimum to cross the Atlantic Ocean, but we did it in under 2 days. I watched the Norfolk shore fade into the distance one morning well after sunup, and it was just after sundown the next day when I saw the Rock of Gibraltar looming ahead. That's 4000 miles in a straight line. Simple math says it travels a LOT faster than it's listed for, and boy when I looked off the side, I could sure believe it went that fast. Also I tried counting the time it took floating debris to go from the front to the back of the carrier--not while it was clipping at full speed--but even at a leisurely pace I counted less than 15 seconds. At top speed it probably runs across its own length in well under 10 seconds. Considering it's 844 feet long, 0.16mi, if it went 0.16 mi in 14 seconds (0.233 min), then it was traveling around 0.68 mi/min, or 41 mph. And that's a good lot slower than its TOP speed. So, if the carrier is going 144 mph and I step out of the tower thingy onto the flight deck thingy would I be stepping into a hurricane force wind? (could you be the guy to open and shut the door) At this point I have a real need to know what your job was on the carrier. I'm currently in fear of the multicolored shirt guys being lost at sea at an incredible rate. If a sailor is blown into catch netting at 144 mph - what's the survival rate? Could any of you math wizards get some numbers on shaft horse power needed to pull this off? I'd also be interested in some reasonable propeller speeds and diameters, just so I can get my arms around how this engineering feet would be accomplished. If a door is toward the bow of the ship and it's got a 144 mph wind pushing on it, how much force would that be assuming the door is 10 square feet (assuming 5ft high by 2 feet wide for a navy ship type portal - just rounding stuff). Here you goAdd some cleverness and I bet the can shift a good bit faster than many expect.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2005
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Posted - 2016.02.18 16:13:51 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:A battleship going 115 mi/h 185 km/h?
A carrier at 231 km/h?
Yeah right...
Care to back that claim up with anything more tangible than "I was on one at some point"? At the speeds they claim the LHD will travel, it would take almost a week minimum to cross the Atlantic Ocean, but we did it in under 2 days. I watched the Norfolk shore fade into the distance one morning well after sunup, and it was just after sundown the next day when I saw the Rock of Gibraltar looming ahead. That's 4000 miles in a straight line. Simple math says it travels a LOT faster than it's listed for, and boy when I looked off the side, I could sure believe it went that fast. Also I tried counting the time it took floating debris to go from the front to the back of the carrier--not while it was clipping at full speed--but even at a leisurely pace I counted less than 15 seconds. At top speed it probably runs across its own length in well under 10 seconds. Considering it's 844 feet long, 0.16mi, if it went 0.16 mi in 14 seconds (0.233 min), then it was traveling around 0.68 mi/min, or 41 mph. And that's a good lot slower than its TOP speed. So, if the carrier is going 144 mph and I step out of the tower thingy onto the flight deck thingy would I be stepping into a hurricane force wind? (could you be the guy to open and shut the door) At this point I have a real need to know what your job was on the carrier. I'm currently in fear of the multicolored shirt guys being lost at sea at an incredible rate. If a sailor is blown into catch netting at 144 mph - what's the survival rate? Could any of you math wizards get some numbers on shaft horse power needed to pull this off? I'd also be interested in some reasonable propeller speeds and diameters, just so I can get my arms around how this engineering feet would be accomplished. If a door is toward the bow of the ship and it's got a 144 mph wind pushing on it, how much force would that be assuming the door is 10 square feet (assuming 5ft high by 2 feet wide for a navy ship type portal - just rounding stuff).
IIRC, the whole "classified carrier top speed!" thing is a popular topic in conspiracy nutter circles.
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Cristl
336
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Posted - 2016.02.18 16:22:54 -
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I like the idea of slower acceleration but keeping a reasonable top speed for the big boats actually. Not so much it drastically changes game balance, but enough to speed up gate-to-gate travel somewhat.
And a modern carrier might get a little over 40 knots, definitely under 50. The shafts and screws at that speed would just not be happy. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1848
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Posted - 2016.02.18 19:06:47 -
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Cristl wrote:I like the idea of slower acceleration but keeping a reasonable top speed for the big boats actually. Not so much it drastically changes game balance, but enough to speed up gate-to-gate travel somewhat.
And a modern carrier might get a little over 40 knots, definitely under 50. The shafts and screws at that speed would just not be happy.
But Reaver was actually on one, braving the 144 mph wind timing bits of flotsam passing by. You can't counter first hand reports with things like facts and physics.
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