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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.20 18:29:25 -
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Hi gents, I recently upgraded my L4 mission boat from Gila to Rattlesnake. the Gila was pretty awesome but needed too much micromanagement to my liking so I thought I'll move to rattlesnake and gain more tank, more gank and the ability to cause pain in longer ranges.
So I found some fit on the forums which had some good reviews and of course adjusted it according to skills, market prices etc.
This is it:
Quote: [Rattlesnake, ] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large Micro Jump Drive 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Domination Adaptive Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field Dread Guristas Thermal Dissipation Field Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Federation Navy Hobgoblin x5 Federation Navy Ogre x4 Federation Navy Garde x2
Inferno Heavy Missile x4335
Overall damage wise it's awesome. for spider drones \ frigates the flight of 5 scouts are doing the trick and shred them in seconds. Anything bigger I am using the heavy drones + RHML. The LMJD + Sentry drones are meant for those moments when I take too much damage and need to leg it or when I need some distance closed.
At any rate just tried Damsel L4 (hence the resist profile of the modules) and I actually had to warp out, that fit didn't work well. The rats died pretty fast but my ship took too much damage. It might be the lack of passive shield regen or maybe the uselessness of the Large shield booster.
So I thought maybe to adjust the fit a bit.
Option 1: The cap potion addict replace the LSB with XLSB and replace the TP\LMJD with cap booster + Shiled booster ampilfier. Shouldn't be too expensive on the potions but will take space on cargo hold.
Option 2: Passive shield tanking. Remove the LSB \ LMJD \ TP use 2 LSE and shield recharger and replace rigs for purgers\extenders (need to see which combination makes better passive recharge rate). Downside is slower warp speed which will suck royally.
Option 3: LMJD sniper will require more tinkering and training more heavily into cruise missiles. Will use Cruise launchers instead of RHML \ use sentry drones ofc and call it a day. But I really hate that kind of gameplay, I could have just take a t1 raven hull and save myself lot of money and training instead.
Can you give me pointers what is best in my case? (high sec L4s, full clean of missions, not speed runs). |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.20 19:59:04 -
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Update, I tried now the passive shield path. Indeed 2 AU for warp speed sucks. due to the fact I'm going pure brawler range I ditched the sentry drones and took a gecko instead to test it. also due to the fact I had to gimp my missiles a bit a wanted to try the new low slot MGE module in order to see how it works instead of 2 BCUs.
Here is updated fit (vs drones)
Quote: [Rattlesnake, ] Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay Missile Guidance Enhancer II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Domination Adaptive Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field Dread Guristas Explosive Deflection Field Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender M51 Benefactor Compact Shield Recharger
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5 Gecko x1 Imperial Navy Praetor x4
Inferno Heavy Missile x4360
I got 52 KM on my missiles now, my passive recharge is around 100 \ s (equal to my original fit if I had the LSB running constantly). I still wanted some mobility so I kept the MWD and it can run for almost 3 minutes which is enough.
so, "Attack of the Drones" L4 for testing. tossed MTU mid spawn zone and orbit it in 2500 KM range.
only BS could make me more damage then my recharge per second so once those died nothing could kill me.
The heavy drone with specific damage type worked well and I only needed to use scout ones vs the tiny fast enemy frigates to kill them in 1 or 2 volleys of drone fire. anything dessy size or above my heavy drones shredded.
I must say the gecko is bit meh... it is fast and powerful but it have 3 major disadvantages: 1. price > I could get many faction drones instead of 1 gecko. 2. single drone active > which means let's say I got number of cruisers instead of sending 1 drone per cruiser and missiles on third I need to send 100% drone power on single rat. 3. spread out damage profile > instead of selectable damage type it's all 4 so in total a normal drone have more applied (from what I've seen) damage vs rats then a gecko. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.20 20:27:34 -
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Why tech 1 rigs?
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2016.02.20 20:32:07 -
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Tarojan wrote:Why tech 1 rigs?
I wanted to see if the fit is effective before I commit to T2 price. now that I know they are working I'll change to T2 ones.
also interesting thing... seems with my updated fit my missiles actually can kill spider drones and frigates. not bad.... |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.20 20:48:25 -
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You dont tend to see shield recharger mods used in mid slots. pretty sure a missile guidance comp there would be better and a beta shield power relay replacing the missile enhancer. Thats just tinkering with your fit though. I'd rather focus on getting you some warp speed back on that snake simply for your quailty of life. What implants are you using?
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2016.02.20 20:54:11 -
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Right now using the CA-1\2\3\4 set I got it for free when I started this account + some mix of 3% missiles boosting implants.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
215
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:09:53 -
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Right so no ascendancies for you then until you get a jump clone. Are you sold on being a brawler fit?
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Missile Guidance Enhancer II Damage control II
Large Micro Jump Drive 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Domination Adaptive Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field Dread Guristas Thermal Dissipation Field pith x type X-l shield booster Imperial navy heavy cap booster 800
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:20:14 -
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ah, cap potions path.
first of all I got jump clones without any implants on them. being used when I'm trying to be suicidal.
and regarding the brawler, you see I don't have the sentry drones skill yet and no cruise missiles skills that's leaving me with brawler fit. I can train for it if it's much much better then brawler but I usually stick in the middle of the map orbiting my MTU and letting all the evil rats come at me. also easier to loot after that. Another problem I had with sniping is that I'm pretty bad at aiming with MJD so I will always slow boat with MWD to some place instead of camping on the jump gate \ objective and kill everything in close proximity. Other then that if I go sniper path I think it will be better to use another hull something like Navy Geddon or Navy Potato with guns as main weapon system because sniper snake is bit weird, you sentry drones will insta hit targets but missiles have travel time so it is not synced. which may lead to wasted cycles.
Right now skill wise I'm more into drones \ shields \ missiles so switching hull will require that I'll train for a week +- to get into the proper starting place.
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Overall I'll clarify my point, I'm learning now for MCSE and "Network Admin \ Sys Admin" certs and I don't have time to properly be in corp etc, so I spend my eve time PVE in highsec while learning.
Hence my affection to drones\missiles (no EWAR crap) and rattler awesome afk'able defense. But, If you have recommendation on specific path for L4 mission ship it will be appreciated. At some point I was pondering on getting a Machriel, awesome speed and most sexy looks but my gunnery skills are lacking. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:27:25 -
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Theres nothing wrong with the snake. Its a good hull. You can brawl with it if you want, don't have to sniper it, but it sounds like your skills might be a bit light which might be why your having some problems. I think the key thing you should do is look at how you play and how you enjoy playing then build your mission boat around that.
My boat was a rokh then a megathron, I simply dropped the mtu, then mjded out 100km in a random direction, then slow boated away from the rats shooting at them. At the end of it I warped back to my mtu. It was pretty basic stuff and ideal for a low skilled gunnery pilot. It would work for a low skilled cruise set up as well, but its a waste of a snake I guess.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:32:33 -
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yes, a snake should be either utilize both drones and missiles or one should just use a different hull.
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Actually I'm in an opinion that one should use the most cost effective way for a task set. So you say the sexy space pistol known as Rokh worked well for you using MJD and sniping away? There are some missions (like vs Guristas) when distance is not a factor for defense but still it's sound interesting.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:35:23 -
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Quick bit of google got me this sniper fit:
[Rattlesnake, L4 PvE, Tech II, LMJD, Missile Emphasis] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Ogre II x2 Hobgoblin II x5 Warden II x2 Vespa EC-600 x5
It would work if you wanted to try out the style with your snake. Otherwise I would suggest re focusing your training into shield and cap skills to beef up your brawling tank.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:38:18 -
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Forum Toon wrote:yes, a snake should be either utilize both drones and missiles or one should just use a different hull.
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Actually I'm in an opinion that one should use the most cost effective way for a task set. So you say the sexy space pistol known as Rokh worked well for you using MJD and sniping away? There are some missions (like vs Guristas) when distance is not a factor for defense but still it's sound interesting.
You can't make a rokh do decent sniping dps. Believe me I tried. The megathron is superior to it in everyway. I shield tanked my mega btw as I didn't have armour skills. Ended up having to fit 2 co-procs to make it work and it STILL was better then the rokh. With a proper Arm fit...
I love my rokhs, but I don't fly them any more.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:45:52 -
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hahah that's what I thought. mega does look sweet but I heard that hybrid guns tracking is horrible, can you elaborate if you got into close moments where you had problem hitting target with your mega? |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.20 21:59:24 -
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Never had an issue with the mega. lost gilas v sansha tyrant class battleships, but with the mega I just land on grid/through the gate, drop the mtu click into space and pop the MJD. I used sig amp in the low and could target out to 130km I think. Was something like that. Then just slow boated away. I didn't use a prop mod as I didn't want to out run the rats and lose target lock :P.
I never had a tracking problem nor felt seriously threatened by Rats. Its not the greatest fit but it worked for me and how I played. here it is if your interested.
magnetic field stabilizer II magnetic field stabilizer II magnetic field stabilizer II Tracking enhancer II Signal Amplifer II Co-processor II Co-processor II
Pith C type X-large shield booster Shield boost Amp II Adaptive invul field II Large micro jumpdrive
425 mm Railgun II
Large anti thermal screen reinforcer II Large anti kinetic screen Reinforcer II Large anit Em screen reinforcer II
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.20 22:00:18 -
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Forum Toon wrote:hahah that's what I thought. mega does look sweet but I heard that hybrid guns tracking is horrible, can you elaborate if you got into close moments where you had problem hitting target with your mega?
EDIT: how do you shield tank with 4 mid slots?
Range tank. You only need to run an XL booster until you get out there. The rigs could be swapped out for warp speed and it would prob be fine.
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.02.23 08:01:03 -
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Tarojan wrote:Quick bit of google got me this sniper fit:
[Rattlesnake, L4 PvE, Tech II, LMJD, Missile Emphasis] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Ogre II x2 Hobgoblin II x5 Warden II x2 Vespa EC-600 x5
It would work if you wanted to try out the style with your snake. Otherwise I would suggest re focusing your training into shield and cap skills to beef up your brawling tank.
This is the 'standard' Rattler that breezes through Level 4 missions. Not quite sure why OP is trying to reinvent the wheel when this does the job.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.23 10:09:15 -
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Cos I think he was new and asking for help? He'd done some research himself, gone away and tried his ideas and encountered problems. Tried to solve said problems and then asked for advice? Great positive attitude and something we should all encourage. Hopefully I was a useful sounding board for him to bounce ideas off and hes happily killing npcs as we speak.
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