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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
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Posted - 2016.02.21 18:08:58 -
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I am from the Mandate, so I know very well how oppressive the system is. The Amarr want to use us as their economic engine for their own gain while obliterating out culture. The Republic has consistently had lowering crime rates and improving employment rates with the last published Data from the SCC citing an unemployment rate of less than 9% so go try to sell your sob story about how we can't feed our people to someone else because it isn't that way. Moreover, no matter how well the economies of the Mandate, Kingdom or Empire do they do it with slave labor they would fall apart without us.
Also there is free worship in the Republic, Abel Jarek was not executed as an enemy of the state but, killed by a mob of criminals. The fact is trying to push the Amarrian way in the Republic is dangerous but worshipping who you choose quietly isn't. |
Sinti Vailatti
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
64
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Posted - 2016.02.21 20:40:00 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:As someone who lived under those systems, I can assure you they're quite a bit more oppressive than you claim. While the Tribes certainly still have work to do to improve the lot of its people, like any nation in New Eden, it cares a damn sight more for its people than the Empire ever has. This is not even a matter of opinion, it's an undeniable truth once you've lived and seen the worst of both.
There is no such thing as a 'good' Holder. There's just the honest ones, and the ones that puts on a mask of kindness to hide what they themselves know very well that they are. Traders of human suffering, for profit and power. It'd almost be excusable or understandable if they'd actually believed their own lies, but Holders are too educated and intelligent for that. It's a conscious choice on their part to be such a part of the system, and thus they are all valid targets for retribution.
How horrible that you had to live under that horrible system. I'm from the Amarr system myself and...oh, I think you mean...
I'm fairly certain that I can prove that the Empire has done more for us. And I'm not talking just spiritually. I went to school, a long time ago, in the Republic. And went right back to the Empire after. I couldn't bear to live in a system that didn't give me strength, didn't care if I starved and certainly didn't respect my right to worship as I please. The Empire provides better education, better opportunity (even for slaves) and better spiritual instruction. Traders in human suffering, my taint. What about the people who are "freed" at gunpoint and dragged light years away from their home? What gives someone in the Republic the right to say that my, our lives are worse here? You can't judge the system based on a few bad examples and Republic propaganda.
Slavery is a part of life. These systems are in place everywhere. What's better? A nurturing environment or the illusion of freedom where a "right of self-determination" really means a right to starve?
Amarr is far from perfect. But it's a damn better system. And I prefer to create better systems than destroy everything. You don't burn down your house because a light fixture breaks.
GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
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Sinti Vailatti
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
64
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Posted - 2016.02.21 20:44:53 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:I am from the Mandate, so I know very well how oppressive the system is. The Amarr want to use us as their economic engine for their own gain while obliterating out culture. The Republic has consistently had lowering crime rates and improving employment rates with the last published Data from the SCC citing an unemployment rate of less than 9% so go try to sell your sob story about how we can't feed our people to someone else because it isn't that way. Moreover, no matter how well the economies of the Mandate, Kingdom or Empire do they do it with slave labor they would fall apart without us.
Also there is free worship in the Republic, Abel Jarek was not executed as an enemy of the state but, killed by a mob of criminals. The fact is trying to push the Amarrian way in the Republic is dangerous but worshipping who you choose quietly isn't.
I will agree that the Mandate is the worst place in the Empire. It's a dumping ground for every failed Holder and House. I'm lucky to be a part of the Kingdom.
But I trust the SCC as much as I trust the Mandate. And there's a difference between a job where you're slinging ass or hash and a career where you get to build a life.
I know some people are looking to fix the Mandate. But again, you don't self-destruct the ship, just because you scratched the paint.
GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
90
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Posted - 2016.02.22 00:06:48 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Answering the actual question, if a Sabik is elected into the CSM council I expect him to be limited to working on ships, capsuleer infrastructure improvements, resource management programmes, dealing with the capital-class vessel power creep, capsuleer-specific laws and etc. instead of, you know, pushing for the legalisation of the Sabik faith in Empire sovereign territories.
I agree with your sentiments, except of course on your last point. But the reality for a real Sbik is they would be so skilled in navigating the dual faiths and dual loyalties necessary to keep truth, the unifying belief of purpose guiding the emergence of Savants and destiny for all of New Eden that pushing for a legalisation is pointless. I mean, I imagine this would be so. From what I have read on such topics.
So I could say that if for instance, I were Sabik and elected, it would be in reasonable keeping with the spirit of your expectations. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
90
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Posted - 2016.02.22 00:11:16 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:No. Also, I am now running counter to you. There will be no media campaign or campaign promises. I measly intend to show up randomly throughout your campaign and steal your votes.
You will find your warp stabbed LP farming combat averse friends are actually just there for the ISK. You will find their votes are already accounted for by major null sec voting blocs and you have but the sloppy leftover votes of irrelevancy. But good luck. Perhaps you shall find a voice that resonates. The only true authority is power. Lets see if you have some. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1029
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Posted - 2016.02.22 01:26:51 -
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edeity wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: Answering the actual question, if a Sabik is elected into the CSM council I expect him to be limited to working on ships, capsuleer infrastructure improvements, resource management programmes, dealing with the capital-class vessel power creep, capsuleer-specific laws and etc. instead of, you know, pushing for the legalisation of the Sabik faith in Empire sovereign territories.
I agree with your sentiments, except of course on your last point. But the reality for a real Sbik is they would be so skilled in navigating the dual faiths and dual loyalties necessary to keep truth, the unifying belief of purpose guiding the emergence of Savants and destiny for all of New Eden that pushing for a legalisation is pointless. I mean, I imagine this would be so. From what I have read on such topics. So I could say that if for instance, I were Sabik and elected, it would be in reasonable keeping with the spirit of your expectations.
Though even if a Sabik intends on pushing for a legalisation, the CSM Council is not the place to do so. The CSM council deals primarily on capsuleer matters, far as I know. Any Sabik who is elected into the Council wouldn't be able to push for legalisation anyhow. Being the middleman between CONCORD and us raucous bunch is time-consuming and will-draining enough.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
90
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Posted - 2016.02.22 01:44:02 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Though even if a Sabik intends on pushing for a legalisation, the CSM Council is not the place to do so. The CSM council deals primarily on capsuleer matters, far as I know. Any Sabik who is elected into the Council wouldn't be able to push for legalisation anyhow. Being the middleman between CONCORD and us raucous bunch is time-consuming and will-draining enough.
Your technical accuracy in this instance does not detract from the distaste in my mouth from a presumptuous Gallentean feeling empowered enough to proffer an opinion here.
I weep for the loss of influence of the Amarr empire in this once hallowed nay treasured corner of New Eden. |
Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum
53
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Posted - 2016.02.23 21:16:36 -
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I like this thread. This is a good thread. |
Gosakumori Noh
Hematology Advancement Program Of Questionable Repute
748
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Posted - 2016.02.23 23:44:46 -
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Kalo Askold wrote:I like this thread. This is a good thread.
It asks questions that need to be asked. |
Morgan Wulver
Night Theifs
79
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Posted - 2016.02.25 17:21:10 -
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I suppose, at the very least, I'll finally be able to bring my walnuts with me if I rotate planetside.
Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
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